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DarqueMirror -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/14/2012 10:39:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Actually DM, repeats that claim......same thing. And all the DA has to do is prove George a liar to get a conviction.......which won`t be hard. It'll be damned hard to do with no evidence.

Politesub53 -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/15/2012 3:23:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Actually DM, repeats that claim......same thing. And all the DA has to do is prove George a liar to get a conviction.......which won`t be hard. It'll be damned hard to do with no evidence. You speak of illiteracy yet failed to understand the affidavit.... You know, the part where the investigator says he can disprove Zimmermans claims.

Nosathro -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/15/2012 8:58:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Actually DM, repeats that claim......same thing. And all the DA has to do is prove George a liar to get a conviction.......which won`t be hard. It'll be damned hard to do with no evidence. My understanding is that Zimmerman has made 4 sworn statements, if these statement are in contradiction then it could be used to show Zimmerman has purgered himself thus the arguement he is liar.

Moonhead -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/15/2012 3:32:11 PM)
That's without even getting into whether the dead gangsta had scraped his knuckles breaking Zimmy's nose and which side of the thug the exit wound is in, of course...

DarqueMirror -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/15/2012 11:01:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 You speak of illiteracy yet failed to understand the affidavit.... You know, the part where the investigator says he can disprove Zimmermans claims. I understand the law. "Saying" you can disprove something is a far cry from actually being able to do it beyond a reasonable doubt.

subrob1967 -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/20/2012 7:26:50 AM)
To bring this back to the original topic... quote: JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — A Jacksonville has been ssentenced to 20 years in prison in a controversial self-defense case that has once again shoved Florida's Stand Your Ground statute into the public spotlight. Marisa Alexander was sentenced to 20 years this morning in Duval County Court . She was convicted on three counts of aggravated battery with a deadly weapon for an August 2010 incident in which she fired a gun into the ceiling of her home in front of her husband and his two children after she alleges he was beating her severely. http://www.wokv.com/news/news/local/marisa-alexander-gets-20-years/nN39b/ Apparently there's more to this story, like Marissa leaving the house, going to her car and retrieving the gun, going back into the house, and confronting her ex. The Prosecutor successfully proved that Marisa wasn't "trapped" in the garage like she claimed, that she did go to the garage to fetch her gun, and did fire at her Husband, endangering him and her two sons, whom she then let leave with the guy even though he was supposedly threatening them. So again, this isn't a SYG fail, it's a case of assault with a deadly weapon, and Alexander was sentenced to 20 years for her crime.

Nosathro -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/20/2012 8:12:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 To bring this back to the original topic... quote: JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — A Jacksonville has been ssentenced to 20 years in prison in a controversial self-defense case that has once again shoved Florida's Stand Your Ground statute into the public spotlight. Marisa Alexander was sentenced to 20 years this morning in Duval County Court . She was convicted on three counts of aggravated battery with a deadly weapon for an August 2010 incident in which she fired a gun into the ceiling of her home in front of her husband and his two children after she alleges he was beating her severely. http://www.wokv.com/news/news/local/marisa-alexander-gets-20-years/nN39b/ Apparently there's more to this story, like Marissa leaving the house, going to her car and retrieving the gun, going back into the house, and confronting her ex. The Prosecutor successfully proved that Marisa wasn't "trapped" in the garage like she claimed, that she did go to the garage to fetch her gun, and did fire at her Husband, endangering him and her two sons, whom she then let leave with the guy even though he was supposedly threatening them. So again, this isn't a SYG fail, it's a case of assault with a deadly weapon, and Alexander was sentenced to 20 years for her crime. The guy has a history of violence, including sending Marisa to the hospial three weeks before this incident. He beat her so badly the Doctors had to induc labor. He also told the police, etc that if it she didn't have the gun he was going to kill her.

Nosathro -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/20/2012 8:15:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 You speak of illiteracy yet failed to understand the affidavit.... You know, the part where the investigator says he can disprove Zimmermans claims. I understand the law. "Saying" you can disprove something is a far cry from actually being able to do it beyond a reasonable doubt. Well the DA on discovery released alot of evidence to O'Mara including some 64 CD and about 100 statement of witnesses. So there is something, some will be presented in court, some will be released by the news.

Nosathro -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/20/2012 8:21:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro That maybe true, Martin used his fist Zimmerman used his gun. I read many years ago a Northeastern study 1995 on the subject of those defending themselves with a firearm, in some 48% of the cases, the so called attacker was unarmed. I am not aware any recent study but it would be interesting. It is my understanding Zimmerman wanted to become a police officer, if he ever does, he better get use to being punched, and the rules on the use of deadly force, i.e. shooting an armed anybody are alot more strictive. Maybe you should look up what protocol is when some is bashing your head against the pavement and then goes for your gun. As then medical report stated there were two abarsions on Zimmerman head, no fratures or concessions..hardly what I would call "basing", none of Zimmerman wound were anywhere near fatal. Zimmerman weapon was concealed, so how would Martin know where Zimmerman weapon was?

DarqueMirror -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/23/2012 1:02:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Well the DA on discovery released alot of evidence to O'Mara including some 64 CD and about 100 statement of witnesses. So there is something, some will be presented in court, some will be released by the news. And so far, the more evidence that comes to light, the more it support Zimmerman's claims.

DarqueMirror -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/23/2012 1:05:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro As then medical report stated there were two abarsions on Zimmerman head, no fratures or concessions..hardly what I would call "basing", none of Zimmerman wound were anywhere near fatal. Zimmerman weapon was concealed, so how would Martin know where Zimmerman weapon was? Really? Because what I've seen of the report shows cuts to the back of his head bruises and a fracture to his face/nose and a laceration to Martin's knuckles. Sure sounds like he was getting bashed to me. quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Zimmerman weapon was concealed, so how would Martin know where Zimmerman weapon was? Concealed doesn't mean locked up in a secret compartment. I'd think if one guy straddled another and was involved in a physical confrontation, it'd be pretty easy for the gun to become un-concealed.

itsSIRtou -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/23/2012 6:29:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Well the DA on discovery released alot of evidence to O'Mara including some 64 CD and about 100 statement of witnesses. So there is something, some will be presented in court, some will be released by the news. And so far, the more evidence that comes to light, the more it support Zimmerman's claims. I just find it telling that all the "new" evidence that comes to light is in oppostion to the 1st evidence that shows he didnt have hardly any damage to him at all.... videos with no blood... pics of his face with no broken nose. (and I know what a broken nose looks like since I personally have had 6 of them) and so on.... all this I feel to avoid a trial...because theres one point he cant avoid being asked...... WHY AFTER u WERE TOLD NOT TO GO AFTER THE SUSPECT... WHY DID U DO THAT ANYWAY?? To Me, all this other stuff is just telling how a grown man who wasnt police material got his ass kicked by a teenager while thinking if he caught a "suspect" he might be taken seriously as a rent-a-cop.... And rather than lose and be the allready embarrassed son of a judge even more he shot the teen. BTW.... what muder trial anywhere releases evidence that could influence a POSSIBLE jury?? Other than maybe somebody doesnt want a credible or unbiased jury?? setting him up for an appeal for a retrial if convicted? SIR

subrob1967 -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/23/2012 7:08:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro The guy has a history of violence, including sending Marisa to the hospial three weeks before this incident. He beat her so badly the Doctors had to induc labor. He also told the police, etc that if it she didn't have the gun he was going to kill her. Again, if she was so in fear for her life, why did she go to the garage, retrieve her gun, shoot the wall, then calmly let the guy and her sons to leave, while still holding her gun? His past doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is, she had the gun, she fired the shot, and if she was so afraid of him, she should have shot him dead, that way the cops would only have HER side of the story... ALA Zimmerman.

Nosathro -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/23/2012 7:48:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Well the DA on discovery released alot of evidence to O'Mara including some 64 CD and about 100 statement of witnesses. So there is something, some will be presented in court, some will be released by the news. And so far, the more evidence that comes to light, the more it support Zimmerman's claims. Well the some of the witnesses have changed their story that puts Zimmerman not in a good light http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-shooting-witnesses-change-stories-ahead-zimmerman-133743219.html

Nosathro -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/23/2012 7:51:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro The guy has a history of violence, including sending Marisa to the hospial three weeks before this incident. He beat her so badly the Doctors had to induc labor. He also told the police, etc that if it she didn't have the gun he was going to kill her. Again, if she was so in fear for her life, why did she go to the garage, retrieve her gun, shoot the wall, then calmly let the guy and her sons to leave, while still holding her gun? His past doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is, she had the gun, she fired the shot, and if she was so afraid of him, she should have shot him dead, that way the cops would only have HER side of the story... ALA Zimmerman. History of violence to her doesn't matter? How about this guy telling the police he wanted to kill her and would have if she didn't have the weapon?

Nosathro -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/23/2012 8:10:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro As then medical report stated there were two abarsions on Zimmerman head, no fratures or concessions..hardly what I would call "basing", none of Zimmerman wound were anywhere near fatal. Zimmerman weapon was concealed, so how would Martin know where Zimmerman weapon was? Really? Because what I've seen of the report shows cuts to the back of his head bruises and a fracture to his face/nose and a laceration to Martin's knuckles. Sure sounds like he was getting bashed to me. Zimmerman had a broken nose, he was also to have two black eyes, looking at the pictures, the circles under my eyes are darker. I have had and seen worst black eyes. None of Zimmerman injuries were life threaten and he repeatedly refused further medical treatment, the bleeding was minor and stopped after treatment from the paramedic on the scene. I have seen worse. As to Martin there was one small cut on the knuckle of his left ring finger, interesting since Martin was right handed, the only other injury to Martin was a fatal gun wound. quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Zimmerman weapon was concealed, so how would Martin know where Zimmerman weapon was? Concealed doesn't mean locked up in a secret compartment. I'd think if one guy straddled another and was involved in a physical confrontation, it'd be pretty easy for the gun to become un-concealed. tr.v. con·cealed, con·ceal·ing, con·ceals To keep from being seen, found, observed, or discovered; hide. I am sure that Martin search Zimmerman for his weapon. He did not know Zimmerman was armed. All this while he is bashing Zimmerman as you say[:D]..right.

thompsonx -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/23/2012 8:14:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 His past doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is, she had the gun, she fired the shot, and if she was so afraid of him, she should have shot him dead, that way the cops would only have HER side of the story... ALA Zimmerman. Your post is most instructive. You, an alleged cop, are advocating first degree murder and purjury.

RacerJim -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/23/2012 9:20:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Well the DA on discovery released alot of evidence to O'Mara including some 64 CD and about 100 statement of witnesses. So there is something, some will be presented in court, some will be released by the news. And so far, the more evidence that comes to light, the more it support Zimmerman's claims. I just find it telling that all the "new" evidence that comes to light is in oppostion to the 1st evidence that shows he didnt have hardly any damage to him at all.... videos with no blood... pics of his face with no broken nose. (and I know what a broken nose looks like since I personally have had 6 of them) and so on.... all this I feel to avoid a trial...because theres one point he cant avoid being asked...... WHY AFTER u WERE TOLD NOT TO GO AFTER THE SUSPECT... WHY DID U DO THAT ANYWAY?? To Me, all this other stuff is just telling how a grown man who wasnt police material got his ass kicked by a teenager while thinking if he caught a "suspect" he might be taken seriously as a rent-a-cop.... And rather than lose and be the allready embarrassed son of a judge even more he shot the teen. BTW.... what muder trial anywhere releases evidence that could influence a POSSIBLE jury?? Other than maybe somebody doesnt want a credible or unbiased jury?? setting him up for an appeal for a retrial if convicted? SIR And I find it very telling that so many people, including the President of the United States, made a rush to judgement based on intentionally misleading initial "evidence"...like the video showing Zimmerman without hardly any damage at all without any mention that it was taken almost an hour AFTER his injuries had been treated at the scene by EMTs...pics of his face which couldn't show his internally broken nose or the swollen nose and two black eyes he would have the next day because it usually takes 24-36 hours post-assault for such to manifest themselves...the recording that an NBC reporter intentionally altered and was subsequently fired over...all that I feel in the interest of race-baiting...because there's one point that race-baiters can't refute because the recorded telephone conversation between Zimmerman and the police dispatcher proves it... 10-12 SECONDS AFTER THE POLICE DISPATCHER SAYS "WE DON'T NEED YOU TO DO THAT" YOU CAN HEAR ZIMMERMAN STOP BREATHING RAPIDLY AND DEEPLY LIKE HE WAS IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THE DISPATCHER TOLD HIM NOT TO CHASE MARTIN...MEANING ZIMMERMAN STOPPED CHASING MARTIN WITHIN 10-12 SECONDS OF BEING TOLD TO BY THE DISPATCHER. Recorded telephone conversations also prove that from the time Zimmerman told the police dispatcher he had lost sight of Martin until the time the first witness to the physical altercation called 911, Martin had plenty of time to WALK to his father's condo, go inside, and stay there...obviously he didn't. One of the investigators has stated that Martin would still be alive today if Zimmerman had stayed in his truck and waited for police to arrive...likewise Martin would also still be alive today if he had gone to his father's condo, stayed inside, called 911 and waited for police to arrive. To me, the totality of evidence proves that this tragedy is simply the result of a teenaged-punk picking a fight with the wrong person. And rather than own up to and be embarrassed by that race-baiters ignore the totalilty of evidence in order to make it a white on black "hate crime". BTW...which of the 2-3 multiple black murderers on multiple white murder victims which occured within a month after Zimmerman stood his ground did the President of the United States publically comment about?

Owner59 -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/23/2012 9:30:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Actually DM, repeats that claim......same thing. And all the DA has to do is prove George a liar to get a conviction.......which won`t be hard. It'll be damned hard to do with no evidence. Proving someone lied in court happens in court and lie itself is the evidence. When George raises his hand and swears to tell the truth,the whole truth etc.....he won`t get away with the silly shit his defenders think they`re getting away with. Martha Stewart went to jail for lying.......not for the crime she was accused of. We`ll better be able to sort through George`s various versions of what happened then......won`t we? It may be none of the ones he`s put forth yet.

Owner59 -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/23/2012 9:44:22 AM)
"And I find it very telling that so many people, including the President of the United States, made a rush to judgement " Well,when you kill a youngster.......people tend to react and not always sympathetically.Tough beans.Deal. And the president didn`t "rush" to any judgment. He said it was a tragedy....which is reasonable and true. The perception that folks were ganging up on your buddy comes from your affinity for the Georges of the world. He`s being treated fairer and far better than his victim was.

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