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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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So your entire reason for posting was to insult me for not believing she wrote this? Care to bet what a textual analysis comparing this piece to her earlier written works would show?

a) Yeah... that's his basic intent

b) It would reveal a METEORIC RISE IN HER COMMEND OF INTERMEDIATE ENGLISH.

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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

We can't play. A certain somebody has a mouth as big as her nose and recognized the editorial as soon as I read the first bit aloud. That's one of the problems with living with a political junkie with a good memory for words.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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They did manage to cripple the legislature enough to get us a downgrade in our Credit Rating... which REALLY is a historic accomplishment!

Bullshit. Youve got two years of Dem refusal to pass a budget to blame for that, even though it was meaningless.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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They did manage to cripple the legislature enough to get us a downgrade in our Credit Rating... which REALLY is a historic accomplishment!

Bullshit. Youve got two years of Dem refusal to pass a budget to blame for that, even though it was meaningless.

This is actually not true. Democratic budgets (or the lack thereof) were not cited anywhere as a reason for S&P's downgrade of our credit rating. Instead, the placed blame on Congress' inability to pass the debt ceiling extension in a timely manner and inability to pass a subsequent spending cuts/revenue hikes. Basically, they downgraded us because Congress' inability to come to a compromise created a tenuous situation.

This is what the S&P had to say about their downgrade. "We lowered our long-term rating on the U.S. because we believe that the prolonged controversy over raising the statutory debt ceiling and the related fiscal policy debate indicate that further near-term progress containing the growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or on reaching an agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and will remain a contentious and fitful process."

Here are two links where you can read about whom the S&P blamed and why.
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/aug/15/democratic-congressional-campaign-committee/democrats-say-republican-rep-bob-gibbs-caused-down/
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/aug/12/kevin-dewine/ohio-gop-chairman-kevin-dewine-blames-democrats-dr/

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: BanthaSamantha

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

They did manage to cripple the legislature enough to get us a downgrade in our Credit Rating... which REALLY is a historic accomplishment!

Bullshit. Youve got two years of Dem refusal to pass a budget to blame for that, even though it was meaningless.

This is actually not true. Democratic budgets (or the lack thereof) were not cited anywhere as a reason for S&P's downgrade of our credit rating. Instead, the placed blame on Congress' inability to pass the debt ceiling extension in a timely manner and inability to pass a subsequent spending cuts/revenue hikes. Basically, they downgraded us because Congress' inability to come to a compromise created a tenuous situation.

This is what the S&P had to say about their downgrade. "We lowered our long-term rating on the U.S. because we believe that the prolonged controversy over raising the statutory debt ceiling and the related fiscal policy debate indicate that further near-term progress containing the growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or on reaching an agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and will remain a contentious and fitful process."
"We lowered our long-term rating on the U.S. because we believe that the prolonged controversy over raising the statutory debt ceiling and the related fiscal policy debate indicate that further near-term progress containing the growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or on reaching an agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and will remain a contentious and fitful process."
Here are two links where you can read about whom the S&P blamed and why.
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/aug/15/democratic-congressional-campaign-committee/democrats-say-republican-rep-bob-gibbs-caused-down/
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/aug/12/kevin-dewine/ohio-gop-chairman-kevin-dewine-blames-democrats-dr/

I represent clients in front of S&P and Moody's at least once a month. The talk of downgrade long preceded the debt ceiling debate. Even your quotes refer to the prior problems in reining in spending. But again, the downgrade was meaningless, and any further downgrades will remain meaningless, as long as the US is a safer haven than EU...and that will be the case in all of our lifetimes.

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They did manage to cripple the legislature enough to get us a downgrade in our Credit Rating... which REALLY is a historic accomplishment!

Bullshit. Youve got two years of Dem refusal to pass a budget to blame for that, even though it was meaningless.

This is actually not true. Democratic budgets (or the lack thereof) were not cited anywhere as a reason for S&P's downgrade of our credit rating. Instead, the placed blame on Congress' inability to pass the debt ceiling extension in a timely manner and inability to pass a subsequent spending cuts/revenue hikes. Basically, they downgraded us because Congress' inability to come to a compromise created a tenuous situation.

This is what the S&P had to say about their downgrade. "We lowered our long-term rating on the U.S. because we believe that the prolonged controversy over raising the statutory debt ceiling and the related fiscal policy debate indicate that further near-term progress containing the growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or on reaching an agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and will remain a contentious and fitful process."
"We lowered our long-term rating on the U.S. because we believe that the prolonged controversy over raising the statutory debt ceiling and the related fiscal policy debate indicate that further near-term progress containing the growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or on reaching an agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and will remain a contentious and fitful process."
Here are two links where you can read about whom the S&P blamed and why.
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/aug/15/democratic-congressional-campaign-committee/democrats-say-republican-rep-bob-gibbs-caused-down/
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/aug/12/kevin-dewine/ohio-gop-chairman-kevin-dewine-blames-democrats-dr/

I represent clients in front of S&P and Moody's at least once a month. The talk of downgrade long preceded the debt ceiling debate. Even your quotes refer to the prior problems in reining in spending. But again, the downgrade was meaningless, and any further downgrades will remain meaningless, as long as the US is a safer haven than EU...and that will be the case in all of our lifetimes.

For one, I'd advise you reread the quote, as you might be missing key points. Just as there is no mention on whether or not the Democrats were able to pass previous budgets, there is no mention of fiscal policy issues outside of those relating to the debt ceiling debate.

"We lowered our long-term rating on the U.S. because we believe that the prolonged controversy over raising the statutory debt ceiling and the related fiscal policy debate indicate that further near-term progress containing the growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or on reaching an agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and will remain a contentious and fitful process."

It is cool that you have super-secret sources in the industry, but you'll pardon me if I assign them (as well as any other super-secret source someone else wants to bring up) absolutely no credibility in this discussion.

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Bullshit. Youve got two years of Dem refusal to pass a budget to blame for that, even though it was meaningless.

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For one, I'd advise you reread the quote, as you might be missing key points. Just as there is no mention on whether or not the Democrats were able to pass previous budgets, there is no mention of fiscal policy issues outside of those relating to the debt ceiling debate.

"We lowered our long-term rating on the U.S. because we believe that the prolonged controversy over raising the statutory debt ceiling and the related fiscal policy debate indicate that further near-term progress containing the growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or on reaching an agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and will remain a contentious and fitful process."

It is cool that you have super-secret sources in the industry, but you'll pardon me if I assign them (as well as any other super-secret source someone else wants to bring up) absolutely no credibility in this discussion.

indicate that further near-term progress containing the growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or on reaching an agreement on raising revenues

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Bullshit. Youve got two years of Dem refusal to pass a budget to blame for that, even though it was meaningless.

That's not what was cited as the trigger. And you know it. S&P specifically pointed to the deadlock of this year caused by that 2010 success you were bragging about earlier. Not such a success when you look at it in respect to how they actually functioned once they were in office. Big deal so they won an election, then they got in and trainwrecked everything.
   Dude, you can sniff all the glue you want, it'll have no effect over the piss poor perfomance of this congress. But hang onto that hand you're holding and play it next November.Who fucking cares it's a losing hand. The fact that you won a temporary gain, did nothing to prevent the subsequent sticker shock the voters have already experienced.

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I suggest you learn the meaning of "remain" then. S&P downgraded its outlook on the US months before the debt ceiling debate as well.

And the credibility you assign is of no consequence to me. Youve shown a rigidity and inability to think beyond what google tells you since you started posting here.

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Save 2.50 and get better coffee at the gas station 3 blocks from my office.

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You see the quote in the lens of your apparent belief that the Republicans attempt to reign in spending is the the problem. 

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I suggest you learn the meaning of "remain" then. S&P downgraded its outlook on the US months before the debt ceiling debate as well.

And the credibility you assign is of no consequence to me. Youve shown a rigidity and inability to think beyond what google tells you since you started posting here.

I know what "remain" means, do you? They are refering to the drama from the debt ceiling debate, and how it would remain a fitful process. In other words, the process will continue to be fitful into the future. As much as you want the term "remain" to somehow reach into the past, it doesn't.

No they werent. They were referring to ongoing problems in the budgeting process that they had been discussing for months before there was a debt ceiling debate.

Regarding my track record here, I really have that much of a reputation? My only meaningful contribution here had to do with the constitutionality of the individual mandate. Are you upset because I failed to let you get away with your tautologies and conclusory assertions? That and I fail to see what Google has to do with any of this. Everyone learns this basic constitutionality stuff in their first year of law school.

If you learned what you posted in law school then I suggest you find a new law school.

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No they werent. They were referring to ongoing problems in the budgeting process that they had been discussing for months before there was a debt ceiling debate.

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You see the quote in the lens of your apparent belief that the Republicans attempt to reign in spending is the the problem.

I have absolutely no idea as to what you're basing this on.

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Which leaves us with likely "death and destruction" between them.  Both sides sniping and standing on fucking "principle" and feeding their own hatreds and reveling in their denunciations of each other while the damn country burns down around them.

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Your argument was that the cause of the downgrade was the Republicans failure to "come to agreement" with the Dems in Congress.

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Your argument was that the cause of the downgrade was the Republicans failure to "come to agreement" with the Dems in Congress.

I did not say that.

You're probably thinking of a different poster.