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RE: Police in Brownesville Texas shoot 8th grader - 1/5/2012 6:38:43 AM   
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What the fuck is wrong with this place?





... that obviously kids have access to guns and everybody considers that perfectly normal ...

can o worms you opening there, and its not worth it.Seriously.

Might not "be worth it" but it is sadly all too true.This kids gun wasn't real...but all too often the gun is real...as are the ensuing deaths.

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RE: Police in Brownesville Texas shoot 8th grader - 1/5/2012 7:06:09 AM   
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You could just imagine the kerfuffle in here if another couple of kids got shot while the bluebottles were trying to coax a gun off some tooled up idiot in a school canteen, couldn't you?

It's a shame the lad got shot, but if he was that fucking stupid, then it's no great loss, really. As Bill Hicks used to say: "The earth just got lighter, we lost a moron..."

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RE: Police in Brownesville Texas shoot 8th grader - 1/5/2012 7:13:45 AM   
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Based on the article in the Associated Press the kid came to school, punched some kid in the face and the pulled out the "gun". One of the faculty saw this, the school was put on lockdown and the police were called and told there was an "armed student" in the school.

When the officers showed up, they ordered the student to drop his gun, he refused and pointed it at them. Two officers fired three shots, killing him.

Assuming this information is correct - I can't fault the actions of the officers in any way.

Ah.
I agree.

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RE: Police in Brownesville Texas shoot 8th grader - 1/5/2012 7:47:49 AM   
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I've explained to a bunch of kids a number of times over the years that at the point where the police have their firearms out and are shouting at you - don't make any sudden movements, don't run, don't joke around, freeze and do exactly what they say. It doesn't matter if you've done nothing wrong. At the point an officer has drawn his sidearm, they're already expecting they may have to use lethal force. Defuse the situation, don't pour gasoline on the fire.



IB, that's the best damn advice I've heard in a long time, am in alignment with you on this, and am always stunned how many don't naturally, instinctively get this.

It galls me to see the shenanigans, aggressiveness, and outright stupidity some display towards Peace Officers. When under the gun, it is NO time to rebel, and prove you've yet to work out your "authority issues." What poor self-preservation instincts many have.

Whether rightly or wrongly accused, questioned, detained, or arrested, use you smarts and play it polite and cool, and live to fight another day.

Moral of the day...Don't poke the tiger when he means business. Chances are, you will lose!

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RE: Police in Brownesville Texas shoot 8th grader - 1/5/2012 8:08:21 AM   
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... that obviously kids have access to guns and everybody considers that perfectly normal ...

The difference in the 2 is this.

One incident was stupid criminal activity which led to death of the perpetrator.

The other incident was stupid criminal activity which led to the death of the perpetrator.
A cock with brains....


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RE: Police in Brownesville Texas shoot 8th grader - 1/5/2012 1:18:58 PM   
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Wasn't Rule one of those blaming the Oslo youth camp shootings on an insufficiently assertive Norwegian police force in thrall to a pussified touchy feely liberal society a few months back?


If so, he wasn't the only one.

Which is not a correct assessment of the situation, but that's kind of off topic.

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RE: Police in Brownesville Texas shoot 8th grader - 1/5/2012 2:04:35 PM   
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On the other "gun thread" a woman defends herself, her child and her home from an intruder and people complain about the proliferation of guns and how the intruder was "someone's son".


Though I can't confirm the fact, Liz, I do feel pretty confident that that intruder was indeed someone's son.

Also, the main, and root, problem re this case of the 15-year-old is social and to do with the availability of guns. No matter how much the pellet gun in question looks like a Glock (and it certainly does, to me, anyway), the fact is that here in the UK, at least, both teachers and police (should the latter ever get called) would be much more likely to assume that the 'gun' was some kind of toy. The chances of a schoolkid having a real firearm here are that small.

BTW my father, who retired as a Chief Inspector with the Met Police some years ago, has himself said that the best defence for police against guns is for the police not to have them. Pfft. He was talking of British police, of course. Whatever: YMMV.


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RE: Police in Brownesville Texas shoot 8th grader - 1/5/2012 2:24:49 PM   
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Answering for myself.....no,I'm not blaming the police,but I am decrying a society that finds itself so helpless to control the rampant prolifiration of guns that we must now shoot down the children that wield them .

Lesson? Parents should teach their children not to wield a gun, especially/specifically at a police officer who has ordered them to put it down.

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RE: Police in Brownesville Texas shoot 8th grader - 1/5/2012 2:36:32 PM   
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It's a shame the lad got shot, but if he was that fucking stupid, then it's no great loss, really. As Bill Hicks used to say: "The earth just got lighter, we lost a moron..."


Those lines will no doubt soften the blow immensely should the police officer concerned ever have to explain his actions directly to the kid's mother's face, Moonie.


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RE: Police in Brownesville Texas shoot 8th grader - 1/5/2012 5:30:18 PM   
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It's a shame the lad got shot, but if he was that fucking stupid, then it's no great loss, really. As Bill Hicks used to say: "The earth just got lighter, we lost a moron..."


Those lines will no doubt soften the blow immensely should the police officer concerned ever have to explain his actions directly to the kid's mother's face, Moonie.



As a parent, isn't it your job to teach your children how to live in this world? Wouldn't that encompass things like "don't bring a gun to school" or "don't point a gun, toy or not, at cops"?

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RE: Police in Brownesville Texas shoot 8th grader - 1/5/2012 5:56:01 PM   
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On the other "gun thread" a woman defends herself, her child and her home from an intruder and people complain about the proliferation of guns and how the intruder was "someone's son".


Though I can't confirm the fact, Liz, I do feel pretty confident that that intruder was indeed someone's son.

Also, the main, and root, problem re this case of the 15-year-old is social and to do with the availability of guns. No matter how much the pellet gun in question looks like a Glock (and it certainly does, to me, anyway), the fact is that here in the UK, at least, both teachers and police (should the latter ever get called) would be much more likely to assume that the 'gun' was some kind of toy. The chances of a schoolkid having a real firearm here are that small.

BTW my father, who retired as a Chief Inspector with the Met Police some years ago, has himself said that the best defence for police against guns is for the police not to have them. Pfft. He was talking of British police, of course. Whatever: YMMV.

Society in the UK (& also Canada) is different than the US.. and too, as I understand it, the UK has gun control (& so does Canada).. those two factors make a huge difference in the death rates and the deaths caused by guns.. so I can see why you say most people in the UK would come to a different conclusion about a school kid with a gun, and what your father said..

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RE: Police in Brownesville Texas shoot 8th grader - 1/5/2012 6:28:51 PM   
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Its certainly why I rarely add my thoughts. NO one appreciates them this side of the pond

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RE: Police in Brownesville Texas shoot 8th grader - 1/6/2012 4:42:13 AM   
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It's a shame the lad got shot, but if he was that fucking stupid, then it's no great loss, really. As Bill Hicks used to say: "The earth just got lighter, we lost a moron..."


Those lines will no doubt soften the blow immensely should the police officer concerned ever have to explain his actions directly to the kid's mother's face, Moonie.



As a parent, isn't it your job to teach your children how to live in this world? Wouldn't that encompass things like "don't bring a gun to school" or "don't point a gun, toy or not, at cops"?


It is.
Of course, there are those who feel that raising their own kids is somebody else's responsibility. I wonder which category the moron's parents fell into?

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RE: Police in Brownesville Texas shoot 8th grader - 1/7/2012 12:08:12 AM   
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I saw "Texas", "8th grader", "points gun", and "gets shot dead." Anything else was just useless words: The "cops" meant nothing to me since I saw the "Texas" first. The "8th grader" part clued me in that he wanted--nay, needed--to remove himself from any more suffering in this life with such clear and utter stupidity. Texans learn by 2nd grade that if you're going to pull a gun out, even just pointing it up in the sky, chances are you're going to get shot by everyone and anyone who happened to see him with a gun.

Sad, yes. I wouldn't say it was a tragedy though. More like wearing a juicy, blood oozing steak around your neck and going in to a hungry lion's den with the expectation that the lion will just lay there and and let you beat and abuse it. Either one of those alone is just plain stupid. Putting them both together.. I would salute you for doing the rest of humanity a favor and offing yourself before you breed.

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RE: Police in Brownesville Texas shoot 8th grader - 1/7/2012 12:21:50 AM   
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RE: Police in Brownesville Texas shoot 8th grader - 1/7/2012 12:26:19 AM   
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RE: Police in Brownesville Texas shoot 8th grader - 1/7/2012 1:07:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		This made me remember something from my youth.
Almost all of our fathers/ uncles/ neighbors etc served in World War 2.
There was *no shortage* of military rifles in their atticks and cellars. U.S., German, Jap., Italian. Some Russian ones too. We'd read the markings on them.
"Hey Mrs Burke, where did this gun come from, we can't read it."
"Oh, Sean took it off a dead Jap when he was in the Marines."
Of course we'd take them outside and play Army with them! Never a problem.
And in grammar school the Boy Scouts would bring in their .22 rifles to go to the gun range after school.
They'd stack them up in a tee pee formation in the back of the classroom.
And in the 60's it was nothing to see a kid or two with rifles slung over their shoulders walking down a main street to go to the range or a sand pit.
The cops would drive right by.
And this was in a city just nine miles north of Boston.
Guys would carry .38's in their jacket pockets. It just wasn't a big deal.

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RE: Police in Brownesville Texas shoot 8th grader - 1/8/2012 8:57:27 PM   
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On the other "gun thread" a woman defends herself, her child and her home from an intruder and people complain about the proliferation of guns and how the intruder was "someone's son". Here a teenager aims what appears to be a deadly weapon at police and refuses to drop it and is shot and yet the police are chastised.

What the fuck is wrong with this place?





lol....it's fucking unreal the hypocrisy that runs rampant here. Sit back and watch.


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RE: Police in Brownesville Texas shoot 8th grader - 1/9/2012 3:47:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Its sad a child died however he was asked repeatedly to drop his weapon. The cops had no other choice & no way knowing it was a pellet gun.

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RE: Police in Brownesville Texas shoot 8th grader - 1/9/2012 5:13:52 AM   
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A marine on one base I was stationed at shotgunned an 8 year old - that was back in the Eighties, when they came out with those battery powered squirt guns that looked like UZI's.

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