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Question to ex smokers - 12/25/2011 1:09:41 AM

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OK, I kicked smoking as I am looking after my friend who had an organ transplant, all fine and dandy, it was fairly easy despite decades of smoking, just had to adjust a few rituals and habits (no more morning coffee) but no weird cravings, really more of a habit, also did it without the pills, gums and whatnot because they taste freaking foul, make me sick and where's the point in being hard headed if I can't out-stubborn nicotine addiction. Funny enough I like smelling fresh cigarette smoke and it doesn't even make me reach for a ciggy (always carry an open pack with me and a lighter, so I have no excuse, if I spark up it's because I am weak, it's my hard head versus the nicotine), so far so good, everything fine and dandy and I am smoke free for 4 weeks...

Here's the problem, I have increased exercise, I consume less calories yet my metabolism seems to have slowed down considerably, with what I am doing (and I track it) I should have lost 1 lbs but I gained 2 lbs. I got this absolute horror of gaining weight, everytime I gained weight I was miserable and depressed, long story (has something to do with an accident and high doses of cortisone I got as a teen) I simply can't gain weight because I fall into what I call "my black hole". Does anybody know how long this metabolic stop lasts and what can be done (can't increase exercise as I am looking after somebody who is sick and really do a lot of exercises every minute I am not needed) to kick start my metabolism.

Please spare me the platitudes of burning more than you take in, I am aware of that and as I said I monitor calorie intake and exercises, but the truth is, if kicking nicotine means a weight gain, I rather risk dying of lung cancer and will reach for cigs the moment I leave.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/25/2011 1:16:47 AM

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Ok, first please think about it this way: If the cigarettes give you lung disease, you will not be able to exercise at all, and then you'll be a fat smoker with lung disease. Just something to think about.

Second, congratulations on quitting! I'm almost at my second month.

Third, I'm gaining a little weight, but I figure that it's temporary, until I get used to the quitting.

But please, please consider throwing away the open pack you're carrying. Why give yourself the easy opportunity?

Good luck!!

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/25/2011 1:27:40 AM

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Hey LC

You are not imagining the weight gain.... but you arent burning as many calories.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/400612-does-your-metabolism-slow-down-when-you-quit-smoking/

And the answer is about 6 months.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/25/2011 1:27:42 AM

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Ok, first please think about it this way: If the cigarettes give you lung disease, you will not be able to exercise at all, and then you'll be a fat smoker with lung disease. Just something to think about.

Second, congratulations on quitting! I'm almost at my second month.

Third, I'm gaining a little weight, but I figure that it's temporary, until I get used to the quitting.

But please, please consider throwing away the open pack you're carrying. Why give yourself the easy opportunity?

Good luck!!

Well, actually, if I get lung cancer I won't be fat... So DUH

Look, the open packet works for me, if I have to avoid cigs to not smoke, then obviously I have a problem, it's like locking up an alcoholic or any addict so he or she can't get the drug, won't achieve anything, the moment they can get their drug again they will have a relapse, so carrying an open pack with me works as it removes the temptation, I could spark up anytime.

Now it's fine if you are OK with gaining weight, personally I'd rather be dead than gain weight, as I said, it has to do with my past and nope, being a porker - I'd rather be dead straight away, actually that is the only thought that makes me crave cigs.

In case you missed it, I was asking a question as to how long this terrible effect lasts and what can be done to kickstart the metabolism, I wasn't asking if you are OK with gaining weight or your advise that I should throw away the open pack, it's OK if you do it your way, it's OK if you are fine with gaining weight, fact is for me gaining weight is linked to getting serious depressions and nope, I am not going there because I know it would mean that I would slit my wrists or jump off a bridge, so even a lung disease would give me more of a chance than obesity. It's OK if you don't understand, I didn't ask you to understand, I asked a specific question, a question you are apparently not able to read or answer. Simple as that.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/25/2011 1:36:19 AM

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Btw, I recently quit myself... its really not as hard as I thought it would be, but, yep, Im seeing the scale go up as well.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/25/2011 1:38:44 AM

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Hey LC

You are not imagining the weight gain.... but you arent burning as many calories.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/400612-does-your-metabolism-slow-down-when-you-quit-smoking/

And the answer is about 6 months.

OK thanks, I can work with that, I am actually on livestrong monitoring my exercises and calorie intake, hence I know that I am definitely burning more and shouldn't gain but actually lose weight. If it is 6 months I can possibly increase my exercise. I know it sounds trivial and stupid, my weight fluctuates a little bit (5 to 10 lbs) but when I get to the higher end of it, it has such an impact on me and my quality of life, I'll never be model thin, just not my build (too much T&A), just there seems to be something in the fat tissue that makes me so horribly depressed that I never really gain a significant amount of weight. If it would be unavoidable, I'd be straight back to the cancer sticks and possibly chain smoking.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/25/2011 1:41:48 AM

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Definitely not worth that health wise (chain smoking). Its always easier to control weight gain once you know the whys behind a few extra pounds. You have only gained 1 lb in 4 weeks. Shouldnt be too difficult for you to bring that back under control.

I got faith in ya.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/25/2011 1:47:56 AM

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what kind of exercise do you do? do you do interval training (like tabata) at all? if you dont, try that. Interval training is supposed to burn calories for longer thru the day..
Maybe even try a (shorter?) workout in the morning and another (shorter) workout at night. I do that myself cuz my feet can only workout for a certain length of time so i have to break up my workouts into two..
Maybe build more muscle? lift more weights or do kettlebells?

That is about all i can suggest for your metabolism..

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/25/2011 1:55:29 AM

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what kind of exercise do you do? do you do interval training (like tabata) at all? if you dont, try that. Interval training is supposed to burn calories for longer thru the day..
Maybe even try a (shorter?) workout in the morning and another (shorter) workout at night. I do that myself cuz my feet can only workout for a certain length of time so i have to break up my workouts into two..
Maybe build more muscle? lift more weights or do kettlebells?

That is about all i can suggest for your metabolism..

Mainly aerobic exercises, inline skating, kick boxing, yoga. I really don't want to build more muscle as I am already quite muscular for a woman and only a natural hour glass shape stops me from looking butch. I'm currently in LA (my friend who had the transplant lives here) and I am doing hills like no tomorrow on inline skates (usually when he naps), I eat mainly salads or steamed fish but my whole body feels sluggish and like under water, almost like somebody took away my thyroid medication... Freaks me out

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/25/2011 2:02:07 AM

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"(always carry an open pack with me and a lighter, so I have no excuse, if I spark up it's because I am weak, it's my hard head versus the nicotine)"

It's going to get stale so you should give them away and get a fresh pack from time to time. Of all the people I know only about three don't smoke so I can get one no problem. My roomie has a cig machine and I know how to use it as well, plus I am sure he would give one up. So would the neighbor, and the other neighbor.

It's been since August for me. But I really agree. I mean to the point (I know it's a bit different) where I think someone who quits coke or heroin should always have some on hand. It's you or me motherfucker and guess what ! ???? !!!!!!! Keeping it away is like hiding from an enemy.

"You are not imagining the weight gain.... but you arent burning as many calories."

Well 200 a day for ten days is 2,000. That's like an extra day of food I guess. I got another problem, I lost ALOT of weight when I was sick and gaining it back is a good thing, or it WAS........ I betcha I am up to 250 by now, I can feel it. Dammit it took moving heaven and Earth to lose that shit last time. I went on low carbs to the point where I forgot what normal was. But it wasn't like when I got sick, during that time I lost muscle mass and shit. Sucked. I'm getting that back and I'll tellya, I am not afraid of fasting again and shrinking my stomach, but I do NOT want to lose the muscle mass I have regained since. Maybe I'll have to eat only meat and eggs for about four months. I dunno really, exactly what to do, but it's do it or die.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/25/2011 2:12:21 AM

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I'm not concerned about it going stale, it's just that it boils down to "Do I really want to do it or do I only do it because the object of my addiction is not within my reach..." So if it is within my reach, it's MY choice, you see, sooner or later I will be in an environment where people smoke and offer me cigs, I want to be able to say "No thanks" so the open pack is a good exercise for that.

I know I could gain 10 to 20 lbs and still be within normal parameters, but still, it would be a lot for me, I seem to have this inbuilt scale about how much weight I can carry and if I exceed that I feel horrible and depressed, I don't even want to get near there as I know how terrible I would feel, I know it's not objective and completely subjective, but it is as it is and I got to deal with it.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/25/2011 2:30:36 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
Mainly aerobic exercises, inline skating, kick boxing, yoga. I really don't want to build more muscle as I am already quite muscular for a woman and only a natural hour glass shape stops me from looking butch. I'm currently in LA (my friend who had the transplant lives here) and I am doing hills like no tomorrow on inline skates (usually when he naps), I eat mainly salads or steamed fish but my whole body feels sluggish and like under water, almost like somebody took away my thyroid medication... Freaks me out

Interval training is different from steady aerobic exercises.. It burns more for longer and takes you to a higher level... I know some people swear by it (I prefer it too).. but you have to decide if its something you want to try or do..
http://www.sparkpeople.com/resource/fitness_articles.asp?id=621

One other thing.. you said you felt tired, are you getting enough sleep? People that dont get enough sleep have a harder time losing weight also..

stress might be another factor also.. but i dont have any suggestions on that..

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/25/2011 2:54:40 AM

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You're right. My mother was fairly thin when she died of lung cancer this past May.

And aren't you a charming little thing. Sorry I offered help. Go lose a lung.

edited for typos, but really...why fucking bother?

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/25/2011 3:25:36 AM

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Now it's fine if you are OK with gaining weight, personally I'd rather be dead than gain weight, as I said, it has to do with my past and nope, being a porker - I'd rather be dead straight away, actually that is the only thought that makes me crave cigs.

Wow, just wow.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/25/2011 3:27:16 AM

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You're right. My mother was fairly thin when she died of lung cancer this past May.

And aren't you a charming little thing. Sorry I offered help. Go lose a lung.

edited for typos, but really...why fucking bother?

Sorry for your loss, 11 years ago today, I was thanking my mom for not dying on Christmas. She held on til Dec. 29th. But, by gawd, she was under 100 pounds when she died from lung cancer. Whoo hooo.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/25/2011 7:18:06 AM

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Mainly aerobic exercises, inline skating, kick boxing, yoga. I really don't want to build more muscle as I am already quite muscular for a woman and only a natural hour glass shape stops me from looking butch. I'm currently in LA (my friend who had the transplant lives here) and I am doing hills like no tomorrow on inline skates (usually when he naps), I eat mainly salads or steamed fish but my whole body feels sluggish and like under water, almost like somebody took away my thyroid medication... Freaks me out

What kind of yoga are you doing and how often? Shoulderstand and Bridge poses are said to be good for the thyroid.

All the practitioners of JivanMukti yoga I know are slim, but you'd also have to put up with the vegan proselytizing.

Have you tried Power Yoga / Ashtanga?

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/25/2011 7:34:10 AM

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@ JstAnotherSub--Hard way to lose your Mom, isn't it? Holidays are never the same anyway. Much love to you.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/25/2011 9:13:42 AM

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@ JstAnotherSub--Hard way to lose your Mom, isn't it? Holidays are never the same anyway. Much love to you.

Is there an easy way?

Holidays are indeed changed. Mom was the centerpoint of Christmas. She got leukemia, went into deep remission. Then an unfortunate incident. A week of treating septicaemia. Then her body decided to take it on itself. Not a good idea when the cells are cancerious. Went from remission to bone marrow in her circulation in a couple of hours. Still septic and with multiple organ failure, she woke up long enough to confirm the decision to forego heroic measures and end life support. Held her hand the half hour or so it took. Doc called it at 14:40, 29th Sep 2008.

Christmas still isn't up to snuff, three years later.

She quit smoking, though. During chemo.

And she'd prolly be the first to say Constanze has every right to set her own priorities. There are some things that hold a special significance to anyone with a life, things that we value more than that life itself. It can be kids, a cause, whatever. And there are things that can take away the ability to lead a meaningful or fulfilling life. Depression can be one of those. If her past weight issues make persistent weight gain a sufficient problem to outweigh the prospect of lung cancer or the like, then there is no reason for anyone to get huffy about that. We don't share the background to gauge what she might be facing if those issues resurface. It may well be every bit as bad as cancer. And I hope it's clear I don't say that lightly.

In any case, it's already been pointed out the weight issue passes in a few months.

As such, there's every reason to assume she'll stay nicotine-free.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/25/2011 10:14:51 AM

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I agree Aswad, that we all have the right to decide what will and will not work for us. I think what raised my hackles was the following

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It's OK if you don't understand, I didn't ask you to understand, I asked a specific question, a question you are apparently not able to read or answer. Simple as that.

To me, that slammed someone who was offering their own perspective and advice. The issues the OP has are her own, and to indicate that someone who offered advice is somehow lacking in reading comprehension, well, it irritated me. If I misinterpreted that sentence, well, I blame the toothache that is causing my jaw to throb like a mother fucker.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/25/2011 10:38:31 AM

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I often don't address the stated question because either previous posters already have or I'm more drawn to respond to what's not being asked.

In my own Chantix thread I anticipated that very few people would address my actual question and so far I'm right :)

Non attachment to outcomes reduces suffering.

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