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RE: releasing a slave - 5/3/2012 1:18:31 PM

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I am currently looking for a new job. I've found no age discrimination, yet I am 50. The only limitations I've run into are of my own creation.

Similarly, if a person has been out of the workforce for an extended period of time, it is something I see as self/relationship created and not an 'ism' persay.

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RE: releasing a slave - 5/3/2012 1:25:57 PM

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Just because YOU haven't run across it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It is NOT easy to enter or re-enter the workplace in this economy at any age.

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RE: releasing a slave - 5/3/2012 1:31:16 PM

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I am currently looking for a new job. I've found no age discrimination, yet I am 50. The only limitations I've run into are of my own creation.

Similarly, if a person has been out of the workforce for an extended period of time, it is something I see as self/relationship created and not an 'ism' persay.

I know many men who absolutely face age discrimination, even when they have not been out of the workforce very long. It is absolutely dependent on what specific profession one is talking about. Some professions absolutely favor those who are younger. So some professions, I would argue, do have "ageism". Then there are many, many professions that do not.

I do think those who have stepped away from the workforce for a period of time longer than 10 years often find re-entry difficult, but, yes, not always impossible.

I do think that as population grows and competition for resources increases that any individual who decides to step away from the workforce voluntarily must do so with tremendous caution. There are barely enough jobs for those who have been laid off, let alone those who actively have chosen to put themselves out of the workforce for extended periods of time.

And again, all of these points are profession specific. Some professions (e.g., nursing) have acute shortages and it is much, much easier to find work whereas if you are a 50-something year old man in finance, you can pretty much write-off finding anything anytime soon (the entire industry is shrinking right now and it is an industry that favors the young).

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RE: releasing a slave - 5/3/2012 1:45:34 PM

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Just because YOU haven't run across it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It is NOT easy to enter or re-enter the workplace in this economy at any age.

I cannot speak to what it may be like to enter, or re-enter, as I've not been out of work for longer than a few months, in decades. If I had not worked, was not working now, I am sure it might be different. I don't know.

It may be a location situation also. Here is am seeing the job market opening up quite a lot recently. Even so, we didn't have the slump that other parts of the country had. Also, there is a mindset here that values skill, experience, and work ethic and willingness to work. If a person has that, they will be working.

And yes, my sister-in-law just finished getting her degree in her dream career of nursing and she had a job directly out of school. She is loving it! I am happy for her after decades of miserable office work while she raised her boys.

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RE: releasing a slave - 5/3/2012 2:02:33 PM

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That's great for your SiL! Here things are VERY bad for most everyone. If I hadn't bought this practice, I would be very unhappy, as I had been in my search for other work in the past two years. I have clients with advanced degrees working minimum wage jobs because that's what they can find. Women? With wrinkles? Forget it.

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RE: releasing a slave - 5/3/2012 2:06:34 PM

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Very true. I am job hunting now as well, as although I do not have any wrinkles, this is the first time I am getting questions like, "so how do you feel working with much younger people?". I have never heard this kind of thing before and in my industry, digital media sales, youth is valued over experience.

I also think that anyone who doubts that there are all sorts of gender, age and other types of discrimination making it difficult for talented individuals to get a job today, should really get a grip. I have brilliant friends with masses of professional and successful experience who after age 50, are considered without value.

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RE: releasing a slave - 5/3/2012 2:09:35 PM

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Just because YOU haven't run across it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It is NOT easy to enter or re-enter the workplace in this economy at any age.

I cannot speak to what it may be like to enter, or re-enter, as I've not been out of work for longer than a few months, in decades. If I had not worked, was not working now, I am sure it might be different. I don't know.

It may be a location situation also. Here is am seeing the job market opening up quite a lot recently. Even so, we didn't have the slump that other parts of the country had. Also, there is a mindset here that values skill, experience, and work ethic and willingness to work. If a person has that, they will be working.

And yes, my sister-in-law just finished getting her degree in her dream career of nursing and she had a job directly out of school. She is loving it! I am happy for her after decades of miserable office work while she raised her boys.

That's great for your sister-in-law. Nursing is a great profession, and I've never quite understood the shortage.

I happen to live in a city where there are tons of 50 and 60-something year old men with dependent children who have been out of work for years now. And it has nothing to do with skill, experience, work ethic and willingness to work, but larger economic forces as certain industries shrink and other industries grow. I do not believe that all unemployment is the fault of the unemployed. There are larger societal and structural forces that explain some portion of the current unemployment landscape.

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RE: releasing a slave - 5/3/2012 2:18:17 PM

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That all just really sucks. As I said, I can only speak from my own point of view, the people I know.

One thing someone did write, skilled workers now working at minimum wage jobs. I didn't address that because that, to me, is a whole different kettle of fish. If a specialized skill set is outdated, it sucks but it's also a given that anyone with that skill set may be forced to take work that is less pay than they were used to. Simply because of their work history.

I know if I were to get rid of my graphics person he would absolutely be forced to work outside his career path and probably for less money. But it has nothing to do with age, he is in his mid thirties. Graphic designers are a dime a dozen. Very few with that degree are working as a graphic designer full time.

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RE: releasing a slave - 5/3/2012 2:35:42 PM

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That all just really sucks. As I said, I can only speak from my own point of view, the people I know.

One thing someone did write, skilled workers now working at minimum wage jobs. I didn't address that because that, to me, is a whole different kettle of fish. If a specialized skill set is outdated, it sucks but it's also a given that anyone with that skill set may be forced to take work that is less pay than they were used to. Simply because of their work history.

I know if I were to get rid of my graphics person he would absolutely be forced to work outside his career path and probably for less money. But it has nothing to do with age, he is in his mid thirties. Graphic designers are a dime a dozen. Very few with that degree are working as a graphic designer full time.

I often think we end up with these periods of larger unemployment when the economy is making big shifts - from certain industries/professions having been in the forefront and waning, to others that are newly emerging - and it always leaves some people caught in the shift.

Again, just to bring it back to the thread, I think with everything going on in our economy, agreeing to have someone in a relationship be financially dependent must absolutely come with some understanding of what will happen if things unwind. This is too large of a consideration, in my mind, to simply leave to someone's goodwill or to chance.

Any submissive, male or female, should not be naive about the implications of giving up one's profession/career/work - however one wants to phrase it. As the landscape shifts, and as relationships shift, too, one never knows when one will fall through the cracks....and at that point, if you have given up your career, you better hope you are with the right person when the relationship fails. Because if you are with someone like the OP who has to be convinced to offer assistance, then good luck to you...

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RE: releasing a slave - 5/3/2012 3:57:03 PM

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yeah.. try being female in a tech industry where being male and young is a better qualifier for a job.
Finding work out there at my age is why I am still working for my X, and living with constant attempts at being used.
It is not easy.

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RE: releasing a slave - 5/3/2012 4:05:15 PM

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I actually know of only one Gorean that has contributed to that site ;).

If you ever have questions about Gor, please message me or post in the Gorean section. Way too many dick-thumpers running around thinking it makes them in charge, and completely miss a lot of the morality and philosophy Lange used.

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Very nice website, ty Orion.

Yes, it does have some Gor overtones (I say this from what little I know of Gor), but it looks like great reading for anyone interested in the subject.

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RE: releasing a slave - 5/4/2012 10:31:51 AM

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Hi guys, for me when l find a master or mistress, l know it's not for ever and all l would like is the fare home.

And go where? How would you pay for somewhere to live while you found a job without any money? The economy's tough these days, especially if you've been out of the workforce for a while, and not everybody has family able or willing to take them in and support them for a while.

Also, from your photo I'm guessing you're in your late teens or twenties. It's one thing for you or me (I'm 27) to start from scratch, but for someone in the 50+ demographic, saving for retirement and dealing with expensive age-related medical issues becomes a pressing concern and having nothing is a much bigger burden. I know if my mom suddenly lost her job and her home and her health insurance and had to start over, I'd support her as well as I could but it would be very difficult.

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RE: releasing a slave - 5/4/2012 1:44:04 PM

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When someone lives with you they have rights under the law to protect them from people that say flippant things like "do you just wave your hand"
What kind of a Master are you? Guess what? Depending on how long she had lived with you you better have some money in your waving hand.
The game of M's does not supersede human obligation. I hope she takes you to the cleaners!

To the people that think kicking a person to the curb or not being blackmailed by by her pain, you give the rest of us a bad name.

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RE: releasing a slave - 5/6/2012 7:45:05 AM

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when it comes to releasing a slave or a slave in training it comes down to honesty and communication. I will have a meeting with them and the other members of the house to discuss the issues and why they are being released. I will give them enough time(by this point they should have been making preparations)to find a place to live. I revoke all priviledges and they have only guest status till they move. I will help them in any way i can in relocating(finances have already been set in place before they move in)

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RE: releasing a slave - 5/6/2012 4:06:10 PM

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I have to ask, did you not think about what would happen if it didn't work out when you took on a slave?

It is not a question of not wanting them anymore and poof, it's done - there are a whole host orf psychological factors involved.

my Owner and I are aiming for Internal Enslavement, which to him means as well as the perks he also has the responsibilitys... if for whatever reason a time does come when it no longer works or he is unable to keep me, I will be looked after until I am "reprogrammed" for want of a better word, he is also very careful to ensure that I maintain a level of functionality if I need it, for instance if something were to happen to him.

An M/s relationship is not something to be taken lightly, there can be a massive level of dependancy there and in some relationships, like mine, in part that can be an aim..

It's not like owning a car where you can just replace it if it breaks down, yes a slave is property but living property with thoughts and emotions.

You took this woman on, you kept her for 20 years. Now she is ill and you want your life to go a different direction so I'd say grow some balls, get her the help she needs, put decent time and effort into reprograming her to be able to stand on her own two feet and effectivly, man up.

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RE: releasing a slave - 5/10/2012 3:51:14 PM

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Releasing a Slave, simple........................??

If they want to be released let them go............immediately.

No slave is of any use, unless they truly wish to serve, they give their all, everything they have got, Heart, mind , body and soul, so if they want release, they have not given their all, they are not worthy, they can dismiss themselves.

A good Master has no shortage of slaves, if any Master has got a shortage then he must question himself, a good Master is addictive to a sub/slave, indeed a Master should also reciprocate, if he does not truly love his slaves, then slavery can not work.

Slaves are not worthless, when they become worthless, the Master has failed them badly, they have no self confidence or esteem, it is not the slave who is worthless, it is the Master.

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RE: releasing a slave - 5/10/2012 3:54:29 PM

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ConnossuerofPain this Master subscribes fully with your methodology, this Master wished more so called owners could be so responsible.

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RE: releasing a slave - 5/10/2012 4:25:37 PM

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When someone lives with you they have rights under the law to protect them from people that say flippant things like "do you just wave your hand"
What kind of a Master are you? Guess what? Depending on how long she had lived with you you better have some money in your waving hand.
The game of M's does not supersede human obligation. I hope she takes you to the cleaners!

This Master would reply to this comment as such, everything and everyone must take actions on merit, this Masters experiences demonstrate that most slaves and subs, wish to wonder off, because the grass always looks greener in the other field, Master usually only experiences this with subs who want training, and are not wholy owned by this Master, Slaves do not have such itchy feet, but over the last ten years social websites have made submissives less content with their lot, and they get occassionally bored, use social network sites, indeed like Collar Me, and soon think about trying other options.

Now as Shopkeeper says , a Master has a moral duty to a woman who has served him, also a financial duty, unlike Shopkeepers belief, there is little they can do legally , certainly in Europe, even with the Great European Human Rights, etc, etc, etc, but a Master has a duty, to see they leave financially sound, no matter why they leave, this Master agrees with Shopkeeper wholeheartedly on this point, a Master must have a clean spiritual heart, and wish his departing sub or slave well in her future.

Shopkeeper (quote) To the people that think kicking a person to the curb or not being blackmailed by by her pain, you give the rest of us a bad name.

Master will say, many men Doms suffer no such pain, these Doms are not worthy of the women who serve them, when a Master looses an asset, a woman who was his slave, he has lost a part of his life, she can never be replaced, if a Master does not suffer any pain, then he should never have taken this woman on as a slave, his mistake , is his failure, he should take stock and consider if he is worthy to own another person.

This Master has three women slaves, the eldest has served 20 year, at 46 years, Masters youngest has served about 5 years, she is 25years old next week, and Master has a middle slave, this Master loves them all, they are not doormats, they are strong independent women, Master has given them confidence, they are all beautiful, very well groomed, highly educated and inteligent, indeed part pof Masters training they succeed in commerce on their own merit, they have worth, not what this Master sees daily on CM, women who believe they are nothing, why would a Master want to own nothing.

If tomorrow all three wanted release, Master would release them, Master has given them the ability to survive in a difficult recession filled world, they would depart financially sound, this Master would have a heavy heart and would have lost much, but would have to ask himself how he has failed them, and indeed he has failed himself.

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RE: releasing a slave - 5/10/2012 4:41:49 PM

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ConnossuerofPain this Master subscribes fully with your methodology, this Master wished more so called owners could be so responsible.

MR

Are you really talking in third person speech? As a "master"?

I'm so confused.

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RE: releasing a slave - 5/10/2012 5:16:40 PM

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Indeed Cali

This Master wrote his reasoning in his Journals some few days ago.

There is a reason for everything, confussion is a beautiful state to be in, to speak as you say is a symtom of narcissism, this Master relates it to Illeism, Julius Ceasar (bless his soul) used illeism to impact an air of objective impartiality , which relates to justifications of the writers actions, thus this Master has a need to justify all he does, the fraternity demands established experienced people often to follow this route when writing to unknowns.

This Master is English , we do not use the expression (third person) H.G.Wells used illeism in The Time Machine, read it and understand just why, Master is often outside his very own body and observes, in intensive working with fragile women, it acts as a safeguard and discipline to ensure total safety, void of human nature controlling a situation that is better served by an overseer.

Cali do you understand honorifics, as identified in Master slave relationships, the military , you have the very best in the World , as a USA citizen, your very own military, use what you call third person, look it up, it is fact, USA military practises.

Salvador Dali, Bob Dole, Charles de Gaule, and of course this Master use what you call third person. Cerebus the Aarvark, Dracula, Dr.Doom.,Harry Potter, Gollom-Lord of the rings, Hercule Poirot of Agatha Christie fame, Gambit, this Master can remember no more at this moment, all used (third person)

So Cali that is this Master explanation, if you are still confused, visit Master in London, he has a wonderful solution to evaporate confussion.........................???

MR

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