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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/13/2012 10:33:28 PM   
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... God insults them.


Colloquially stated, it is called a bitch slap.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/13/2012 11:26:41 PM   
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1 You have to be catholic to become a mason, no other christian faith is allowed to become one.
Why? To form a guild(society) of a certain profession in the old days you had to be approved by state and since church and state was not divided yet, church had to approve of it too.
Logical choice was to be a catholic society.



As a lapsed Catholic, I can tell you this is wrong. The Catholic church does not allow masonry. They consider it a different religion and you can't be a mason and still be a Catholic.

As to what goes on covertly? There's no doubt in my mind that masons infiltrated the vatican, long ago but, as a teaching of the church, this is a mortal sin.




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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/14/2012 12:10:03 AM   
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There is room for something new and exciting

That's "Exciting and New". It was called "The Love Boat" (The Drug Boat on b.com).


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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/14/2012 12:10:29 AM   
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_ban_of_Freemasonry Retrieved 13 March 2012

The leadership of the Roman Catholic Church has long been an outspoken critic of Freemasonry, first prohibiting Catholics from joining the fraternity in 1738. Since then, the Vatican has made several pronouncements forbidding Catholics from becoming Freemasons under threat of excommunication. Although there was some confusion of the issue following Vatican Council II, the Church still prohibits membership in the Freemasons because it believes that the principles of Freemasonry and the teaching of the Catholic Church are irreconcilable. A 1983 statement from the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith approved by Pope John Paul II stated "The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion." and "... membership in them (Masonic associations) remains forbidden."


From theoretical point of view, this is not relevant to the discussion, but it is from a practical point of view in that you do not want to give people ideas. The decline of Masonry has resulted in a rise of atheism. The United States was never a strong hold of the Church. So take your pick, Atheists verses Freemasons. It is possible that with the decline of Masonry, Masonry became infected. People today worry whether or not the Church has become infected due to its decline as well.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/14/2012 12:14:31 AM   
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And the religious wars that have been fought for millenia, the oppression, the superstition passed as fact...are better?

This sort of of non-thought is why I try to avoid these discussions.
Now, some of these discussions can be quite illuminating. Those proferred by OPie, however, tend to be solipsist self-absorbed pseudo-intellectual fapfests.


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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/14/2012 12:21:28 AM   
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Now, some of these discussions can be quite illuminating. Those proferred by OPie, however, tend to be solipsist self-absorbed pseudo-intellectual fapfests.


And you put it so nicely.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/14/2012 7:46:38 AM   
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Even the smallest of sins is wicked. Few are called to achieve moral perfection. Above all do not stand in the way of those who are.
What makes you think moral perfection is possible?

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/14/2012 7:48:58 AM   
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In a world run by hopeless atheists, what xssve said is true.


So merely asserting a belief in an invisible deity is like a get out of jail free card?

So which is it? Does your salvation come from within or without?

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/14/2012 7:51:00 AM   
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Atheism appears to come in two varieties. Those who can cope with moral contradiction and those who cannot.


That's people, those who cannot cope with moral contradiction become dualists.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/14/2012 8:25:24 AM   
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So which is it? Does your salvation come from within or without?


Why must you ask me such silly questions? It is both. Isn't that obvious?

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/14/2012 8:51:02 AM   
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It's a central question in theology, really, the central dividing point in all of Christianity, splitting it into Two camps, and has been since at least Montanus: Traducianism vs. Creationism, so I'm guessing you just don't know what the hell I'm talking about.

I'll let your evasion stand while you google right quick.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/14/2012 6:17:13 PM   
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1 You have to be catholic to become a mason, no other christian faith is allowed to become one.
Why? To form a guild(society) of a certain profession in the old days you had to be approved by state and since church and state was not divided yet, church had to approve of it too.
Logical choice was to be a catholic society.



As a lapsed Catholic, I can tell you this is wrong. The Catholic church does not allow masonry. They consider it a different religion and you can't be a mason and still be a Catholic.

As to what goes on covertly? There's no doubt in my mind that masons infiltrated the vatican, long ago but, as a teaching of the church, this is a mortal sin.

Peace and comfort,

Michael



hahahahahahahahaha....not exactly like the Catholic Church and sinful activities aren't welded so tightly as if they were in fact one word expressing exactly and precisely the other.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/14/2012 6:24:42 PM   
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It's a central question in theology, really, the central dividing point in all of Christianity, splitting it into Two camps, and has been since at least Montanus: Traducianism vs. Creationism, so I'm guessing you just don't know what the hell I'm talking about.

I'll let your evasion stand while you google right quick.


It is not a central dividing point at all. It is all rubbish. It is an illusion. Like the illusion that atheism is special.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/14/2012 6:30:46 PM   
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It is not a central dividing point at all. It is all rubbish. It is an illusion. Like the illusion that atheism is special.


I don't think atheists really care about whether anyone thinks they're 'special', BM. In particular they don't care what religionists think about them. The opinions that religionists have of them just don't matter. Sorry, but there it is.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/14/2012 6:40:36 PM   
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You need to realize that you are addressing someone that has achieved enlightenment. Not all that I say will be consistent with established conventions. To point this out is to point out your ignorance.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/14/2012 8:54:58 PM   
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We stand corrected, I suspect we'll be reading about you in the news any day now.



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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/14/2012 9:01:02 PM   
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We stand corrected, I suspect we'll be reading about you in the news any day now.



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solipsist self-absorbed pseudo-intellectual fapfests.

As I said. The OPie fapping to a pic of himself is not beyond the realm of possibility.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/14/2012 9:47:33 PM   
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But he's enlightened, dammit!

I'm afraid the news will probably be in the police reports, I would suggest professional help before you do something really dumb BM, I ain't jokin'.

Anyway, another common religious misconception is the notion that secular and atheist are the same thing, they're not, but getting past that point with "chosen ones" is next to impossible.

The major differences in terms of religion is deism vs. theism, integrational duality vs. oppositional duality, it's a heavy split.

In Christianity, Traducianism means you inherit your soul from your parents, the same way you do your body - this is in line with standard Christian idea of original sin: perfection, like BM is talking about here, is impossible, sin is inescapable, and although the idea is abused, it's essentially in line with with the gnostic conception of the world, and everything in it, as imperfect and inherently prone to corruption, we just do the best we can, so in a lot of ways, it's a relatively realistic paradigm.

Creationism, in this context, means that god creates your soul for you, it distances you from the rest of humanity, makes you special, exceptionalism, deludes you into thinking you can attain perfection. It tends to manifest as oppositional dualism often results in violent attempts to squelch alternative viewpoints, it's typically a very militant type of belief system.

You can't be wrong if there's nobody there to tell you so, and it seems to correlate with a whole range of ASPD's. Authoritarian and despotic, it seems most common in monotheistic religions. I'm not sure, but it's possible that because monotheism involves the denial of one parent, usually the mother, it generates a neurotic sort of cognitive dissonance that makes people crazy. Or they're already crazy so it makes sense to them, take your pick.

BM is leaning pretty heavily towards creationism here.

Hinduism, which is based in integrational duality, and Traducianist, does allow the attainment of perfection, but this is generally thought to take a few tries, via reincarnation, and generally speaking, it eschews violence as means of attaining it.

Nor, I believe, can you attain actual perfection while you remain in this world, you just don't have to keep being reborn.

Interestingly, the gospels are a reincarnation myth, although they call it resurrection, and it differs from integrational dualism in that the oppositional conflict is not cyclical, but terminal.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/14/2012 10:33:08 PM   
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You have more respect for me than you are willing to admit.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/14/2012 10:56:40 PM   
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another common religious misconception is the notion that secular and atheist are the same thing.


It is theoretically impossible to have a perfectly level playing field and not embrace atheism as your core belief; consequently, what you wrote is nonsense.

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