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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice mo... - 4/14/2012 9:50:35 AM

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice mo... - 4/14/2012 9:53:26 AM

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Oh goodie. Now it's a Jewish/Christian cat fight

farglebargle's Jewish!!! I'll be damned.

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice mo... - 4/14/2012 10:09:37 AM

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Oh goodie. Now it's a Jewish/Christian cat fight

farglebargle's Jewish!!! I'll be damned.

Butch

You didn't know? Damn, you've been here longer than I have and I knew within a few weeks.

Pay attention, Butch.

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice mo... - 4/14/2012 10:13:11 AM

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I should have known the way he was hung up on Zimmerman

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice mo... - 4/14/2012 10:33:06 AM

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Or perhaps the blessing in my .sig?

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice mo... - 4/14/2012 10:34:54 AM

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A blessing which does nothing but celebrate your obsession with pot.

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice mo... - 4/14/2012 10:44:19 AM

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Examples of the prayers, published by the Humboldt Country, California, Clergy For Choice, which the anti-choice proponents find objectionable -

Off topic, but man, I miss the Humboldt county weed I got when I lived in Cali.

Carry on.

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice mo... - 4/14/2012 10:45:48 AM

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A blessing which does nothing but celebrate your obsession with pot

Or stinkweed

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice mo... - 4/14/2012 10:58:05 AM

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Back on topic:

The pro-life people are acting like they believe those who are pro-choice shouldn't be praying at all, because they obviously, by way of being of pro-choice, don't believe in God at all. Which is hogwash. I know many Christians who are pro-choice. I know even more non-Christians who believe in God.

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice mo... - 4/14/2012 11:10:47 AM

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This is only disrespectful to God if you think you speak for Him

It makes no difference what you or I think... Are you speaking for God?... After all his words are written on the subject. We are talking what is disrespectful to Christians. To pray to God for

increased financial
support for low income women to access
contraception, abortion, and childcare

IS disrespectful whether you or I think it God like or not.

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Yeah, and while we are at it, "Blessed are the poor." is pretty offensive too.

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice mo... - 4/14/2012 11:29:58 AM

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To clarify my last post, given that abortion rates have more to do with female poverty and compassion for women who are unwed and pregnant than with the legality of the procedure or access to legal forms. Don't believe me? Compare the abortion rates of Mexico with Denmark...
So going after the clinics doesn't do jack about the abortion rate, but since most of the xtians who are doing so don't care about the women, they just want to make those women suffer, it is ok by them...

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice mo... - 4/14/2012 11:31:45 AM

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What if instead they held a "40 days of cock-sucking" event?

Those who wanted could say "Oh God! Sweet Jesus! Halleluja, Honey!

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice mo... - 4/14/2012 11:52:35 AM

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The pro-life people are acting like they believe those who are pro-choice shouldn't be praying at all, because they obviously, by way of being of pro-choice, don't believe in God at all. Which is hogwash. I know many Christians who are pro-choice. I know even more non-Christians who believe in God.

The oppression for Jesus crowd needs to craft the narrative that way, it's the only card they've got.

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice mo... - 4/14/2012 11:59:32 AM

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Now tell me again this would not be considered disrespectful to God if you were a devout Christian...bull

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And if you are a devout anti-christian, you are not treated to disrespect by the christians?

Seems like a horses ass apiece.

Woah, hold on just a sec guys. As far as I can tell both sides in this are playing for team Yahweh and seeing as they were written by clergymen I'm going to say that they aren't disrespectful kdsub.

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice mo... - 4/14/2012 12:20:07 PM

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Alright, you know I could care less about what side of abortion anyone is on. It's here and nothing is going to change it. But it's annoying how some people have started calling those against abortion the "anti-choice" party. What happened to pro-life and pro-choice? That's what the groups stand for. It sickens me that there are people who want to talk about how open minded they are, but when someone disagrees with them (like those who are pro-life), they try and change the name of the group to make them sound evil. I'm sure if pro-life people started to call the pro-choice people "anti-life", "anti-baby", or "pro-death" there would be a huge outrage.

Being open minded means that you accept those who have ideals that are different than your own. You don't just get to be open minded about what you think people should be open minded about and then the rest of people are close minded morons.

(and I know that most of those people who are already full of BS will respond with snark, attitude or acting as if they are superior, but oh well).

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice mo... - 4/14/2012 12:45:36 PM

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But it's annoying how some people have started calling those against abortion the "anti-choice" party. What happened to pro-life and pro-choice? That's what the groups stand for.

Actually, no.

You SHOULD have been annoyed from the start of the terms. Is it about life or about choice? The right chose the "pro-life" label specifically to cast their opposition as "anti-life"--there's no "I oppose abortion but support choice" option for the right.

So it IS about choice. Roe v. Wade is about choice. And "anti-choice" is frankly a much more accurate term. They aren't campaigning to promote life--they're going after choice. There's no sense pretending they aren't.

It's not like some group is touring America to argue "What this damn country needs is more abortions!" Nobody is anti-life. But they are anti-choice.

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice mo... - 4/14/2012 2:42:52 PM

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Well that's an interesting way to put it. And I'm afraid that it only proves my point further. Those who want to see those who are against abortion in a negative manner with will frame the context of the argument in whatever way they want in order to feel like they have the higher ground.

The focus of those who are pro-choice is that a woman has the right to choose whether or not she wishes to keep her baby/fetus (however you want to view it) or whether to abort it. And the focus of the pro-life groups is preserve life. They believe that when an egg is fertilized, it does indeed become a living human being. Despite what you may feel about that, it is what they believe. What you are doing is mixing your own opinions with their values in determining what they are thinking (i.e. "well its not really a human being yet as a fetus, so therefore they can't be focused on preserving a life. They have to be focusing on the choice aspect"). If going after the right to choose is the only way they can go about attaining their goal of preserving life, then that is what they are going to do. But you completely lost focus of what their goal is, LIFE, just like the goal of those that are pro-choice is CHOICE. And that is groups/clubs/ organizations etc etc choose names, because of their goals. But yet it is far easier for "some" to just say that a group of people is against women having a choice because that makes them sound like worse.

All I'm asking is that people quit being so damn biased about stuff, geez. Stop pretending to be so open minded, and then getting pissed off when someone doesn't share the same opinions as you. If you want to be close-minded and refuse to accept that people who have different ideas (or believe completely counter to you) could have a point or even be right, thats fine, but just don't do that and then also claim to be some open-minded liberal thinker. Bc that just makes you full of shit.

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice mo... - 4/14/2012 2:51:57 PM

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And the focus of the pro-life groups is preserve life.

And they do that by...denying choice.

The shit you smell is yours.

Yes, debates are commonly demonizing the others, but to pretend the pro-lifers have the rhetorical high-ground here just ignores reality.

The only pissed off one here seems to be....you.

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice mo... - 4/14/2012 2:55:34 PM

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Alright, you know I could care less about what side of abortion anyone is on. It's here and nothing is going to change it. But it's annoying how some people have started calling those against abortion the "anti-choice" party. What happened to pro-life and pro-choice?

"pro-life" was always a misnomer.

Neither side is against life. One side is for violence against actual people who disagree with them and for taking rights away from everyone because of their narrow religious beliefs.

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice mo... - 4/14/2012 2:59:36 PM

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Alright, you know I could care less about what side of abortion anyone is on. It's here and nothing is going to change it. But it's annoying how some people have started calling those against abortion the "anti-choice" party. What happened to pro-life and pro-choice?

"pro-life" was always a misnomer.

Neither side is against life. One side is for violence against actual people who disagree with them and for taking rights away from everyone because of their narrow religious beliefs.

One side says it is acceptable to kill human beings if they are inconvenient or disabled. The other side says that all life is precious, even those lives we don't agree with.

How can you say one side is not against life?

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