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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/6/2012 9:55:07 PM

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Nah, Hill you don't know what a sock is.

You are pretty ignorant about a lot of things.

But it does say a lot (about you)that you are trying to derail this thread and talk about me, while I am trying to talk about a political issue.

But internet tuff guys are a rather pathetic lot. especially ones that hide behind the mods.

ESPECIALLY the ones that just attack people and keep that profile hidden.

Sorry, luckydawg, this profile of yours will be gone soon just like the last one.
You can accuse people of ganging up on you and hiding "behind the mods" (whatever the fuck that is) all day long but until you can take responsibility for your own actions LIKE A CONSERVATIVE, you'll just be a net troll.

Please keep those accusations coming, it just lets everyone know what you are.
I'm guessing this one of your profiles will be gone in 24 hours but that's ok. You'll start another one. What else is there to do in a basement?

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/7/2012 4:18:34 AM

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That's interesting that you just arrived here and you're familiar with what happened 2 weeks ago.

All I would like to ask is which banned personage are you a sock for?

You got that too huh.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/7/2012 5:07:32 AM

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There is no evidence of him chasing Trayvon

The 9-1-1 tape where he hangs up on the 9-1-1 operator because he's too busy chasing Trayvon Martin says differently.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/7/2012 5:13:41 AM

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So what do you want him charged with? Murder or manslaughter? Have you changed your opinion that George Zimmerman plotted and hunted down Trayvon Martin and killed him in cold blood?

The investigating officer wanted to charge Manslaughter, which is supported by the uncontested facts. I believe a case can be made for muderder 1. If I had the luxury of waiting almost 2 weeks for a Grand Jury, I'd go in looking for indictment on capital murder, and then go with whatever lesser includeds, including the slam-dunk manslaughter charge

Either way, Zimmerman can tell his story to a Judge and justice is served.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/7/2012 5:15:04 AM

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Welcome to the killfile.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/7/2012 5:41:44 AM

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That's interesting that you just arrived here and you're familiar with what happened 2 weeks ago.

All I would like to ask is which banned personage are you a sock for?

You got that too huh.

It's luckydawg.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/7/2012 7:41:05 AM

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/7/2012 8:24:20 AM

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Silly question:
Is anyone arguing that he shouldn't go before a judge?
If not, then we are speculating on something a judge will decide, aka wasting our time. The court will decide.
The only useful purpose of this thread is to make sure that the case does in fact go before a judge, making sure that any political pressure is properly countered by public pressure to make sure that justice is not derailed by politics. Once it is certain to go before a judge all our conjecture is both meaningless and counterproductive.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/7/2012 8:30:23 AM

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Actually, Softbonds, there are numerous folks saying he shouldn't go before a judge.
On the other end of the spectrum, there are those who are claiming Murder 1 and he should go to the chair. I'm thinking more negligent homocide because it was his damn stupidity that created a situation where someone died. This is a felony and he will have to surrender his carry permit.
This will be a relief to other gun owners like yours truly that one less dumbass has firearms.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/7/2012 8:36:51 AM

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Actually, Softbonds, there are numerous folks saying he shouldn't go before a judge.
On the other end of the spectrum, there are those who are claiming Murder 1 and he should go to the chair. I'm thinking more negligent homocide because it was his damn stupidity that created a situation where someone died. This is a felony and he will have to surrender his carry permit.
This will be a relief to other gun owners like yours truly that one less dumbass has firearms.

Somebody died, so someone should be investigated. If he did nothing wrong, he should look forward to his day in court to be exonerated, as should his supporters. The only reason to try to avoid a trial is if he is guilty...
A police officer shoots an armed felon while said felon is shooting at the officer, the officer is investigated (generally an open and shut case, but still). I don't see why a neighborhood watch guy should get any more favorable treatment than any cities finest.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/7/2012 8:50:25 AM

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If he did nothing wrong, he should look forward to his day in court to be exonerated ...

If he did nothing wrong, why should he have to go before a jury (Not a judge, usually)?

I am not sure he did anything that isn't within Florida law. I'm also not sure that he didn't do anything wrong. The people who get to decide that (initially) are the Sandford PD and the Prosecutor's office.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/7/2012 9:00:25 AM

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If he did nothing wrong, he should look forward to his day in court to be exonerated ...

If he did nothing wrong, why should he have to go before a jury (Not a judge, usually)?

I am not sure he did anything that isn't within Florida law. I'm also not sure that he didn't do anything wrong. The people who get to decide that (initially) are the Sandford PD and the Prosecutor's office.

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Even if I was backed into the bedroom with a couple of children hiding behind me before I had to cut someone in half with a shotgun, my expectation is that I would be explaining myself to a judge in due time.
Maybe it's right, maybe it isnt but I would expect to end up in a courtroom charged with discharging a firearm in the city limits if nothing else. I would also expect that I'd walk after a very short deliberation by a jury of my peers.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/7/2012 9:00:35 AM

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If he did nothing wrong, he should look forward to his day in court to be exonerated ...

If he did nothing wrong, why should he have to go before a jury (Not a judge, usually)?

I am not sure he did anything that isn't within Florida law. I'm also not sure that he didn't do anything wrong. The people who get to decide that (initially) are the Sandford PD and the Prosecutor's office.

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Either a person is dead, or a person is not dead.
If a person is dead, the shooter should be happy to have a full investigation to exonerate themselves.
If not, then it implies guilt.
If someone is trying to get that person out of a potential investigation, it implies that person believes the shooter is guilty.
Going to court is a hassle, sure, but if you have killed someone, wouldn't you want to have a full investigation to show the world that you did nothing wrong? I pointed out the example of a police officer, that is standard practice!
Why is zimmerman better than a police officer? Or are you trying to get him out of an investigation because you believe he is guilty?

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/7/2012 9:07:09 AM

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If he did nothing wrong, he should look forward to his day in court to be exonerated ...

If he did nothing wrong, why should he have to go before a jury (Not a judge, usually)?

I am not sure he did anything that isn't within Florida law. I'm also not sure that he didn't do anything wrong. The people who get to decide that (initially) are the Sandford PD and the Prosecutor's office.

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Ummmm...because he shot and killed someone......the trial, is where guilt is proven.....that`s what a trial is for.

So IF he did nothing wrong,George has little to worry about.....

If he did do something wrong....George has lots to worry about.....

That`s why "Team Zimmerman" is going Team-OJ on us.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/7/2012 9:07:26 AM

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Even if I was backed into the bedroom with a couple of children hiding behind me before I had to cut someone in half with a shotgun, my expectation is that I would be explaining myself to a judge in due time.
Maybe it's right, maybe it isnt but I would expect to end up in a courtroom charged with discharging a firearm in the city limits if nothing else. I would also expect that I'd walk after a very short deliberation by a jury of my peers.

If the place where you live has laws/ordinances that say you were in the wrong, you're right.

But, if the police and and prosecutor look at your case (protecting your children) and decide that you didn't do anything wrong, why should I have the ability to demand that you stand trial?

I understand your point and I agree but, if the law is written in such a way that he found a "loophole", he needs to walk. Get pissed off and change the law but, you can't hold people accountable if their actions are lawful.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/7/2012 9:10:08 AM

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Ummmm...because he shot and killed someone......the trial, is where guilt is proven.....that`s what a trial is for.

So IF he did nothing wrong,George has little to worry about.....

If he did do something wrong....George has lots to worry about.....

That`s why "Team Zimmerman" is going Team-OJ on us.

Owner, I think you should stand trial, here in NJ, for driving a legally registered car that is fully insured and fully operable, within the speed limit while not under the influence of any mind-altering substances.

There's no evidence to suggest that your in violation of any law that's on the books but I want you to stand trial, anyway.

Really?

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/7/2012 9:17:37 AM

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Even if I was backed into the bedroom with a couple of children hiding behind me before I had to cut someone in half with a shotgun, my expectation is that I would be explaining myself to a judge in due time.
Maybe it's right, maybe it isnt but I would expect to end up in a courtroom charged with discharging a firearm in the city limits if nothing else. I would also expect that I'd walk after a very short deliberation by a jury of my peers.

If the place where you live has laws/ordinances that say you were in the wrong, you're right.

But, if the police and and prosecutor look at your case (protecting your children) and decide that you didn't do anything wrong, why should I have the ability to demand that you stand trial?

I understand your point and I agree but, if the law is written in such a way that he found a "loophole", he needs to walk. Get pissed off and change the law but, you can't hold people accountable if their actions are lawful.

Peace and comfort,

Michael

Well, another distinction is that zimmerman has political (meaning social connections, not party related BS) links with people in the legal system. If he escapes trial for that reason, instead of for the reasons you mention, is that not a miscarriage of justice?
If that miscarriage of justice were perceived to have occurred, would it not be completely appropriate and moral to try him in the court of public opinion?
Of course, given the difference in the burden of proof rules in the latter court, if I were innocent I'd much prefer the legal system.

Edit 1: Sorry DS, I quoted the wrong quote, assume I was quoting your other post. Re-edit: it is ugly, but I think I have the right post in there now.
Edit 2: If I were Zimmerman, and I were innocent, I would want a trial. If I were Zimmerman, and I were guilty, I would not. If I supported Zimmerman, and I thought he was innocent, I would want a trial. If I supported Zimmerman (due to family ties or politics), and I thought he was guilty, I would not want a trial.
I realize you have a different perception, but from my perception, arguing that he should not have a trial implies guilt. That is what I am trying to point out.

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/7/2012 9:38:02 AM

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Edit 2: If I were Zimmerman, and I were innocent, I would want a trial. If I were Zimmerman, and I were guilty, I would not. If I supported Zimmerman, and I thought he was innocent, I would want a trial. If I supported Zimmerman (due to family ties or politics), and I thought he was guilty, I would not want a trial.
I realize you have a different perception, but from my perception, arguing that he should not have a trial implies guilt. That is what I am trying to point out.

I understand what you're trying to point out but you're POV is a bit skewed. Let's put you in the hot seat.

You've done something that on the surface seems to be against the law. The law says you were totally within your rights.

Are you seriously telling me that you would vie for standing trial (paying a lawyer, potentially causing problems with your employer because of missed time, fearing that something might go wrong and you might get convicted, anyway) as opposed to the PD and Prosecutor saying: "It's a fucked up situation but you were within the letter of the law. Have a nice life"?

Let's also think about the social stigma and the NBPP and other racists trying to hunt you down and putting out "WANTED" posters.

You can't seriously mean that if you thought you were innocent, you'd opt for the expense, stress, and instability of a trial?

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ETA: No, I don't want him walking simply because his dad is a retired judge. Neither do I want him held to a different standard than anyone else for the same reason

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/7/2012 9:47:55 AM

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Edit 2: If I were Zimmerman, and I were innocent, I would want a trial. If I were Zimmerman, and I were guilty, I would not. If I supported Zimmerman, and I thought he was innocent, I would want a trial. If I supported Zimmerman (due to family ties or politics), and I thought he was guilty, I would not want a trial.
I realize you have a different perception, but from my perception, arguing that he should not have a trial implies guilt. That is what I am trying to point out.

I understand what you're trying to point out but you're POV is a bit skewed. Let's put you in the hot seat.

You've done something that on the surface seems to be against the law. The law says you were totally within your rights.

Are you seriously telling me that you would vie for standing trial (paying a lawyer, potentially causing problems with your employer because of missed time, fearing that something might go wrong and you might get convicted, anyway) as opposed to the PD and Prosecutor saying: "It's a fucked up situation but you were within the letter of the law. Have a nice life"?

Let's also think about the social stigma and the NBPP and other racists trying to hunt you down and putting out "WANTED" posters.

You can't seriously mean that if you thought you were innocent, you'd opt for the expense, stress, and instability of a trial?

Peace and comfort,

Michael

ETA: No, I don't want him walking simply because his dad is a retired judge. Neither do I want him held to a different standard than anyone else for the same reason

While it is not a "trial," in my personal life I have spent about 20 hours (all during work hours) in the past two months trying to show that something I have done is appropriate, and to make sure that any mistakes I did make will not be repeated. This is a situation where I could easily have kept my mouth shut and had no investigation, but I preferred to be open and honest, and hope that either I did nothing wrong, or that my honesty and willingness to not repeat any mistakes will serve me in good stead. My employer has been amazingly supportive-though I have put in unpaid overtime on the sly to make up for my missed work hours, I refuse to let my personal issues interfere with my productivity.
I grant you that what I am doing falls far short of what Zimmerman would need to do, on the other hand, my actions did not cause any deaths, just a possible emotional impact on children which hopefully psychiatric treatment will alleviate.

Edit, and yes my morality is screwy. I have been criticized for such statements as "yes, I would tell my boss if a friend/co-worker got drunk and had to be taken to jail, and missed work for it." My contention that the truth would come out anyway, and better a friendly explanation to the boss from a trusted source than a surprise coming up later that will damage trust of the boss in both me and the co-worker didn't carry much water with my co-workers...

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RE: Zimmerman as racist meme crumbling? - 4/7/2012 10:02:36 AM

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