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subrob1967 -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/23/2012 9:47:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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His past doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is, she had the gun, she fired the shot, and if she was so afraid of him, she should have shot him dead, that way the cops would only have HER side of the story... ALA Zimmerman.


Your post is most instructive.
You, an alleged cop, are advocating first degree murder and purjury.



Read it again, I said IF SHE WAS SO AFRAID... You obviously missed my point, which I made in my previous post... Stop trying to trim quotes to make ridiculous "got ya" posts, it only makes you look silly.

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Again, if she was so in fear for her life, why did she go to the garage, retrieve her gun, shoot the wall, then calmly let the guy and her sons to leave, while still holding her gun?


After all, that's what the Prosecutor proved well enough in court to get her convicted... Duh.




lovmuffin -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/23/2012 10:03:53 AM)

People keep stating, "Zims variations of his story" I'm just not aware of them. I'm only aware of what others said he said. And those variations are only over specific words that were used in the verbal exchange. Where are the variations on what Zim said coming from and what are they ?




itsSIRtou -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/23/2012 1:13:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


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Well the DA on discovery released alot of evidence to O'Mara including some 64 CD and about 100 statement of witnesses.  So there is something, some will be presented in court, some will be released by the news.


And so far, the more evidence that comes to light, the more it support Zimmerman's claims.



I just find it telling that all the "new" evidence that comes to light is in oppostion to the 1st evidence that shows he didnt have hardly any damage to him at all.... videos with no blood... pics of his face with no broken nose. (and I know what a broken nose looks like since I personally have had 6 of them) and so on.... all this I feel to avoid a trial...because theres one point he cant avoid being asked......

WHY AFTER u WERE TOLD NOT TO GO AFTER THE SUSPECT... WHY DID U DO THAT ANYWAY?? To Me, all this other stuff is just telling how a grown man who wasnt police material got his ass kicked by a teenager while thinking if he caught a "suspect" he might be taken seriously as a rent-a-cop.... And rather than lose and be the allready embarrassed son of a judge even more he shot the teen.

BTW.... what muder trial anywhere releases evidence that could influence a POSSIBLE jury?? Other than maybe somebody doesnt want a credible or unbiased jury?? setting him up for an appeal for a retrial if convicted?


SIR



And I find it very telling that so many people, including the President of the United States, made a rush to judgement based on intentionally misleading initial "evidence"...like the video showing Zimmerman without hardly any damage at all without any mention that it was taken almost an hour AFTER his injuries had been treated at the scene by EMTs...pics of his face which couldn't show his internally broken nose or the swollen nose and two black eyes he would have the next day because it usually takes 24-36 hours post-assault for such to manifest themselves...the recording that an NBC reporter intentionally altered and was subsequently fired over...all that I feel in the interest of race-baiting...because there's one point that race-baiters can't refute because the recorded telephone conversation between Zimmerman and the police dispatcher proves it...

10-12 SECONDS AFTER THE POLICE DISPATCHER SAYS "WE DON'T NEED YOU TO DO THAT" YOU CAN HEAR ZIMMERMAN STOP BREATHING RAPIDLY AND DEEPLY LIKE HE WAS IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THE DISPATCHER TOLD HIM NOT TO CHASE MARTIN...MEANING ZIMMERMAN STOPPED CHASING MARTIN WITHIN 10-12 SECONDS OF BEING TOLD TO BY THE DISPATCHER. Recorded telephone conversations also prove that from the time Zimmerman told the police dispatcher he had lost sight of Martin until the time the first witness to the physical altercation called 911, Martin had plenty of time to WALK to his father's condo, go inside, and stay there...obviously he didn't. One of the investigators has stated that Martin would still be alive today if Zimmerman had stayed in his truck and waited for police to arrive...likewise Martin would also still be alive today if he had gone to his father's condo, stayed inside, called 911 and waited for police to arrive. To me, the totality of evidence proves that this tragedy is simply the result of a teenaged-punk picking a fight with the wrong person. And rather than own up to and be embarrassed by that race-baiters ignore the totalilty of evidence in order to make it a white on black "hate crime".

BTW...which of the 2-3 multiple black murderers on multiple white murder victims which occured within a month after Zimmerman stood his ground did the President of the United States publically comment about?




10-12 seconds??? it took him THAT LONG TO OBEY A COMMAND?? dude I can skate the full length and back of an standard ice rink in full goalie euipment in that time!!..... I'd bet even u could run a football field in that much time wheezing and all!!.... so by ur own statement Since Zimmerman is supposed to be held to a higher standard because he's supposed to upholding the law in place of REAL law enforcement... Zimmerman should never been where he was in the first place..because he had a ton of time to not BE the so-called "wrong person". double since according to u martin is suuposed to be such less an upstanding person.

AGAIN as the personal owner of 6 broken noses IM not buying that crap about "internal damage" showing up a day later. My own face swole up everytime within 5 mins even with ICE packed on it waiting for the EMT's to get me. At the very least Zimmerman should of had his nose packed full of gauze with any kind of REAL break at all by the EMT's with all the blood vessels that's in anyone's face. Nobody Ive even seen get one during a game had to wait that long for the swelling to get as big as it been shown later ether. Ive had surgeries for My nose to look like his does now....anybody hear about repair work done on him after the swelling went down? REALLY??

and RJ... the first reports said.. for example the video of him walking into the police with no blood or nose damage was less than a half hour from the incident....so this restating the times the "new" evedence is suspect IMO.

and what would martin call the cops for?.... he hadn't did anything illegal to be chased for in the first place.

and just so Im clear with this for u RJ?.... I SAID his daddy the judge (not his white daddy the judge) I said rent-a-cop (not white rent-a-cop) I said not ONE word about race in MY Statement ....so get over the race-baiting thing urself.

AND..... BTW..... the president didnt put ANY DIRECT EVEDENCE about the CASE out in front of ANYBODY ..... he offered a comment AND his sympathies to martin's family so ur trying to involve the pres and make that equal has no logic to it.





Owner59 -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/23/2012 1:20:38 PM)

 

The nose was broken.The police photo bears that out.His head was also cut and bleeding.

Still doesn`t clear him......unless he can get a jury to believe that tall tale that EVERY George defender is going with( but without being able to explain)that they had words,parted ways and then George is attacked out of the blue without provocation, later.







DarqueMirror -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/23/2012 10:36:05 PM)


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Proving someone lied in court happens in court and lie itself is the evidence.


Actually, no it isn't. To prove a lie is a lie there must be evidence to the contrary. In this case, there isn't. I'm sure you're aware the "liar liar pants on fire" bit doesn't hold up in front of a judge.




DarqueMirror -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/23/2012 10:38:35 PM)


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Still doesn`t clear him......unless he can get a jury to believe that tall tale that EVERY George defender is going with( but without being able to explain)that they had words,parted ways and then George is attacked out of the blue without provocation, later.


We don't need to explain it. It's a perfectly plausible scenario that plays out in the inner cities across this country every day. People attack others for very little provocation.....step on shoes, look funny at someone, talk to the wrong girl, etc. Happens every day.




Nosathro -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/24/2012 7:33:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror


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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Proving someone lied in court happens in court and lie itself is the evidence.


Actually, no it isn't. To prove a lie is a lie there must be evidence to the contrary. In this case, there isn't. I'm sure you're aware the "liar liar pants on fire" bit doesn't hold up in front of a judge.

In court it is called perjury.  Under oath, if you can be shown you lied, and the evidence can be a previous sworn statement that is different then what is now sworn to, it is perjury, that is crime.  A motion to have all statements and testiomony can be striken.  Current only half the evidence has been released.  The DA is now asking the Judge to have the other half sealed so it will not be made public until trail.




LadyInara -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/26/2012 9:36:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nosathro
In court it is called perjury.  Under oath, if you can be shown you lied, and the evidence can be a previous sworn statement that is different then what is now sworn to, it is perjury, that is crime.  A motion to have all statements and testiomony can be striken.  Current only half the evidence has been released.  The DA is now asking the Judge to have the other half sealed so it will not be made public until trail.


I'm aware of what perjury is, but t still requires proof. You can't just shout out "liar" and have the guy convicted of lying.




Nosathro -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/27/2012 2:59:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro
In court it is called perjury.  Under oath, if you can be shown you lied, and the evidence can be a previous sworn statement that is different then what is now sworn to, it is perjury, that is crime.  A motion to have all statements and testiomony can be striken.  Current only half the evidence has been released.  The DA is now asking the Judge to have the other half sealed so it will not be made public until trail.


I'm aware of what perjury is, but t still requires proof. You can't just shout out "liar" and have the guy convicted of lying.


As I have said, currently only half the evidence has been made public.  Both the DA and O'Mara are request the other half be sealed until trail.  According to the DA there are some 5 statements that she claims will show Zimmerman did perjuried himself.




Raiikun -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/27/2012 2:26:16 PM)

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 Still doesn`t clear him......unless he can get a jury to believe that tall tale that EVERY George defender is going with( but without being able to explain)that they had words,parted ways and then George is attacked out of the blue without provocation, later.




It's not George's burden to prove it happened. It's the prosecution's burden to prove it didn't.

What happened before is small potatoes compared to the moment of the shooting. If the prosecution can't prove that Martin wasn't on top of George when George fired, George goes free under Florida law, even if he provoked the encounter. (Which again, is the prosecution's job to prove).




SternSkipper -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/27/2012 3:35:47 PM)

Somebody ought to put a bullet in this thread.




BamaD -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (5/27/2012 3:46:13 PM)

lol




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