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RE: ideas for christian humiliation - 11/23/2011 3:55:27 AM

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It is often a common theme.

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RE: ideas for leftist humiliation - 11/23/2011 4:12:06 AM

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Because then you are dragging in people who have not agreed to play your game. Bad form tha
Why? If they are unaware, then how is it wrong?

The minute someone starts asking the sub questions, they will be aware. And then what do you do? Why is it so fucking hard to find a way to play that doesn't involve the public?

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RE: ideas for leftist humiliation - 11/23/2011 4:24:20 AM

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Surveys crossing the line? I don't get that one either.
We are, by the standards being used in this thread, imposing the kinks of the entire board on the unconsenting public. or do you really think that the bulk of the membership didn't get a kick out of the idea of the three of us approaching random guys to ask them their opinion of being buttfucked with a strap on?

I did not realize you were printing the surveys and taking them out for the public to read. I thought they were being read by members of cm. And yes approaching random guys on the street to ask about strap ons would also be crossing the line. Now if you are talking about interacting with people on this site, then that would be different. After all they chose to come here. The people on the street didn't.

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RE: ideas for leftist humiliation - 11/23/2011 5:45:48 AM

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This isn't a reply to you Boi, you were just the last post, just a general question about why the mods allow people to play around changing thread titles?

It's been happening too frequently lately.

And I'm pretty sure I know who it is because he manages to turn every discussion into a rant against leftists.

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RE: ideas for christian humiliation - 11/23/2011 7:04:09 AM

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The minute someone starts asking the sub questions, they will be aware.

How will they know?

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I did not realize you were printing the surveys and taking them out for the public to read.

How could you not? What purpose would there be in calling it a survey if we didn't ask the public, isn't that what makes it a survey?

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I thought they were being read by members of cm.

That would be a poll down in P&RS. And how on earth would that give us a picture of how people off-site feel about things?

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And yes approaching random guys on the street to ask about strap ons would also be crossing the line.

So I assume you feel the same way about all survey takers and petition pushers?

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RE: ideas for leftist humiliation - 11/23/2011 8:20:54 AM

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Why is it so fucking hard to find a way to play that doesn't involve the public?

So you don't go around in public as a boi?

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RE: ideas for leftist humiliation - 11/23/2011 8:43:06 AM

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RE: ideas for christian humiliation - 11/23/2011 9:09:17 AM

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However, everyone has said the same thing for what? Sixteen pages now? Explaining and re-explaining to the argumentative. Because all agreed that while we may not agree with it, it was the involvement of others that was distasteful and improper.

I didn't agree either. And argumentative depends on which side of the table you are sitting on.

Ditto. I didn't agree, and I have a very different perspective about who has been argumentative in this thread.

That's why I stated earlier in this thread that these discussions (on involving the non-consenting public) never seem to go anywhere. There are some people on here who seem to take it far too personally, and seem to be unable to address the topic objectively.

Rather than seeing that there are two valid sides to what is clearly simply a matter of personal opinion and perspective, some will post dozens of messages that all say the exact same thing, apparently in an effort to beat the rest of us into submission by the sheer quantity of their posts.

IMO, any attempt to make someone feel bad by saying that "EVERYONE else agrees" is simply intellectually lazy. Everyone has not agreed, nor should they. This is not a black and white issue. Nor does getting a bunch of people from a fictitious "community" to agree with you make your argument any more correct. Hell, there was a time in history when the "majority" would have said that slavery was completely acceptable, or that women shouldn't have the right to vote. Majority consensus is seldom an adequate gauge of right and wrong, particularly on a topic that is as subjective as "involving the non-consenting public".

Additionally, repeatedly supporting your point with ridiculous outlier examples (like whether it's appropriate for someone to go into a church and engage in a sex act) is another sign that your position isn't as clearly "right" as some of you pretend that it is.

IMO, there are things that we will probably all agree are inappropriate (e.g. performing a kinky sex act in the middle of a church service). Those answers are so obvious that they're not even worth discussing (IMO).

Rather than discussing the outliers, I think it's more fruitful to have an intelligent and objective discussion about the grey areas. For example, some have argued vehemently in previous threads that it is completely out of bounds for a sub/slave to wear a collar in public. Others have argued similarly that using the term "Master" or "Mistress" in a public setting is completely off limits. Others would say that making a sub/slave female go panty-less in public is not acceptable because the "nonconsenting public" might accidentally get a peak at her private parts. Or sticking closer to the topic at hand, some would argue that bringing religion (or items/actions related to religion) into the practice of our kink is distasteful and should never be done.

Personally, I have seen valid arguments made on BOTH sides of this discussion. And I think that it is the sound arguments that are always made by both sides which make this topic (Involving the non-consenting public) worth revisiting as often as we do.

My thinking is challenged each time we have this argument, and admittedly, my perspective changes as well. I'm sure that there are others who would agree that they have heard some arguments that expanded their thinking on this topic. That is why I find these discussions to be enjoyable.

But what I DON'T find to be enjoyable is those who see "winning" as the objective of the conversation. You can't beat someone into submission if they don't agree with your position. It's frustrating for both parties when you try to do so.

There's an old saying that goes; "A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still." Some of you should think about that for a while. Your Borg-like tactics of trying to get the rest of us to assimilate are tiresome. Childish even.

For the rest of you (i.e. the majority of you) who have not tried to bludgeon the rest of us into adopting your position, I thank you for the exchange. It has been enjoyable and enlightening. My thinking has been challenged. Moreover, it has caused me to change my position on some of the suggestions that I originally brought to the table. I am objective enough (and adult enough) to admit that.

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RE: ideas for christian humiliation - 11/23/2011 9:20:49 AM

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RE: ideas for christian humiliation - 11/23/2011 9:24:39 AM

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The hot redheaded bird said, among other things,

The t-shirt idea is great. So no problem there
Not so much. So not completely out of the question
Probably not. So again not out of the question.

It took Me a minute to figure out that you were referring to Me. LOL.

I don't want there to be an confusion on the matter, so I'll have a word here. I know how I feel on the matter of games for humiliation. My personal standard is not to directly involve the non consenting public. I've actually got a few posts on the subject on the boards that detail ways that explain how I set these kinds of games up without the submissive being in on the preparation so that the submissive never knows that the people that are encountered are really in on the game. To the submissive, they have no idea that I've already talked to the cashier or hotel clerk, but the truth is that I already have and received their consent. If I didn't have that third parties consent, I wouldn't be doing it.

At the same time, I realize that other people that other people have different thoughts on where that line in the sand occurs. What I might not find acceptable might be ok for somebody else, so that's why I didn't answer any of the possible scenarios as an absolute no. It's not that I like the idea that someone would involve the priest, but My understanding that there's probably somebody out there who thinks it's perfectly fine. We kinky folks don't all have the same standards on where the line in the sand belongs and I was hoping that My comments would reflect that.

I really don't see the priest as being any different than the person working in the adult toy shop. Some people think that involving that person is ok because their job is to sell those toys. I don't happen to agree with that. I would say they deserve the same kind of cluing in and asking their consent that I would anyone else. Not everybody agrees with Me, unfortunately.

This subject is no different than any other in the kink world. Some of the things that I do probably are cool with some folks and with other folks, they aren't cool at all. The same works in reverse. Some things that other folks do I think are great ideas and others I wouldn't even think of doing. There were certain suggestions on the thread that I thought were great. Others, I was sitting on My side of the screen to think of ways to set up so that I could stay within My personal standards that didn't involve someone directly where I didn't have consent. That's actually part of the fun for Me as a Dominant who enjoys such things. Planning them out and the anticipation of the fun that I might have with the execution of that plan.

Darn good thread. My thanks to the OP for starting such an interesting discussion.

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RE: ideas for christian humiliation - 11/23/2011 9:31:21 AM

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And this is why I always enjoy conversations with LadyPact. This is a topic on which we disagree on many elements. And yet, even in our disagreement, we recognize the validity of the opposing position, and simply "agree to disagree".

IMO, that is far more fruitful than trying to beat those with opposing views into submission.

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RE: ideas for christian humiliation - 11/23/2011 10:43:07 AM

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And this is why I always enjoy conversations with LadyPact. This is a topic on which we disagree on many elements. And yet, even in our disagreement, we recognize the validity of the opposing position, and simply "agree to disagree".

IMO, that is far more fruitful than trying to beat those with opposing views into submission.

(Big hug to "the hot redheaded bird")

Roch, I just want to commend you on being one of the few, really intelligent and calm voices in this thread. Kudos to you.

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RE: ideas for christian humiliation - 11/23/2011 11:25:46 AM

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I wanted to add too that I enjoyed this discussion as well, for many of the reasons that Roch brought up. A good discussion has ways of enlightening you about yourself, as well as challenging your boundaries from time to time. Even if you don't move the boundaries, you may understand more about why you have them there. It kind of ticks me off that things will be going well and the boundary pushing is happening for me within my brain, or the enlightenment as to why I think I'll keep them there, and then the discussion gets pushed off into no mans land by those with a personal agenda.

I like reading why people think the way they do, and when they chime in with an addition it can be eye opening. Not so much when some want to skewer others for their contributions. To me that's kind of what we're talking about here....pushing our own personal gratification upon others. Isn't it? The people who wish to play the skewering game have each other, but then everyone else who was participating no longer has the same playing field to come back to, it's been changed and the majority loses out.

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RE: ideas for christian humiliation - 11/23/2011 11:37:54 AM

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It would be cool if there could be a subset for each thread. Rational discussion with a subset where the bullshit "I'm right so you are wrong and so stupid for not recognizing it!!!" type posts go. They can argue to their heart's content but the serious discussion stays unpolluted.

I know it's impossible but wouldn't it be cool!?!

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RE: ideas for christian humiliation - 11/23/2011 12:33:51 PM

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It would be amazingly cool. I really don't like it either when people start in with criticizing this site and the people on it and whatever, but just this once I was drawn in by the level of discussion on a deep subject and enjoying it, then when it went off track I kind of mourned the loss of it. I was learning stuff - good conversations do that.

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RE: ideas for christian humiliation - 11/23/2011 12:53:59 PM

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They are college girls playing silly games with other college kids.

They are busy people who in all likelihood have better things to do than spend hours of their own free time conduct surveys for some thread on the internet. Their willingness to do so is admirable.

Their "surveys" are meaningless, and I've no doubt they are aware they have no scientific merit. Comes across more as a sorority hazing game.

If you think so, you are welcome to conduct a survey of your own, and share the results. The merit that they have is to provide some level of objectivity to discussions that would otherwise be based solely on idle speculation. But by all means, if you think you can do a better job, go for it.

However, everyone has said the same thing for what? Sixteen pages now? Explaining and re-explaining to the argumentative. Because all agreed that while we may not agree with it, it was the involvement of others that was distasteful and improper.

No, ALL did not agree that involving others was distasteful and improper. As a matter of fact, many agreed that it WASN'T, provided that the people being involved weren't embarrassed in any way.

It wasn't unclear, yet for sixteen pages, it was made to seem so.

Personally, i think many of the arguments, on either side, had merit. i thought it was a good thread for that reason.

It really isn't worth the time because it is, after all, not a search for understanding, but just another game to be argumentative and keep asking questions. Like the kid in the back of the car screaming every 10 seconds, "are we there yet?"

In the past, i have seen threads that seemed to have no other purpose than to provide an excuse to trade snark, make fun of others, and engage in pointless argumentation. I do not think this thread fits that description.

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RE: ideas for christian humiliation - 11/23/2011 1:08:36 PM

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You miss the point entirely. I've done legitimate surveys way back when I was in college. I've also analyzed statistics for many years.

I actually don't care whether they obtained "proper" consent for their surveys, the point is that it is a little college game with no real meaning. Anyone relying on the information they obtain and using it as a basis of fact probably believes every chain email they get as well.

On the subject of those surveys, the girls are having a good time at school during non-class hours, good for them. It is part of the college experience. But anyone acting as though they have any scientific merit is out of their mind.

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RE: ideas for christian humiliation - 11/23/2011 1:11:25 PM

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Ay, annoying not-a-lawyer lady.

The hot redheaded bird said, among other things,

The t-shirt idea is great. So no problem there
Not so much. So not completely out of the question
Probably not. So again not out of the question.

Seems less that complete agreement that is distasteful and improper, rather that it might not always be. and the smart one said what again? Ah that's right, she said they question whether public non-consent is really an issue in this case. Now, maybe it isn't so in all the courtrooms you frequent, but elsewhere when somebody says that something is probably not OK, but it might be, that means they are questioning if the reason given for it being wrong are necessarily true, don't you think?

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Me? I'm done.
And we've heard that before from you haven't we annoying at-best-a-paralegal lady? What's happened, no threats this time?

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I won't even comment on the absolute ridiculousness of you counting each and every post.
You didn't count on anybody doing that when you made your own claim to supreme ridiculousness did you. So, just who are these "everybody" and "all" who agree with you then woman? Seems you're lying again, and you're resorting to insults again as well aren't you?

Now why don't you go buy yourself a nice large cucumber and put it to good use, it will reduce your stress greatly.

How about you take all the potatoes out of your ass and figure out what you are talking about before you start slingling insults at someone you don't know a damn thing about?

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RE: ideas for christian humiliation - 11/23/2011 1:13:35 PM

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Once again, the subject was not Christian humiliation,
Now that's terribly odd, I could have sworn the title of this thread was "ideas for christian humiliation". You know, you behave rather oddly for one one who professes the Christian faith.

Do try to follow along. The "subject' quickly switched to what is acceptable in public and involving others. Was it a derail of the subject? Somewhat. But since you have never had anything sensible to add to any subject other than to insult me or throw in some joke, your "thoughts" (if one could call them such) are really pretty irrelevant.

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RE: ideas for christian humiliation - 11/23/2011 1:20:28 PM

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. But since you have never had anything sensible to add to any subject other than to insult me or throw in some joke, your "thoughts" (if one could call them such) are really pretty irrelevant.

Oh dear.......pot meet kettle.

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