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RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabe... - 12/23/2011 12:06:50 PM

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Tfb, have you asked about a diabetic educator? Mine is also the pharmacist for the group pratice I go to... and has been such a big help. From him I have learned why different meds work better for different people, how my cholesterol levels and BP are affected by my diabetes and he never minds answering the nagging questions... the .. What do I do if ___ kind.

I found this link...

http://www.permanente.net/homepage/kaiser/pdf/4286.pdf

Maybe you can use it?

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RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabe... - 12/23/2011 12:08:03 PM

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Mom and I used to do the Atkins thing, it worked well for us, but the basic diet is short term.

Diabetes is tough to manage. For MANY the meds make people gain weight, and it's a vicious cycle. I know some very skinny diabetics so there is more to management than weight loss, believe me.

Is there any kind of diabetic support group for younger folks? Maybe you can hang together and exchange recipes and such.

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RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabe... - 12/23/2011 12:10:09 PM

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"I've never learned how to make an omelet"

An omelette is not hard. It is basically scrambled eggs that are REALLY scrambled, whipped in fact. You can do it with a fork but you need to really work at it. Egg beaters work better, even the crank type. I wonder if you can even buy a non electric one these days. If it's like trying to find a good can opener cheap - good luck LOL. There is also the whisk type which works better than a fork but not as effortlessly as even a crank eggbeater.

Then the question is what to put in it and when. The sky's the limit here. A friend of mine used to make them with anything in the fridge he could find. Pieces of chicken, tomatoes, hell some people probably put tuna fish in them. (he would've I'm sure)

One of these days I'll have to look around and find a table showing the relative carb contents of different veggies. We know potatoes are at the top of the list. Carrots and corn are up there, but what of brocolli, spinach, other things like that ? Legumes have some carbs but they also usually have some protein. We know rice has a bunch of carbs, and when it comes to wheat it's about pure carbs. Going whole wheat doesn't work for some people, they say whole wheat bread is like eating a dry sponge or something like that.

Anyway, you don't need a team of rocket scientists to reduce your carb intake, just common sense. You are not making a drastic change here, you probably couldn't, at least not easily. If you cut carbs out completely that is drastic, and really you probably won't feel really good, at least at first. Don't shock your system too much.

If you don't already have one you probably should get a glucose meter. Then you can try some dietary changes and see the results. I'm not sure if they require a prescription but with your diagnosis that should not be a problem. There are also companies that will give you one for free, expecting to of course sell you insulin. If you don't use insulin I don't know if they'll still give you one but it's worth looking into. But then for all I know you could just walk into a drugstore and buy one as easily as a roll of paper towels.

I would maybe take two days and eat just about zero pasta and bread and compare your sugar readings. Selectively concentrate on or eliminate certain foods one at a time and get an idea what helps you and what does not. At the same time you can get an idea of which dietary changes you can put up with easily and those which might be a bit more difficult to deal with. That's a personal matter and is important because the idea is not to make drastic changes, the idea is to make permanent changes.

Best of luck, and of course get other opinions.

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RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabe... - 12/23/2011 12:17:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

It's my understanding that she said she has tried that and they keep trying to get her into a nutritionist but her insurance won't pay for it. She's been told on here there are classes and seminars that are usually free at local hospitals and such that help diabetics understand the disease and what they should be eating, but she indicated that wouldn't be what she wants.

angel

Actually, I was looking back at her post history a little while ago because I was wondering this. She had stated she has gone to two of them back when she was diagnosed.

At this point, at least she is thinking about things and asking questions - which is a much better then just sitting back and not caring.

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RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabe... - 12/23/2011 12:24:38 PM

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Db yes it took me a long time to finally start too.

There's a lot of conflicting info sometimes too and from ppl sometimes who don't know what they're talking about. My dad for 1 example told me that sweet potatos yams and red potatos are ok to eat lots of even as a diabetic. And I said dr said they have to much starch and to limit them and he scoffed at that and said no they don't. He doesn't know thing 1 about glycemic levels or stuff like that. He also subscribes to the idea there's certain veggies you can eat tons of and there's no repercussions an lots of others don't.

Lady H I'd love it if there were I don't think kaiser has any, but outside resources might.

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RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabe... - 12/23/2011 12:31:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

Oh I love eggs. I've never learned how to make an omelet, but I did find a recipe with like 10 different ways to have eggs., there was scrambled eggs with salsa and a little bit of tortilla, there was a spinach and egg omelet with a few other things in it I forget, and a caseral and a quiche.
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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

I know many people may get tired of eating them but eggs are a low carber's friend lol. When in doubt as to what you can or want to eat, whip up an omlet with veggies and a meat of your choice and some cheese, or an egg scramble. Add an additional side of veggies, and whalla always a meal around. Eggs are also cheap.

http://www.genaw.com/lowcarb/recipes.html - this is one of my favorite low carb sites for recipes.

Since you don't like to cook, you may find beneficial the different casseroles and quiches she has, that will carry you over to other meals and can be frozen.

angel

From a super simplistic view TFB am omelet is just like scrambled eggs, the curds are just smaller so it lays flatter (and then can be folded). They aren't hard to make really, as long as you have a good non-stick pan. The worst thing you can do it is its either overcook it a little (which you'll learn not to do over time) or not keep it entirely together when you take it out the the pan. If you consume too many eggs you have to worry about cholesterol but you can always switch it up with egg subsitute or do egg whites instead.

If you search "how to make an omelet" on youtube I am sure you'll find a ton of videos to watch and give you ideas.

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RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabe... - 12/23/2011 12:40:28 PM

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There's a lot of conflicting info sometimes too and from ppl sometimes who don't know what they're talking about. My dad for 1 example told me that sweet potatos yams and red potatos are ok to eat lots of even as a diabetic. And I said dr said they have to much starch and to limit them and he scoffed at that and said no they don't. He doesn't know thing 1 about glycemic levels or stuff like that. He also subscribes to the idea there's certain veggies you can eat tons of and there's no repercussions an lots of others don't.

That was the old way to thinking. What he told you is probably what he was taught. That doesnt mean we dont learn things and change our ways. Its harder to older diabetics to get out of their habits to learn new ones.

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RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabe... - 12/23/2011 1:00:56 PM

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quote:

I've never learned how to make an omelet,

Frittatas are easier - you start on the stove top and finish in the oven.

Here's a good recipe that also includes good technique:

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/frittata-recipe/index.html

Ingredients
6 eggs, beaten
1-ounce Parmesan, grated
1/2 teaspoon black pepper
Pinch salt
1 teaspoon butter
1/2 cup chopped roasted asparagus
1/2 cup chopped country ham
1 tablespoon chopped parsley leaves
Directions

Preheat oven to broil setting.

In medium size bowl, using a fork, blend together eggs, Parmesan, pepper, and salt. Heat 12-inch non-stick, oven safe saute pan over medium high heat. Add butter to pan and melt. Add asparagus and ham to pan and saute for 2 to 3 minutes. Pour egg mixture into pan and stir with rubber spatula. Cook for 4 to 5 minutes or until the egg mixture has set on the bottom and begins to set up on top. Sprinkle with parsley.

Place pan into oven and broil for 3 to 4 minutes, until lightly browned and fluffy. Remove from pan and cut into 6 servings. Serve immediately.

You can use lots of combos of eggs, veggies, and meat. All recipes has 40 frittata recipes: http://allrecipes.com/recipes/breakfast-and-brunch/egg-dishes/frittata/

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RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabe... - 12/23/2011 1:06:44 PM

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I know some very skinny diabetics so there is more to management than weight loss, believe me.

Don't even get me started on that one...

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RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabe... - 12/23/2011 2:31:28 PM

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For people who are still wary of eggs, it's an alternative - mix it up with the whites, if it makes them feel better. I eat the whole eggs and know a lot of people who do and they don't have issues and in fact just by the losing of the weight have gotten off all meds including cholesterol. Also, you don't need egg substitute because it's still cheaper to use the actual eggs and just use the egg whites.

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RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabe... - 12/23/2011 2:38:29 PM

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DameBruchetta, if you look at her recent post to me, she has asked her doctor to send her to a nutritionist to help her with this and they have recommended some HOWEVER, her insurance won't pay for it because they deem it weight loss treatment. She won't go to classes because she doesn't need or want them, she wants one on one.

When she comes back with an answer thinking she doesn't NEED a class to teach her about a disease she doesn't understand but has to learn to control, sorry, i disagree -- questions are fine, but if you aren't willing to understand the disease or how to manage it, but simply come to a discussion board on a site like this lol, tells me while it's interesting discussion -- she isn't learning the bulk of the information she needs to in order to manage her disease.

angel

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RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabe... - 12/23/2011 3:09:16 PM

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"Mom and I used to do the Atkins thing, it worked well for us, but the basic diet is short term...."Well no, while i am glad it worked well for you, there is no basic diet, that isn't true, its a lifestyle change that has different phases people MUST go through in order to get the full benefit of the plan and learning what the plan teaches you. If you want to debate what Atkins plan actually is, that there is no basic diet but that people choose to cut out parts of the plan, we can. I even have the book a couple of them lol for accurate information. It is a good plan as a WHOLE, not a basic diet. It's a lifestyle change, not just induction (which is what most people don't get past). But it's also difficult for many people so it's not for many people. For me its good because i do better with a beginning of absolute restriction and then incorporating foods back in -- most people aren't. I also recommended SB for TFTB because it's a different learning concept and she may do better as it offers more flexibility.

While yes i am sure there are skinny type IIers, i have never met any. Most of the normal weight type IIers i know are all used to be overweight people who lost weight and got off their meds. I never said losing weight CURES it or even manages it, i said losing weight gets MANY people off their meds -- which is a huge milestone for many people, especially in this day and age of skyrocketing medicine costs.

I have said this in the past but those on metformin, ask your doc what pharmacies offer same for free. Also, My doc has me on Januvia, which also contains an appetite suppressant. However, its usually one of the type B drugs. Also, whenever you are prescribed new meds always look up on their website if they have special offers and ask your doc for samples.

All in all, research research research!!

angel

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RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabe... - 12/23/2011 3:10:16 PM

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It isn't a matter of not understanding diabetes, it is a matter of wanting/needing a defined diet to follow. Some people need that, the menu plan that says "eat this, this and this."

TFB, you are on Medicare. If Kaiser isn't providing for your needs correctly, you can change to someone one else. I wasn't restricted to my insurance carrier's diabetes education, I went to my local Regional Diabetes Center, which gets its information and works closely with the American Diabetes Association. Honestly, if it was some insurance company's program, I would have complained, too easy for them to bias things. The RDC doesn't care who your insurance company is or what is or is not covered, they are dealing with the patient.

Look, the bottom line here is that you want a nutritionist and your insurance company doesn't want to pay for it. Medicare HAS APPROVED gastric bypass surgery for weight loss in diabetics, so apparently your doctor and your insurance company aren't communicating properly since weight loss/nutrition is a big part of managing diabetes, it isn't just about weight loss. Your doctor needs to present it to the insurance company as a diabetes issue, not a weight loss issue. If they deny it, she (her office) needs to appeal the decision. If she isn't willing to do that, get a new doctor. If it isn't possible to get it approved, save up and spend the 60 bucks and be done with it.

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RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabe... - 12/23/2011 3:15:04 PM

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I get a lot of information from the message boards on the ADA site.

http://community.diabetes.org/?utm_source=WWW&utm_medium=ContentPage&utm_content=LeftHandRail&utm_campaign=COMM

Every little bit helps

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RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabe... - 12/23/2011 3:40:55 PM

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He's not diabetic, so his scoffing that the dr's tell diabetics to limit potato's and yams and stuff was stupid. But when I got firm and said well that's what the dr said he conceded that you have to do what the dr says. When my grandma was diabetic years ago, *she's dead now but not from d or d complications*they did things differently that's not nessisarily so now days.

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That was the old way to thinking. What he told you is probably what he was taught. That doesnt mean we dont learn things and change our ways. Its harder to older diabetics to get out of their habits to learn new ones.

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RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabe... - 12/23/2011 3:43:53 PM

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Thank you. I also think from watching someone cook one a long time ago you have to kinda tilt the pan and get the omlet on the edge too, to start folding?

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ORIGINAL: DameBruschetta

From a super simplistic view TFB am omelet is just like scrambled eggs, the curds are just smaller so it lays flatter (and then can be folded). They aren't hard to make really, as long as you have a good non-stick pan. The worst thing you can do it is its either overcook it a little (which you'll learn not to do over time) or not keep it entirely together when you take it out the the pan. If you consume too many eggs you have to worry about cholesterol but you can always switch it up with egg subsitute or do egg whites instead.

If you search "how to make an omelet" on youtube I am sure you'll find a ton of videos to watch and give you ideas.

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RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabe... - 12/23/2011 3:47:17 PM

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Ooooooooh sounds yummy. I'll have to try them on his day off!

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Frittatas are easier - you start on the stove top and finish in the oven.

Here's a good recipe that also includes good technique:

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/frittata-recipe/index.html

Ingredients
6 eggs, beaten
1-ounce Parmesan, grated
1/2 teaspoon black pepper
Pinch salt
1 teaspoon butter
1/2 cup chopped roasted asparagus
1/2 cup chopped country ham
1 tablespoon chopped parsley leaves
Directions

Preheat oven to broil setting.

In medium size bowl, using a fork, blend together eggs, Parmesan, pepper, and salt. Heat 12-inch non-stick, oven safe saute pan over medium high heat. Add butter to pan and melt. Add asparagus and ham to pan and saute for 2 to 3 minutes. Pour egg mixture into pan and stir with rubber spatula. Cook for 4 to 5 minutes or until the egg mixture has set on the bottom and begins to set up on top. Sprinkle with parsley.

Place pan into oven and broil for 3 to 4 minutes, until lightly browned and fluffy. Remove from pan and cut into 6 servings. Serve immediately.

You can use lots of combos of eggs, veggies, and meat. All recipes has 40 frittata recipes: http://allrecipes.com/recipes/breakfast-and-brunch/egg-dishes/frittata/

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RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabe... - 12/23/2011 3:47:24 PM

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Umm no LL, i disagree, while the eat this, not that is good in the beginning, you have to not only learn about the disease but also how it affects you, and what you are eating affects it. Sorry but remaining ignorant as to the disease and only focusing on what to eat is not an intelligent way to manage a disease. To me, the only way to manage it is to understand it because once you understand it -- you can deal with the non-conformity of life and things that pop up. Otherwise, you are told eat this and not that and the not that happens to be the only edible thing around -- you would panic if that absolute of not that was true. Learning about the disease and how things affect you and it, helps you not to have the absolutes in your life but can instead roll with the punches so to speak.

What i am telling her is she needs to learn about the disease not just guess or get half-assed information but actually take an active part in learning about it, what it does, and how things affect it.

Knowedge is power, power is what will allow you to have control over the disease the best you can.

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RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabe... - 12/23/2011 3:53:32 PM

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My pills all used to be free and then they started charging 1.10 for the generics and a few other non generics. Sometimes I have to pay 3 or 4 dollars, but I know that's a pitance compared to what others have to pay. That's good enough for me!

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

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I have said this in the past but those on metformin, ask your doc what pharmacies offer same for free. Also, My doc has me on Januvia, which also contains an appetite suppressant. However, its usually one of the type B drugs. Also, whenever you are prescribed new meds always look up on their website if they have special offers and ask your doc for samples.

All in all, research research research!!

angel

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RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabe... - 12/23/2011 3:55:20 PM

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TFTB, check with the websites of the pills you are taking, they may have deals or offers you can use to help you put that 1-5 bucks per perscription in your pocket or to help you all with the food you buy. My metformin at CVS is $10, but at publix right down the street its free. Just because its a pittance of what others pay doesn't mean you should have to pay for drugs when you don't need too.

It's not hard and in the end, you can only benefit from it, especially if your prices keep going up.

angel

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