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LookieNoNookie -> RE: Income inequality (12/28/2011 7:24:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Do let me know when you are done replying to every post individually, Lookie.


I'm done now.

I'll be over --------------------------->




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Income inequality (12/28/2011 7:24:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie



That's what's great about the FREE MARKET... people/companies are free to succeed or fail -- well, at least when the Gov. doesn't get their sticky fingers involved, anyway.





tazzygirl -> RE: Income inequality (12/28/2011 7:25:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Do let me know when you are done replying to every post individually, Lookie.


I'm done now.

I'll be over --------------------------->



Are you sure. I wouldnt want to interrupt.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Income inequality (12/28/2011 7:27:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Do let me know when you are done replying to every post individually, Lookie.


I'm done now.

I'll be over --------------------------->



Are you sure. I wouldnt want to interrupt.


I was thinking of saying one more thing.....but....I'll hold on to it for now.....

It was gonna be about.....

ehhhhhh....I'll wait.




tazzygirl -> RE: Income inequality (12/28/2011 7:27:47 PM)

Go for it. All you have managed to do so far is echo what others have said.




InvisibleBlack -> RE: Income inequality (12/28/2011 7:28:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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1. Existing or being in name only.
2. For the sake of comparison, form, or name only, and which may bear little or no relation or resemblance to the actual thing.
3. Of or relating to, or constituting, a name, noun, or term.
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Now, tell me who drives the market? Sure isnt me, sure isnt you. Bet its that 1%, coupled with the Business entities in this country and overseas, driving the Congressional members who drive back with an almost extortionist zeal against the Business and the 1%.

Its Parasitism - three way. [;)]


Hang on a sec - there are many members of the 1% who make their income without "driving the market" or any sort of Congressional influence or  anti-competitive effort or backdoor dealing or whatever - Oprah and Steve Jobs being two good examples. Is it the 1% you have a problem with, or some subset or industry/market segment specific group? Are there people not in the 1% who are also driving the market and practicing parasitism?

Is this about income inequality or unfair business practices?




tazzygirl -> RE: Income inequality (12/28/2011 7:39:35 PM)

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Is this about income inequality or unfair business practices?


The income inequality...

Where one (or more) group(s) of people control, through various means, the income of all other people while increasing their own profit margin, to the extent that the controlled group lives barely, or below, the level of "minimal" income.




InvisibleBlack -> RE: Income inequality (12/28/2011 7:47:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Is this about income inequality or unfair business practices?


The income inequality...

Where one (or more) group(s) of people control, through various means, the income of all other people while increasing their own profit margin, to the extent that the controlled group lives barely, or below, the level of "minimal" income.


So you believe that there is a small group of powerful people (a subset of the 1%, I presume), outside of the government, who are deliberately keeping you and others down to effectively "gorge" themselves at your expense? Do I have this right?




barelynangel -> RE: Income inequality (12/28/2011 7:48:51 PM)

I am in a quote mood today and i came across a couple of these tonight that just seem to fit as responses to many of the comments on this thread.  It seems that people have forgotten that their destiny, their success and their standard of life is really foremost in their own hands.   Yes, they can blame the super wealthy for having what they have but in the end, you are responsible for your decisions in life -- if your decisions aren't working then maybe its time to change them. 

Tony Robbins in Italics -- no significance he said them but the quotes to me say a lot --

Beliefs have the power to create and the power to destroy. Human beings have the awesome ability to take any experience of their lives and create a meaning that disempowers them or one that can literally save their lives

I believe that most people's initial ability is to take negative experiences and disempower themselves.  Yes, its hard when life may keep knocking you down but in the end, you get what you accept.  And again, no, i am not speaking of what others have, i am talking about people looking to themselves rather than to others in how to fix our economy. 

In essence, if we want to direct our lives, we must take control of our consistent actions. It’s not what we do once in a while that shapes our lives, but what we do consistently

2012 will decide if the people want to direct their lives or not.

If you don’t set a baseline standard for what you’ll accept in life, you’ll find it’s easy to slip into behaviors and attitudes or a quality of life that’s far below what you deserve

How many people are "comfortable" now struggling to survive?  How many people on unemployment are waiting for jobs to come to them?  The problem is, while its easy to be angry because of what others are perceived as doing, people are accepting things as they are -- sure they are whinging a little bit, but they are waiting for everyone else to fix it, it seems to me.


One reason so few of us achieve what we truly want is that we never direct our focus; we never concentrate our power. Most people dabble their way through life, never deciding to master anything in particular

I believe this could be a very real issue that many American's are content with.  They dabble their way through life and when life kicks them in the ass, they have nothing to fall back on and rebound.




I see grafts showing this and charts showing that, but what i don't see is what the individual person is doing for themselves.  

angel




InvisibleBlack -> RE: Income inequality (12/28/2011 7:56:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel
How many people are "comfortable" now struggling to survive?  How many people on unemployment are waiting for jobs to come to them?  The problem is, while its easy to be angry because of what others are perceived as doing, people are accepting things as they are -- sure they are whinging a little bit, but they are waiting for everyone else to fix it, it seems to me.


This brought something else to mind - from a very high level to a very low level people are looking at the current circumstances as an anomaly - a "phase" things are going through and if they can just hold out long enough, things will return back to "normal". That's not the case. Nations can go for decades with 10% unemployment and 1.8% (or whatever) growth. Things could stay exactly as they are for a long time ... or they could get quite worse.

Waiting for something to come along and fix things just means people are going to be out in the cold for a long time.




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Income inequality (12/28/2011 7:57:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: InvisibleBlack

So you believe that there is a small group of powerful people (a subset of the 1%, I presume), outside of the government, who are deliberately keeping you and others down to effectively "gorge" themselves at your expense? Do I have this right?



Yes, with regard to most posters on this board (including that one) ---> YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT





barelynangel -> RE: Income inequality (12/28/2011 8:03:49 PM)

Also, another thing is this country is no longer about the INDIVIDUAL, its about PARTIES.  Perhaps if people start taking back their individuality and being people instead of dividing themselves into parties, the government may have to stop doing the same and there may be changes people "say" they want to see.

But the question then becomes, are people willing to deal with the consequences of the changes they believe they want to see or if their ideas fail, are they going to blame others -- as it seems to be what many are doing now.

Many people in these political discussions are i would say between 35-60?   So be that as it may, we have been incharge of our government for the past 15 to 40 years?  Yet people want to blame the 1% of the wealthy for being the cause of the current situation our country is in?

Sorry, i think the people of this country need to stand up and take responsibility for their part in the BS our country is going through -- i.e., many people living beyond their means, many people choosing to remain in deadend jobs instead of having ambition to be more than average, for making the political choices we have every election day etc.

Sorry but it just seems like personal responsibility of the PEOPLE of the US is gone.  Maybe if people start taking that personal responsibility for their own mistakes and issues they created FOR THEMSELVES over the past 20 years, maybe they can start fixing it and little by little changes will be seen.

You can't blame the TOP 1% and try and lay out all of their folley's without seeing your own.

angel




tazzygirl -> RE: Income inequality (12/28/2011 8:08:42 PM)

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So you believe that there is a small group of powerful people (a subset of the 1%, I presume), outside of the government, who are deliberately keeping you and others down to effectively "gorge" themselves at your expense? Do I have this right?


A small group? Well, if you count big business as a small group, along with politicians, investors, wall street and the 1%, then sure, its a mighty big small group.




tazzygirl -> RE: Income inequality (12/28/2011 8:10:20 PM)

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Sorry but it just seems like personal responsibility of the PEOPLE of the US is gone.  Maybe if people start taking that personal responsibility for their own mistakes and issues they created FOR THEMSELVES over the past 20 years, maybe they can start fixing it and little by little changes will be seen.

You can't blame the TOP 1% and try and lay out all of their folley's without seeing your own.


Of course we have our own. Repeatedly putting the same people into office that work against the good of half their constituents. I readily agree with that.




barelynangel -> RE: Income inequality (12/28/2011 8:10:39 PM)

And yet the general population is still bigger.

lol i just realized how much like a prison that actually sounds like.




barelynangel -> RE: Income inequality (12/28/2011 8:13:16 PM)

So for the last 20 years we have been putting the "wrong" people in government or is it we have been passive in the utilization of our own power?

Personally i don't think it is necesary wrong choice but instead being passive in our own lives because we were content.  Sorry Tazzy but you are still trying to pass the buck.




tazzygirl -> RE: Income inequality (12/28/2011 8:16:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

So for the last 20 years we have been putting the "wrong" people in government or is it we have been passive in the utilization of our own power?

Personally i don't think it is necesary wrong choice but instead being passive in our own lives because we were content.  Sorry Tazzy but you are still trying to pass the buck.


Passing what buck?

Im not passing anything. I am merely explaining what people mean when they complain about "income inequality". I can actually see some of their points. I also disagree with others.




Aynne88 -> RE: Income inequality (12/28/2011 9:24:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

You want PROOF of something that DOESN'T EXIST?!!  And you say you're college educated?!! [sm=rofl.gif]LOL!!!




Um no. I am saying I would like a link to your information stating that republican's don't receive  entitlements. As far as being college educated, not really a big deal, just the facts of my life, doesn't really require your little laughing emoticon, unless of course you lack any type of higher education and feel the need to ridicule those who do out of a sense of insecurity on your part? Yeah....that.  




SilverBoat -> RE: Income inequality (12/28/2011 9:30:53 PM)

With regard to the last 20 years, various psychosocial studies have demonstrated that it only takes getting about a 10% group of a human population convinced so strongly of something (regardless of whether the something is true, false, or irrelevant) that they exhibit all the usual obstinant group-mentality traits (confirmation bias, constructive psychoses, etc, etc, etc) to make them a self-sustaining, and even self-propagating phenomena. That's been repeatedly proven and published in the journals.

What are the results and applications of that for society, culture, economics, politics, etc?

Basically, if the demagogues or whatever charlatans du-jour can get 10% of the population conned into some plausible delusion, such as belief that a  'religious' (christianity, islam, etc) or 'economic' (trickle-down, communism, etc) dogma is the *one-true-way* and all others are *enemies*, then entire group will dismiss all gross hypocrisy by their leaders, and spend their disposable resources trying to impose that belief on everybody else.

The studies only tested one-belief against the prevailing norms, cases of two or more competing beliefs (at last I read) hadn't produced definitive results.

So, to start with external examples, the Middle East and elsewhere are polluted with competing islamic sects, who upon gaining the upper hand such other sects out of jobs, gov't, etc, engage in purgings, mass-murder, wars, etc. The christians have some european examples of the same sort of intramural 10+% warfare, and versus the muslims. The 'commies' dealt with it by getting about 10% into the party cadre, to act as spies and enforcers on the rest.

And then there's the PNAC-neocon version, which involves the 1% aiming to bribe about 10% into the 'manager' class of attitude and income, and combine that with the 10% nutcase evangelicals to make sure they could control elections that only run about 40% turnout. Sure, they drag enough wannabe-superior lunatic sycophants in the next 30% along to poll more than that at times, but that's the reality nowadays: a big fraction in the top 5-10% of income vote RNC authoritarian because it really does serve their own economic interests, and another 20% of the christian devotees vote however their clergy tell them, and swath of the middle 60% income get conned into voting themselves into economic wageslavery because they're addicted to the trickle-down prosperity-gospel koolaid.

... I mean, really, how many of the posters who rant rightwing talking points here really have multi-sixfigure incomes? ... I know lots of rightwingish people in those income brackets, and there ain't a dog-one of them who spends much time on any kind of chatsite. They're mostly too busy chasing the money tree for that, and the few that are comfortably wealthy are so moderately middle-ground that they'd probably boggle that I'd even bother arguing political details with rightwing idiots. But then I'm a details guy, engineer, granular when I gotta be.

When the political phenomena present a puzzle that votes against itself, I start looking into why. And the only reasonable answer is that a lot of people have been hornswaggled, and the swagglers aren't that tricky to spot ...

LOL ...

Anyway, I was headed out of here to do some writing ... Y'all have a fun evening ...

SB




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Income inequality (12/28/2011 10:05:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

Um no. I am saying I would like a link to your information stating that republican's don't receive  entitlements.



Nice try (typical trick of the desperate Lib/Lefty)... but ya see, you're not going to be successful at your insecure FAILED attempt to try and change what I stated.  Below is what I wrote -- EXACTLY... WORD FOR WORD!!!

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

Which explains all the "redneck republicans" protesting from city to city for entitlements -- oh wait, there aren't any?!!  Shocking!!! [8|]



Thus, just as was conveyed to you, it's impossible to provide a "link" for supposed "redneck republicans protesting from city to city for entitlements" because... (drum roll)... IT DOESN'T EXIST!!!  Unfortunately for YOU, however, there are DROVES of LIBS/LEFTIES "protesting from city to city for entitlements" via the Occupy Wall Street scum-bags.

So nice try, but you failed... yet again. [8|]





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