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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: msub4real
The only thing unique is that you would be paying for it. Paying for it is an act of humiliation in and of itself. Nothing says you're worthless more than having to pay someone for intimate needs. On that score it's a win . . . .

You know, I've never thought of that before: humiliation is a factor in paying for a sesh with a pro-domme.

I could never get past the idea that if you're paying for a service, then the person performing the service must be a servant - and a servant can't be a dominant, by definition. Cheers for the insight!

Rubbish comparison, your doctor or dentist gets paid, does that make them your servant or can they say "No peon, we're not going to give you boobs/fangs, find somebody else, not what we do or want to do!" You're going to a concert, you're paying to see a band, think they're your servants? You're fixing up somebody's house and they want you to do something you don't do (for whatever reasons), are you a servant who has to agree or can you tell them to buzz off? In case you agree and you do it, you're still your own agent and not a servant. Getting paid for something you do well and happen to enjoy doing doesn't make you a servant, it simply means you're a professional who can charge for a service and pick the people.

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ORIGINAL: subbyinlosangele


I wouldn't call a pro domme a servant. They are a service provider.

And if you are willing to pull out some cash, you can find someone to provide any service you want and, as the buyer, you can dictate any parameters you want.

I suppose some people might feel humiliation paying for a domme. But I also suspect that a lot don't. They are simply buying the experience and/or fantasy they want.

But that's all conjecture on my part. I've never been with a pro domme and have no interest in that.

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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK
I'd want someone to feed Me because I was hungry.

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ORIGINAL: Kainundeva

well pro dommes ARE whores and that´s fully ok, i don´t see a problem with that.
that´s what the pro stands for. pros pay their taxes, have their legal registered trade and pay their social security, regardless if they are dommes or "normal" whores. at least over here... there is no difference made. and they are in the same union.
if you try to put the pro dommes on a higher level, you degrade "ordinary" whores with that, and they do not deserve that. because as there are dommes who do this for fun, i also know normal girls that do this for fun. i know a girl from another city that is in munich during the week to work in a brothel, without her husband knowing... he´s away during the week and she´s bored.
on the other hand i know students who domme for earning money while studying, and i know a "normal" girl who finances her life with escort+ while studying to become a lawyer...

i think the big problem is that some look down on "whores" and try to seperate themselves from that, and that is the real problem they should fix.

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ORIGINAL: Kainundeva

well pro dommes ARE whores and that´s fully ok, i don´t see a problem with that.
that´s what the pro stands for. pros pay their taxes, have their legal registered trade and pay their social security, regardless if they are dommes or "normal" whores. at least over here... there is no difference made. and they are in the same union.
if you try to put the pro dommes on a higher level, you degrade "ordinary" whores with that, and they do not deserve that. because as there are dommes who do this for fun, i also know normal girls that do this for fun. i know a girl from another city that is in munich during the week to work in a brothel, without her husband knowing... he´s away during the week and she´s bored.
on the other hand i know students who domme for earning money while studying, and i know a "normal" girl who finances her life with escort+ while studying to become a lawyer...

i think the big problem is that some look down on "whores" and try to seperate themselves from that, and that is the real problem they should fix.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Kainundeva

well pro dommes ARE whores and that´s fully ok, i don´t see a problem with that.
that´s what the pro stands for. pros pay their taxes, have their legal registered trade and pay their social security, regardless if they are dommes or "normal" whores. at least over here... there is no difference made. and they are in the same union.
if you try to put the pro dommes on a higher level, you degrade "ordinary" whores with that, and they do not deserve that. because as there are dommes who do this for fun, i also know normal girls that do this for fun. i know a girl from another city that is in munich during the week to work in a brothel, without her husband knowing... he´s away during the week and she´s bored.
on the other hand i know students who domme for earning money while studying, and i know a "normal" girl who finances her life with escort+ while studying to become a lawyer...

i think the big problem is that some look down on "whores" and try to seperate themselves from that, and that is the real problem they should fix.

Two things, first pro means professional and that means you get paid for it. It you have a problem with that concept, think about pro sports.
Second...did you just call all dommes whores? Do you even know what a whore is?

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
Rubbish comparison, your doctor or dentist gets paid, does that make them your servant or can they say "No peon, we're not going to give you boobs/fangs, find somebody else, not what we do or want to do!" You're going to a concert, you're paying to see a band, think they're your servants? You're fixing up somebody's house and they want you to do something you don't do (for whatever reasons), are you a servant who has to agree or can you tell them to buzz off? In case you agree and you do it, you're still your own agent and not a servant. Getting paid for something you do well and happen to enjoy doing doesn't make you a servant, it simply means you're a professional who can charge for a service and pick the people.

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ORIGINAL: Kainundeva

well pro dommes ARE whores and that´s fully ok, i don´t see a problem with that.
that´s what the pro stands for. pros pay their taxes, have their legal registered trade and pay their social security, regardless if they are dommes or "normal" whores. at least over here... there is no difference made. and they are in the same union.
if you try to put the pro dommes on a higher level, you degrade "ordinary" whores with that, and they do not deserve that. because as there are dommes who do this for fun, i also know normal girls that do this for fun. i know a girl from another city that is in munich during the week to work in a brothel, without her husband knowing... he´s away during the week and she´s bored.
on the other hand i know students who domme for earning money while studying, and i know a "normal" girl who finances her life with escort+ while studying to become a lawyer...

i think the big problem is that some look down on "whores" and try to seperate themselves from that, and that is the real problem they should fix.

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ORIGINAL: Kainundeva

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Kainundeva

well pro dommes ARE whores and that´s fully ok, i don´t see a problem with that.
that´s what the pro stands for. pros pay their taxes, have their legal registered trade and pay their social security, regardless if they are dommes or "normal" whores. at least over here... there is no difference made. and they are in the same union.
if you try to put the pro dommes on a higher level, you degrade "ordinary" whores with that, and they do not deserve that. because as there are dommes who do this for fun, i also know normal girls that do this for fun. i know a girl from another city that is in munich during the week to work in a brothel, without her husband knowing... he´s away during the week and she´s bored.
on the other hand i know students who domme for earning money while studying, and i know a "normal" girl who finances her life with escort+ while studying to become a lawyer...

i think the big problem is that some look down on "whores" and try to seperate themselves from that, and that is the real problem they should fix.

Two things, first pro means professional and that means you get paid for it. It you have a problem with that concept, think about pro sports.
Second...did you just call all dommes whores? Do you even know what a whore is?

yes. it is a legal trade and they have a union over here, and i mean union like the transport workers union. registered under "special services - leisure tourism and wellness", they call themselves whores union and pro dommes are organised in that as well.
don´t know about USA.
i think you have a strange view over there on that matter anyway. whores just earn their money with sex, and they do call themselves whores, no matter if pro dommes or other sex workers. they walk together here.
it´s funny that we are on a sm board and you still find that uptight views here.
we don´t look down on whores, you know...

http://www.hydra-ev.org/master/start.html is existing since 1980 and is since 1985 recieving government money for organising for example tax accountants, the union, whore congresses ( yes, they call it whore congresses, and the legally working dommes show up there as well ). now tell me why it should be strange to call a domme a whore if they do it themselves? the german word for whore is "hure", and it´s used in a quite normal way.
and the sex workers over here are loyal to each other, instead of trying to seperate from each other, only in that way they reached everything they have here now. think about that.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

The difference is that I have to feel that the woman is doing whatever she's doing because *she* wants to do it. It's part of the way I see a dominant. I can't feel that she's 'doing it for me'. I need to know that she's being selfish, in some very fundamental way. I couldn't bear the thought of faked excitement on her part. I find that thought really dismal.

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

You mean she should do it absolutely and selfishly for free, the fact that she might get paid for something she enjoys doing to you would ruin your fun because that's not selfish enough?

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You come up with all sorts of why it would be bad and horrible for you, that's like me going to the dentist, I work myself up in such a frenzy and fear, that I am convinced it's going to be bad and hurt, and guess what, then it usually does.

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

OK, then how do you manage to have sex with a girl?

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

OK, then how do you manage to have sex with a girl?

I don't know. I can't remember.

God, Lady C, you and your hub aren't planning to *force* me to go to a pro-Domme, are you? Bundled into a van, bound and gagged and with a cheque pinned to my chest?

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Though I do have a friend who is still working as a pro domme and I think you might just be her type, when I'm back on the continent, maybe I should invite both of you over and say she has the run of my box of tricks... Might just blow your mind ;)

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Though I do have a friend who is still working as a pro domme and I think you might just be her type, when I'm back on the continent, maybe I should invite both of you over and say she has the run of my box of tricks... Might just blow your mind ;)

Is this the same friend who ran off just before I arrived at your place?

I think if I were to get the right vibe from a woman, pretty much anything would blow my mind. In fact, if said woman did nothing at all with whips, floggers, chains or anything else, she'd still blow my mind. You're talking to a man who once got a raging hard-on just because a femdom told him to go and buy her a packet of cigs, Lady C. It's all about the vibes . . . .