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Nosathro -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (4/24/2012 7:48:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro If Martin felt threated by Zimmerman following him in his vehicle under the SYG law Martin would be within his rights not only to confront Zimmerman but also the right to defend himself. I find it so funny that the law applies to one person but not the other. The problem with your logic is that Zimmerman didn't attack Martin. Following is not attacking. You can't legally kill someone who asks you why you are where you are. You can only answer or not. Martin chose to attack, thus he became the aggressor. "The problem with your logic is that Zimmerman didn't attack Martin." And you know this how? Look at the law there is no I repeat no requirement that a person is phyiscally attacked! It is just that if a person "reasonably believes" Oh....George said so.......[8\|] I mean besides what the killer said.

DarqueMirror -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (4/25/2012 12:05:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen The standard is a reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm not simple fear for his life. Both are the same thing, genius. If you are in fear for your life, then you are in fear that you may suffer imminent death or bodily harm. Do you seriously need this explained to you? What's the opposite of life? Death. If you are in fear for your life, your are fearing you might lose it.

DomKen -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (4/25/2012 2:44:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen The standard is a reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm not simple fear for his life. Both are the same thing, genius. If you are in fear for your life, then you are in fear that you may suffer imminent death or bodily harm. Do you seriously need this explained to you? What's the opposite of life? Death. If you are in fear for your life, your are fearing you might lose it. No. I'm saying I don't think your fear meets the reasonable person standard. Reasonable people do not fear people simply because they are mentally disturbed. Reasonable people do not resort to ad hominen against a dead boy simply to try and "win" a discussion with total strangers.

DarqueMirror -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (4/25/2012 3:10:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen No. I'm saying I don't think your fear meets the reasonable person standard. That's not up to you. You weren't the one getting your head bashed against the concrete. quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Reasonable people do not fear people simply because they are mentally disturbed. No, but they might if that mentally disturbed person was pounding their head on the ground. That's the part you seem to have trouble with. quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Reasonable people do not resort to ad hominen against a dead boy simply to try and "win" a discussion with total strangers. Reasonable people call a spade a spade, regardless of circumstance. His past portrays him as a punk, ergo he gets called a punk.

joether -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (4/25/2012 3:54:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: joether If 'A' attacks 'B', 'B' defends itself from 'A'. If 'A' doesn't attack 'B', 'B' doesnt initate hostilities towards 'A'. If the above two concepts are true and correct. Why would 'B' pre-emptively attack 'A' when 'A' is not attacking 'B'? Let me put that into current terminology so ol' Ken can understand it better. Zimmerman followed Martin, but did not initiate any attack on him. Had Martin not attacked Zimmerman, Zimmerman would have had no reason to defend himself. However, since the oh-so-egregious crime of "following" justified attacking Zimmerman in Martin's mind, he attacked Zimmerman and made him have to defend himself. Had he just gone straight to his destination, like his girlfriend asked him to, he'd still be alive today. Please show the evidence that Mr. Zimmerman did not initial hostilities first. Likewise, what evidence do you have that shows Mr. Martin attacked Mr. Zimmerman first? In both cases you have NO EVIDENCE thatbacks up either claim. Here's a fact from that case: Mr. Zimmerman shot and killed Mr. Martin. When I say 'back it up with evidence', DM, that implies from credible sources external to yourself. You are in NO WAY a credible source of information on ANY topic!

DarqueMirror -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (4/25/2012 11:30:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Please show the evidence that Mr. Zimmerman did not initial hostilities first. Likewise, what evidence do you have that shows Mr. Martin attacked Mr. Zimmerman first? In both cases you have NO EVIDENCE thatbacks up either claim. Here's a fact from that case: Mr. Zimmerman shot and killed Mr. Martin. When I say 'back it up with evidence', DM, that implies from credible sources external to yourself. You are in NO WAY a credible source of information on ANY topic! Once again, for the billionth time....as Zimmerman is the accused...he is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. I don't have to prove that he was attacked. It's the prosecutors (and any who support that side) to prove that he's guilty -- ie that Martin did not attack.

Real0ne -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (4/25/2012 6:33:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen The standard is a reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm not simple fear for his life. Both are the same thing, genius. If you are in fear for your life, then you are in fear that you may suffer imminent death or bodily harm. Do you seriously need this explained to you? What's the opposite of life? Death. If you are in fear for your life, your are fearing you might lose it. No. I'm saying I don't think your fear meets the reasonable person standard. Reasonable people do not fear people simply because they are mentally disturbed. Reasonable people do not resort to ad hominen against a dead boy simply to try and "win" a discussion with total strangers. neither do they post 3 new threads per day trying to put a presumably innocent man in the chair and crank up as much drama as possible with the implication that zim was using a crazy nigger (or whatever oither pejorative he implied zim used) defense.

Moonhead -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (4/26/2012 5:13:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror Both are the same thing, genius. If you are in fear for your life, then you are in fear that you may suffer imminent death or bodily harm. Do you seriously need this explained to you? What's the opposite of life? Death. If you are in fear for your life, your are fearing you might lose it. Obviously. I mean there's few things as frightening to an armed man in an SUV as a teenager in a hoody, are there? As soon as the corpse noticed that he was being followed and looked at Zimmerman, that was it: he was immediately in terror for his life. If Zimmerman is that much of a pussy, he belongs in a kindergarten playgroup, not a neighbourhood watch scheme...

Nosathro -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (4/26/2012 8:40:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror Both are the same thing, genius. If you are in fear for your life, then you are in fear that you may suffer imminent death or bodily harm. Do you seriously need this explained to you? What's the opposite of life? Death. If you are in fear for your life, your are fearing you might lose it. Obviously. I mean there's few things as frightening to an armed man in an SUV as a teenager in a hoody, are there? As soon as the corpse noticed that he was being followed and looked at Zimmerman, that was it: he was immediately in terror for his life. If Zimmerman is that much of a pussy, he belongs in a kindergarten playgroup, not a neighbourhood watch scheme... I could not agree with you more. My view of Zimmerman is a "wanna be" cop. I come from a Criminal Justice back ground. Zimmerman, was acting out a fantasy that night, Martin was just what he was looking for, a black in a hoodie. In Zimmerman mind here was the person who was breaking into the homes. By the way in almost a year and half, only 3 break ins, one was a guy who was getting a divorce and broke in to get his belongs. Zimmerman was going to be the Hero, catching what he believed was a criminal. There was a confrontation, at one point Martin punches Zimmerman, more then likely in the nose. Zimmerman hits the ground causing the scraches on the back of his head. Zimmerman panics, his fantasy now hit reality, draws his gun and shots Martin. There has been some statements that Zimmerman carried the gun full magizne, another round in the chamber, safety is off. (Dumb). It has been reported Zimmerman attempted to to become Policeman, but fail the exam, 4 times, what part was not explained, my guess since he is 250 pounds, the phyiscal. Last if Zimmerman wanted to be a cop, he should expect to get punched more than once, and if he use his gun, he would be in trouble, the rules using deadly force are alot more stricter.

SternSkipper -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (4/26/2012 10:48:10 AM)
quote: Reading comprehension can be fun....apparently you missed the boat. Killing in self-defense is not killing without cause. There's a world of difference and that's where your problem lies. So essentially what you're saying is we need only believe Zimmerman's 'CONSTANTLY EVOLVING' bullshit story and voila! He's Innocent!

SternSkipper -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (4/26/2012 10:57:35 AM)
quote: My view of Zimmerman is a "wanna be" cop. I come from a Criminal Justice back ground. Zimmerman, was acting out a fantasy that night, Martin was just what he was looking for, a black in a hoodie. When I was a kid out small town had a DOG CATCHER who pulled his gun periodically on kids of high school age. And trust me, this was a farm town. No break-ins, no car theft, and fucking FORGET any 'armed' for of crime. One day this clown pulled his gun and it went off accidentally. Fortunately no one was hit and the biggest kid in my Jr. class punched him while he was still stunned from the accident firing, and grabbed the gun by it's barrel and threw it into a saltwater gravel pit. Since basically ALL the kids there were decent kids and he really was acting out even approaching us in that manner, the town suspended him and Animal Officers were no longer allowed to carry handguns.

thishereboi -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (4/26/2012 11:44:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror Both are the same thing, genius. If you are in fear for your life, then you are in fear that you may suffer imminent death or bodily harm. Do you seriously need this explained to you? What's the opposite of life? Death. If you are in fear for your life, your are fearing you might lose it. Obviously. I mean there's few things as frightening to an armed man in an SUV as a teenager in a hoody, are there? As soon as the corpse noticed that he was being followed and looked at Zimmerman, that was it: he was immediately in terror for his life. If Zimmerman is that much of a pussy, he belongs in a kindergarten playgroup, not a neighbourhood watch scheme... I don't know about that. If he was that scared of one kid, imagine the terror of a whole playground filled with them. Of course if he was that scared of the kid, why did he get out of his vehicle in the first place.

Moonhead -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (4/27/2012 4:43:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror Both are the same thing, genius. If you are in fear for your life, then you are in fear that you may suffer imminent death or bodily harm. Do you seriously need this explained to you? What's the opposite of life? Death. If you are in fear for your life, your are fearing you might lose it. Obviously. I mean there's few things as frightening to an armed man in an SUV as a teenager in a hoody, are there? As soon as the corpse noticed that he was being followed and looked at Zimmerman, that was it: he was immediately in terror for his life. If Zimmerman is that much of a pussy, he belongs in a kindergarten playgroup, not a neighbourhood watch scheme... I don't know about that. If he was that scared of one kid, imagine the terror of a whole playground filled with them. Good point. [:D]

DarqueMirror -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (4/27/2012 10:21:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Obviously. I mean there's few things as frightening to an armed man in an SUV as a teenager in a hoody, are there? As soon as the corpse noticed that he was being followed and looked at Zimmerman, that was it: he was immediately in terror for his life. If Zimmerman is that much of a pussy, he belongs in a kindergarten playgroup, not a neighbourhood watch scheme... You can make all the assumption-based, snide comments you like. It takes a big man to armchair quarterback a life and death situation which he didn't even witness. Let someone get in top of you and bash your head into the ground repeatedly. Then tell us if you feared for your life...if you survive at all that is.

DarqueMirror -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (4/27/2012 10:24:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper quote: Reading comprehension can be fun....apparently you missed the boat. Killing in self-defense is not killing without cause. There's a world of difference and that's where your problem lies. So essentially what you're saying is we need only believe Zimmerman's 'CONSTANTLY EVOLVING' bullshit story and voila! He's Innocent! No, Mr. Reading comprehension, I'm saying unless you have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that his story is false, he's innocent. By the way, that constantly evolving story you mentioned is coming in bits and pieces from the media. Zimmerman has never made an official statement to the press.

DarqueMirror -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (4/27/2012 10:28:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I don't know about that. If he was that scared of one kid, imagine the terror of a whole playground filled with them. Oh how I love this continued reference to th "kid" Zimmerman was afraid. This punk was a 17-year-old football player. Even middle school "kids" have brought guns to school and committed murder. Most of the 17-year-old football players in my high school were huge. quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi Of course if he was that scared of the kid, why did he get out of his vehicle in the first place. Really? Two months and literally thousands of threads and posts later and you're still stuck on this? You are hopeless.

Moonhead -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (4/28/2012 4:28:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror Let someone get in top of you and bash your head into the ground repeatedly. Then tell us if you feared for your life...if you survive at all that is. We only have Zimmerman's word that this happened. There isn't even any evidence that's emerged as yet that the corpse broke his nose, never mind had him on the ground.

DarqueMirror -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (4/28/2012 5:08:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead We only have Zimmerman's word that this happened. There isn't even any evidence that's emerged as yet that the corpse broke his nose, never mind had him on the ground. Once again....and again and again and again....he is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. Meaning...barring any evidence to the contrary...beyond a reasonable doubt mind you....his word is presumed to be exactly what happened.

SternSkipper -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (4/28/2012 5:19:34 AM)
quote: No, Mr. Reading comprehension Oh grow some fucking BALLS will ya. If you're gonna call people stupid ... FUCKING DO IT... don't do this crawl under the wire shit. Spare us the Clarance Darrow bud you are aware that "innocent until proven guilty is ONLY the court's obligation, not the public at large. We have an inalienable right to form our own opinion and yet another inalienable right to SPEAK that opinion out loud. Inferring someone is stupid when CLEARLY you can't distinguish between public opinion and a court of law probably says a lot more about 'intelligence' than my remarks. There's a big difference between this guy being guilty of premeditated murder (which I don't think is the case) and fucking gross negligence resulting in manslaughter which looks lees and less every second like there's enough reasonable doubt to clear this clown.

DarqueMirror -> RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... (4/28/2012 5:20:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper Oh grow some fucking BALLS will ya. If you're gonna call people stupid ... FUCKING DO IT... don't do this crawl under the wire shit. I won't pick the rest of the low fruit you provide. It's already kinda mushy. I chose my words the way I chose my words. Don't like it? Too bad. Learn to read and comprehend what is written and you'll have no issue.

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