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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/5/2012 4:23:00 AM

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So are cons simply defending Zimmerman because normal regular people(liberals) want an investigation?

This shit get`s stranger by the day.

Actually, I think the cons are defending this guy cause they are afraid he will make a law the NRA jerks off to look bad. I mean, the law effectively says you can pull your gun and shoot folks if you think they are breaking the law. Of course the first time a black guy uses the law to shoot a white kid, they will shit a brick.

How is waiting for an investigation defending Zimmerman? Just because some decide to wait before passing judgement, doesn't make the Zimmerman defenders.

Frankly you progressives look awfully blood thirsty proclaiming Zimmerman guilty, and demanding "justice"... Not very tolerant of you

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/5/2012 4:27:24 AM

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How is waiting for an investigation defending Zimmerman? Just because some decide to wait before passing judgement, doesn't make the Zimmerman defenders.

Aside from every cop I talk to agreeing that there's no reason to wait and that the initial investigator's idea to charge manslaughter was -- and still is -- correct?

That means there is no reason to wait for the grand jury. Dust off the Felony Information which the detective had already put together, swear to the facts, and file it with the court clerk. The next thing is the DA then goes to the Judge, and the Judge issues an arrest warrant.

You know, like every other felony prosecution in the country.

Of course, the only reason to wait for a Grand Jury is if you're going to make a capital case for premeditation, then you'd want all your additional evidence sorted out. So, in a lot of ways the only one who suffers from dragging this out is Zimmerman.

If dear-old-dad didn't try so save George's bacon one-more-time, George Zimmerman PROBABLY would have been charged, bailed out, arraigned, and if his defense was competent, sold this half-baked story as an actual self-defense claim for dismissal. But now everyone's paying REAL CLOSE ATTENTION

And so claims like "I chased after him so... um.. I could report his location to 9-1-1 -- who I hung up on, so I couldn't report his location to 9-1-1..." and "The Crazy Negro ( who I think was smoking marihuana ) just snapped!" are going to get a lot more scrutiny than before.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/5/2012 5:40:47 AM

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How is waiting for an investigation defending Zimmerman? Just because some decide to wait before passing judgement, doesn't make the Zimmerman defenders.

Frankly you progressives look awfully blood thirsty proclaiming Zimmerman guilty, and demanding "justice"... Not very tolerant of you

There would be no investigations without the demands for justice.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/5/2012 5:53:35 AM

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Why is that cons feel obliged to defend this killer and attack to the kid?

Message to republicans.......no one gives a fuck what you think about this case.

exactly its not about whether or not Zimmerman is guilty, you already know he is

Actually, we have no clue if he is or isn't. Now I believe he is guilty, but I have no facts to prove it. Big difference between the two.

Now that won't stop some people from claiming to have all knowing power and keep spouting their opinions as facts. Nor will it stop some of the political bigots from trying to turn this into another left vs. right bullshit fest, but I don't expect much from them in the first place.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/5/2012 6:10:43 AM

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If the FDLE and FBI scrubbing the 9-1-1 tapes shows conclusively that Trayvon Martin was begging for his life before Zimmerman killed him?

If your wet dream, above, comes true I will join you in calling for the death penalty.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/5/2012 6:11:59 AM

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(1) How do you explain his impaired judgment and (2) how do you explain the poorly executed police investigation of the crime scene?

1. None proven
2. See above

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(1) How do you explain his impaired judgment and (2) how do you explain the poorly executed police investigation of the crime scene?

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/5/2012 6:27:10 AM

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I think he is a cop wannabe that saw too many Charles Bronson flicks and found himself in over his head.

Pretty much Bingo. Except that, of course, he is still above water. And ground.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/5/2012 6:35:21 AM

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Actually, I think the cons are defending this guy cause they are afraid he will make a law the NRA jerks off to look bad.

Actually, the stand your ground doctrine has been around for a long time....

Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes expressed the unanimous opinion of the court “that if a man reasonably believes that he is in immediate danger of death or grievous bodily harm from his assailant he may stand his ground and that if he kills him he has not succeededthe bounds of lawful self-defense. … Detached reflection cannot be demanded in the presence of an uplifted knife” (Brown v. United States, 1921).

It should be repugnant to any man that he should be forced by law to retreat from an attack on his home, his person, or his family. Repugnant.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/5/2012 6:37:22 AM

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Aside from every cop I talk to agreeing that there's no reason to wait

Assuming this is true, how greatly do you think their agreement is simply feigned as a way to get rid of you?

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/5/2012 6:49:16 AM

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He does not have to be a KKK member to suspiciously overreact and shoot dead an unarmed [black] teenager.

Seriously, I mean seriously. There are very few things that I find more abhorrent than a man chasing down a child who's on the way home from the candy store and shooting him to death.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/5/2012 7:16:12 AM

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Actually, I think the cons are defending this guy cause they are afraid he will make a law the NRA jerks off to look bad.

Actually, the stand your ground doctrine has been around for a long time....

Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes expressed the unanimous opinion of the court “that if a man reasonably believes that he is in immediate danger of death or grievous bodily harm from his assailant he may stand his ground and that if he kills him he has not succeededthe bounds of lawful self-defense. … Detached reflection cannot be demanded in the presence of an uplifted knife” (Brown v. United States, 1921).

It should be repugnant to any man that he should be forced by law to retreat from an attack on his home, his person, or his family. Repugnant.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2017901646_gunlaws04.html
"The stand your ground law was one of many laws that got their start in Florida"
Now granted, I agree that you should not be required to retreat from an attack, but my understanding of the way the law is written, Zimmerman may be able to argue that he chased the kid down and shot him to prevent a crime-which isn't standing your ground by my thinking.
"He was trespassing, I told him so, so he left. I had to chase him a mile before I could shoot him for trespassing." Does that sound like a law abiding citizen, or a wacko?

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/5/2012 8:00:25 AM

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Aside from every cop I talk to agreeing that there's no reason to wait

Assuming this is true, how greatly do you think their agreement is simply feigned as a way to get rid of you?

You're assuming they haven't had ample opportunity in the past to 'get rid of me'...

You are, of course, incorrect.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/5/2012 8:26:26 AM

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If the FDLE and FBI scrubbing the 9-1-1 tapes shows conclusively that Trayvon Martin was begging for his life before Zimmerman killed him?

If your wet dream, above, comes true I will join you in calling for the death penalty.

I don't think the Death penalty would come into play here.

The death penalty is only for murder 1 (premeditated and planned). The defense wouldn't have a very hard time showing that Zimmerman didn't know that Martin even existed prior to seeing him that night. As such, it would be a "Crime of opportunity".

Just an opinion.

I'm looking at negligent homocide at worst.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/5/2012 8:48:30 AM

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The window for 'premeditation' is minutes. He could have formulated his plan as soon as he saw his victim walking by himself.

That would explain why he ended his call to 9-1-1 while pursuing Martin.

That would explain breaking all the neighborhood watch rules.

That would explain "These assholes always get away".

Well, George Zimmerman made SURE that Trayvon Martin couldn't get away...

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/5/2012 9:13:23 AM

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"He was trespassing, I told him so, so he left. I had to chase him a mile before I could shoot him for trespassing." Does that sound like a law abiding citizen, or a wacko?

If that's your characterization of this situation, I'm not sure Zimmerman is the wacko.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/5/2012 9:17:00 AM

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"The stand your ground law was one of many laws that got their start in Florida"

Perhaps the Florida law predates 1921.
Or the Seattle Times got it wrong (imagine that- a newspaper getting something wrong!)

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/5/2012 4:01:33 PM

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It should be repugnant to any man that he should be forced by law to retreat from an attack on his home, his person, or his family. Repugnant.

Well we all know Zimmerman wasnt in danger, since the dispatcher told him not to follow the kid.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/5/2012 4:03:26 PM

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How is waiting for an investigation defending Zimmerman? Just because some decide to wait before passing judgement, doesn't make the Zimmerman defenders.

Frankly you progressives look awfully blood thirsty proclaiming Zimmerman guilty, and demanding "justice"... Not very tolerant of you

There would be no investigations without the demands for justice.

Nice post Kalik.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/5/2012 6:03:49 PM

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It should be repugnant to any man that he should be forced by law to retreat from an attack on his home, his person, or his family. Repugnant.

Well we all know Zimmerman wasnt in danger, since the dispatcher told him not to follow the kid.

What he`s trying to say is that anyone should be able to run head-long into any possible danger and be able to shoot their way back out at the slightest thought that their life is in danger,even if that means some innocent people get killed..............innocent families destroyed.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/5/2012 7:34:59 PM

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It should be repugnant to any man that he should be forced by law to retreat from an attack on his home, his person, or his family. Repugnant.

I'll agree with that to a point but if someone is stupid enough to go to overtown on a saturday night and stand on top of his car yelling racial slurs, he doesn't have the right to defense any more. He put himself in that situation.

In other words, if you leave safety and go out of your way to do something monumentally stupid, you lose those rights of defense.

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