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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
But, but, but, but...but nothing.

The law says that Citizens have the right to vote. If you aren't a Citizen, you do not have the right to vote. I wonder how we could figure out who is and who isn't a Citizen, easily.

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Yeah, ACORN sure does seem to come up, a lot. But it is more than just that...

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Mirable Dictu!  A 'get out vites and petitions organization shows up alot...'
 
Much as you would expect issues of little consequence in chicken little the sky is falling genre with anecdotal joetheplumberisms to show up in people who borrow and spend and set us on the edge of bankruptcy who are told to go down there and fix their fuckups (but are inept) would show up aligned with teabaggers and neo-cons.



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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
But, but, but, but...but nothing.

The law says that Citizens have the right to vote. If you aren't a Citizen, you do not have the right to vote. I wonder how we could figure out who is and who isn't a Citizen, easily.

Its called 'EVIDENCE'. You make an "ACCUSATION" to a member of the 'LAW ENFORCEMENT" that 'so-and-so' is not whom them claim to be and/or claim to live at the address.

Why should I have to show an ID? I state who I am and where I live. If someone wishs to state that one of those two is untrue, its up to them to produce the burden of proof, not myself. Why should I have to subject myself to being searched against my will? Isn't there an Amendment that talks about this in the US Constitution?

From all that I have seen, voter fraud taking place in this country is below the 5% mark. But if we were to believe the GOP, that number would be as high as 30%. Its typical for conservatives to throw down the 'Fear' Card about as often as Sharpton and Jackson through the 'Race' Card.....

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

yeh but someone has to be literally in a political coma to say something liek that in the first place LOL


http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/08/ohio-voting-machines-contained.html


So far 2010 has been a banner year for ACORN voter fraud prosecutions.

In Milwaukee, former ACORN worker Maria L. Miles, who worked with Clancy, pleaded guilty to “falsely procuring voter registration.” She will be sentenced next month.

In Washington state, ex-ACORN canvasser Kendra Lynn Thill was convicted of voter registration fraud and given a 12-month deferred sentence.

In Pennsylvania, former ACORN workers Alexis Givner, Mario Grisom, and Eric L. Jones, were convicted of voter registration fraud-related offenses. All three were sentenced to two years probation

The trial of ACORN for conspiracy to commit felony voter registration fraud was scheduled to begin Nov. 29, but ACORN lawyer Lisa Rasmussen had a scheduling conflict and the proceeding has been postponed. The trial will likely proceed in 2011. Hafen won’t be heading the prosecution’s team because he was recently elected a justice of the peace.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/23/the-voter-fraud-hall-of-shame-milwaukee-voter-fraud-conviction-makes-acorn%e2%80%99s-2010-total-at-least-15/#ixzz1rbb6WCg6

Diebold voting machines can be hacked by remote control
Exclusive: A laboratory shows how an e-voting machine used by a third of all voters can be easily manipulated

http://www.salon.com/2011/09/27/votinghack/

oh wait that cant be right, conspiracies never happen in america! LOL

Yeah, ACORN sure does seem to come up, a lot. But it is more than just that.

There's an intertesting article by Roger Hedgecock and a fellow (Andy Pierotti) down in Tampa on television news exposed a little scheme where people who are not citizens have either been voting for years or are registered to vote, the elections board shows they voted, but they say they have never voted. This reporter broke this story two days after the Tampa Bay Times ran an article that voter fraud "doesn't exist".

How were their names found? Comparing jury duty excuses to voter registration rolls.

You see, under the 1992 Motor Voter Act, officials are not allowed to ask people to prove citizenship, when they are registering to vote. The act was also designed to get as many welfare recipients as possible registered which is fine but, we all know that not all registered voters actually vote (at least, not themselves).

In a lawsuit, initiated by ACORN to defend the Motor Voter Act, who do you suppose was one of the people standing with Acorn? I'll give you a hint: He was born in "Hawaii" and attended a Christian school and his registration paperwork listed him as a Muslim.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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ORIGINAL: PatrickG38

It is really simple. One party encourages democratic participation, one discourages it. Not complicated at all.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I don't do peoples' research for them, anymore. I gave two examples a few posts back (one involved 9 people in Florida in 2010 in an election where one person got 72% absentee ballots).

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

At some point....if the cons keep using this fake issue to keep Americans from voting.....we`re going to have to have another voting rights act.

Seems to me that voting is one of the most basic rights we have and that great efforts should be made to make sure as many Americans as possible get to participate in the democratic process.

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ORIGINAL: PatrickG38

It is really simple. One party encourages democratic participation, one discourages it. Not complicated at all.

It is indeed really simple. One party encourages voter fraud, the other party discourages it. Not complicated at all.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

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ORIGINAL: PatrickG38

It is really simple. One party encourages democratic participation, one discourages it. Not complicated at all.

It is indeed really simple. One party encourages voter fraud, the other party discourages it. Not complicated at all.

Since Bush had filed a lawsuit to stop the Florida recount in 2000, (never a presidential candidate prior to that has), and gave the ambulance chaser that filed it for him a Supreme Court job,   I am going to assume that you speak of republicans and voter fraud.

Since the felon at the republican primary and the election official at the republican primary were in cahoots to commit vote fraud, and caught on tape..... 

Thank you for your efforts to uncomplicate the issue for us.  We see it clearly now.

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While lawyers for Crumitie and the others arrested in Florida -- a group that came to be known in local civil rights circles as the Madison 9 -- declined to give details of what their clients allegedly did, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement said the charges were clear cut.

Crumitie was charged with four felony counts of voter fraud and one count of providing a false report to law enforcement authorities, according to the FDLE.

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Henderson, who is white, took a 53 percent majority among voters in the runoff election, while Johnson had 72 percent of the absentee votes, according to the Sunshine State News account pulled from an affidavit for Johnson's arrest.

The story went on to say that a poll worker told investigators there were several instances where voters arrived at the polls only to find out they had already voted. And another voter who arrived to find that he had already cast a ballot told investigators that "Tina Johnson had brought him a ballot and helped him vote because he didn't understand it."

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According to the FDLE, the investigation revealed that Johnson, her husband and others approached prospective voters and asked them to sign an absentee ballot request form. Then an alternate address, one other than the person's own, was written on the form without their consent. The ballots were never mailed to the registered voters, the FDLE has said.

The Johnsons retrieved the ballots from the third party locations, brought the ballots to the voter, waited for the person to vote, and then returned the ballots to the Supervisor of Elections, according to a release on the FDLE website. In some instances, it said, the voters were only presented with the absentee ballot signature envelope to sign and never received the actual ballot to cast their vote.

Johnson, 43, was charged with 10 counts of fraud in connection with casting votes, and two counts of absentee ballots and voting violations. Her husband Ernest Sinclair Johnson, Jr., 45, was charged with 11 counts of fraud in connection with casting votes, one count of corruptly influencing voting, and one count of perjury by false written declaration, according to the FDLE. Jada Woods Williams, 34, Madison County Supervisor of Elections, was charged with 17 counts of neglect of duty and corrupt practices for allowing the distribution of these absentee ballots, contrary to Florida state statute.

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26 counts of voter fraud/misconduct.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Voter Fraud HuffPo Black Voices

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ORIGINAL: from the article

While lawyers for Crumitie and the others arrested in Florida -- a group that came to be known in local civil rights circles as the Madison 9 -- declined to give details of what their clients allegedly did, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement said the charges were clear cut.

Crumitie was charged with four felony counts of voter fraud and one count of providing a false report to law enforcement authorities, according to the FDLE.

and ...

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Henderson, who is white, took a 53 percent majority among voters in the runoff election, while Johnson had 72 percent of the absentee votes, according to the Sunshine State News account pulled from an affidavit for Johnson's arrest.

The story went on to say that a poll worker told investigators there were several instances where voters arrived at the polls only to find out they had already voted. And another voter who arrived to find that he had already cast a ballot told investigators that "Tina Johnson had brought him a ballot and helped him vote because he didn't understand it."

... and ...

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According to the FDLE, the investigation revealed that Johnson, her husband and others approached prospective voters and asked them to sign an absentee ballot request form. Then an alternate address, one other than the person's own, was written on the form without their consent. The ballots were never mailed to the registered voters, the FDLE has said.

The Johnsons retrieved the ballots from the third party locations, brought the ballots to the voter, waited for the person to vote, and then returned the ballots to the Supervisor of Elections, according to a release on the FDLE website. In some instances, it said, the voters were only presented with the absentee ballot signature envelope to sign and never received the actual ballot to cast their vote.

Johnson, 43, was charged with 10 counts of fraud in connection with casting votes, and two counts of absentee ballots and voting violations. Her husband Ernest Sinclair Johnson, Jr., 45, was charged with 11 counts of fraud in connection with casting votes, one count of corruptly influencing voting, and one count of perjury by false written declaration, according to the FDLE. Jada Woods Williams, 34, Madison County Supervisor of Elections, was charged with 17 counts of neglect of duty and corrupt practices for allowing the distribution of these absentee ballots, contrary to Florida state statute.

I count:

24 counts of "fraud in connection with casting votes"
2 counts of absentee ballots and voting violations.
1 count of corruptly influencing voting
1 count of perjury by written declaration
1 count of providing a false statement to Law Enforcement

26 counts of voter fraud/misconduct.

Yeah, not a problem, at all.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds

OK, again I ask, is it better to prevent a valid voter from voting, than to allow a fraudulent vote?

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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds

OK, again I ask, is it better to prevent a valid voter from voting, than to allow a fraudulent vote?
My answer, they are equally bad, so we should balance each VOTE equally. In other words, if to prevent TWENTY-SIX fraudulent votes, we make THOUSANDS, Tens of thousands, or HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of legitimate voters unable to vote, are we really doing anything for democracy?
Or are the folks whose votes you are preventing voting against you, so you are happy to suppress their votes?
BTW, how do you feel about the frequent Republican tactic of telling new voters (younger voters are more likely to vote for the Democrat) that voting is on Wednesday (the day after the election)? How do you feel about Republican robo-calls at 3 AM to swing voters designed to seem like they come from the Democrat? Or is that kind of voter fraud just peachy?