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I've done legitimate surveys way back when I was in college. I've also analyzed statistics for many years.

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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009
Ditto.  I didn't agree, and I have a very different perspective about who has been argumentative in this thread.

That's why I stated earlier in this thread that these discussions (on involving the non-consenting public) never seem to go anywhere.  There are some people on here who seem to take it far too personally, and seem to be unable to address the topic objectively.

Rather than seeing that there are two valid sides to what is clearly simply a matter of personal opinion and perspective, some will post dozens of messages that all say the exact same thing, apparently in an effort to beat the rest of us into submission by the sheer quantity of their posts.

IMO, any attempt to make someone feel bad by saying that "EVERYONE else agrees" is simply intellectually lazy.  Everyone has not agreed, nor should they.  This is not a black and white issue.  Nor does getting a bunch of people from a fictitious "community" to agree with you make your argument any more correct.  Hell, there was a time in history when the "majority" would have said that slavery was completely acceptable, or that women shouldn't have the right to vote. Majority consensus is seldom an adequate gauge of right and wrong, particularly on a topic that is as subjective as "involving the non-consenting public".

Additionally, repeatedly supporting your point with ridiculous outlier examples (like whether it's appropriate for someone to go into a church and engage in a sex act) is another sign that your position isn't as clearly "right" as some of you pretend that it is.

IMO, there are things that we will probably all agree are inappropriate (e.g. performing a kinky sex act in the middle of a church service).  Those answers are so obvious that they're not even worth discussing (IMO). 

Rather than discussing the outliers, I think it's more fruitful to have an intelligent and objective discussion about the grey areas.  For example, some have argued vehemently in previous threads that it is completely out of bounds for a sub/slave to wear a collar in public.  Others have argued similarly that using the term "Master" or "Mistress" in a public setting is completely off limits.  Others would say that making a sub/slave female go panty-less in public is not acceptable because the "nonconsenting public" might accidentally get a peak at her private parts.  Or sticking closer to the topic at hand, some would argue that bringing religion (or items/actions related to religion) into the practice of our kink is distasteful and should never be done. 

Personally, I have seen valid arguments made on BOTH sides of this discussion.  And I think that it is the sound arguments that are always made by both sides which make this topic (Involving the non-consenting public) worth revisiting as often as we do.

My thinking is challenged each time we have this argument, and admittedly, my perspective changes as well.  I'm sure that there are others who would agree that they have heard some arguments that expanded their thinking on this topic.  That is why I find these discussions to be enjoyable.

But what I DON'T find to be enjoyable is those who see "winning" as the objective of the conversation.  You can't beat someone into submission if they don't agree with your position.  It's frustrating for both parties when you try to do so.

There's an old saying that goes;  "A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still."  Some of you should think about that for a while.  Your Borg-like tactics of trying to get the rest of us to assimilate are tiresome.  Childish even.

For the rest of you (i.e. the majority of you) who have not tried to bludgeon the rest of us into adopting your position, I thank you for the exchange.  It has been enjoyable and enlightening.  My thinking has been challenged.  Moreover, it has caused me to change my position on some of the suggestions that I originally brought to the table.  I am objective enough (and adult enough) to admit that.

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This has got to be one of the best CM posts of all time. Well done, Roch.

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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

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Sorry.

pam

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

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Sorry.

pam

You were going to say 'word', or 'this', weren't you?

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Have her buy a bottle of water then take it to a Priest. Tell her to ask the Priest to bless it. She can tell the Priest she wants to use it to water plants because she's trying to grow a Garden of Eden.

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ORIGINAL: SuzeQ

A country preacher decided to skip services one Sunday and head to the hills to do some bear hunting. As he rounded the corner on a perilous twist in the trail, he and a bear collided, sending him and his rifle tumbling down the mountainside. Before he knew it, his rifle went one way and he went the other, landing on a rock and breaking both legs.

That was the good news. The bad news was the ferocious bear charging at him from a
distance, and he couldn't move.

The preacher started praying: "Oh, Lord, I'm so sorry for skipping services today to come out here and hunt. Please forgive me and grant me just one wish...please make a Christian out of that bear that's coming at me. Please, Lord!"

That very instant, the bear skidded to a halt, fell to its knees, clasped its paws together and began to pray aloud right at the preacher's feet.

"Dear God, bless this food I am about to receive...."
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What do priests and Christmas trees have in common?

They both have balls, but they're just for decoration.

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If there is a God and hes a football fan, he's got a thing for the West Coast offense.

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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Have her buy a bottle of water then take it to a Priest. Tell her to ask the Priest to bless it. She can tell the Priest she wants to use it to water plants because she's trying to grow a Garden of Eden.

I didn't realize my innocent suggestion to the OP would set off such a shit storm. For that, I apologize. I just thought it was funny. As to whether or not it's non-consensually bringing someone into a kink.. again, not something that I had thought of. I suppose certain elements could construe it that way. Obviously, I didn't think of it from that perspective. I 'still' think it's funny. I mean, come on.. growing a Garden of Eden with some blessed water. How is that 'not' funny?

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funny!

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ORIGINAL: SuzeQ

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The minute someone starts asking the sub questions, they will be aware.

How will they know?
Unless she is a really good actress and has actually studied religion to the point she can have a decent conversation about it, then they will know. And if she happens to run into someone who really wants to convert, what is she going to say? Sorry I was just kidding?

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I did not realize you were printing the surveys and taking them out for the public to read.

How could you not? What purpose would there be in calling it a survey if we didn't ask the public, isn't that what makes it a survey?
I thought you were refering to the P&RS polls when you said survey

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I thought they were being read by members of cm.

That would be a poll down in P&RS. And how on earth would that give us a picture of how people off-site feel about things?
See above

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And yes approaching random guys on the street to ask about strap ons would also be crossing the line.

So I assume you feel the same way about all survey takers and petition pushers?
Survey takers and petition pushers ask ahead of time if the person wants to participate.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
Why is it so fucking hard to find a way to play that doesn't involve the public?

So you don't go around in public as a boi?