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What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/28/2004 5:46:50 PM

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i have been and always will be a dog/slave.
my question for any Mistress that might wish to answer is: what is it about a dog/slave that Women do not want?
It is the opportunity, as i see it anyway..., that a Woman would find it somewhat appealing to own a dog/slave. They would have a personal slave to answer to their every whim while being able to treat it (him) as a dog. It is relatively easy to keep a dog. A leash, a kennel, a cage, easy to feed and care for...while having all of the benifits of a slave.
i am just wondering what i am doing wrong.

wolfie

RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/28/2004 6:20:19 PM

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Simple. Different strokes for different folks.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/28/2004 6:29:49 PM

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With interests as specialized as yours are, it only stands to reason that the pool of like-minded participants is going to be smaller than normal.

It's nothing personal.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/28/2004 6:30:12 PM

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First of all Wolfie, at 6'4" do you realize what a kennel for you would cost??? I've priced them. It would be a major expense. The guy I was looking for one for was only 5'10". You'd better have one heck of a good job. *smiles*

Now, realistically, there is more to being a human puppy than just having a leash around. How into being a dog are you? Do you just want to sleep in your kennel? Or do you want your food prepared and served in a bowl on the floor while you chew up the newspaper? Personally I enjoy limited Puppy Play. It is really just personal differences. If you lived in my area, I'd probably ask you out. Don't give up.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/28/2004 7:58:53 PM

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Thank You Beachmystress for the kind words. i kknow that my 'kink' is a bit different from what most think of a sub. i know i am bigger than most, but there are alternatives. i'm lean and healthy. i can please ten fold.
My question, however, is why a dog/slave cannot fill a void in a woman's life. Treating a man as a dog should be second nature to most (some) female doms. i don't ask for much.

wolfie

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/28/2004 8:03:43 PM

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Puppy play if fairly common in my experience.. just look at Mr S leather site ... all sorts of accoutrement for the puppy.. Most leather events have puppy play areas and they are usually brimming with boys and girls playing tugawar with ropes and rolling around.. and begging for the attention of any passing hand. You will see boys more frequently than girls dressed in leather muzzles and paw pads curled up at some Doms feet during a workshop; nothing wrong it with as far as I can see.. The only draw back for me personally is that I need more than just a puppy.. I need a companion and time out of character would be required.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/28/2004 8:04:43 PM

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I never underestimate the value of a good sniffer. I Used to not understand the whole, Dog/puppy thing, then I met two people.. one male and one female, who enlightened me as to the fun one can have with them and just how protective, and in heat they can be.. :)

Brings new meaning to "Be my Bitch!"..

To answer your question, I think it is the day to day dog/puppy play that most Mistress's view as more work for them..

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/28/2004 8:08:32 PM

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i guess that might be the problem then.
The truth is a Woman needs a man. A sholder to cry on, to lean on, to comfort her...
i guess a dog/slave, a true slave in all respects, an object, a piece of property, is not as desirable as i may have suspected.

Thank You for Your input.

wolfie

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/28/2004 8:13:24 PM

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To MaitresseEden:
Okay, so day to day pupppy play is more work...
It is also more long term...
The loyalty of a dog cannot be disputed.

wolfie

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/28/2004 8:25:59 PM

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How far into researching your kink have you gotten?

http://www.eatleather.com/ has some great dog hoods.

http://thedoghouse.org/maps/msindex.htm They call themselves a club for pan-sexual dog boys and bitches - humans with a animal soul.

http://www.leatherdog.com/ Gay site but some good info even if you're straight. .. I really enjoyed the writings by the female pup, pug.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/28/2004 8:27:58 PM

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I think this is a hard question to answer with the limited about of information that forum of this nature are inherit to have. Are you looking at full time dog'slave play? I mean to say, when you come home at night, go you expect to be treated as a puppy as soon as you clear the door?

If this is true, I can tell you that you're likely binding your Dom to serve you more than the other. I would hope that you're well trained in fetching things your Dom needs while she kicks up her feet after a long day. Do you pee on the floor and expect her to clean it up or are you willing to lick/clean it yourself?

See, part of the down fall of dog slave play is that you have to find ways to please your Dom. If you're constantly just wanting to lay in the keneel or be walked around the house, it's going to get old, and rather quickly.

I'm sure it possible that there is someone out there that will just want you to be a dog, but it's going to be hard to find that. I'm not into dog play, so my two cents are worth only what I have observed. Do you like any other play included in your dog play? Humilation, spankings, etc? You can stay in character and do other things. You just have to find the right combonation.

Of course, there is a huge difference between sceneing and living as a dog.slave fulltime.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/28/2004 8:32:51 PM

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BeachMystress,
i have been to all of the websites You have mentioned. i am sorry. They have not answered why a dog/slave is so unfavorable to a female Mistress.
It is my speculation that a female slave owner wishes only to dominate on a sublimiale level. While a dog/slave dominatiion is deeper and overpowering for both.
i personaly do not see how hard it could be to dominate a dog/slave since most of the material can be found in any 'normal' dog training book. Maybe i am simplifying the critiria too much. Please corect me if i am mistacken.

wolfie

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/28/2004 8:38:59 PM

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Tell me what you expect your "Owner" to do with you? As some here have asked, do you expect to be in dog role 24/7 when home? Most people do pup play on an occasional basis. Anyone who wanted a dog 24/7 would probably get a real dog. As to why so few of us are into the Pup Play.. who knows. Be happy that a handful are and keep looking for one close enough for you to serve.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/28/2004 8:47:28 PM

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The reason i pose this question is because as a male, if i were a dom, i would love the simlpification of slave ownership.
What i expect from an owner is simple:
food
water
an area to serve in some degree
sexual stimulation of some sort
and an ability to be who i realy am.
Being chained up is no big deal for me. Out of the way. Accepting in every aspect. The ability to just 'be.'
i have rarely seen a relationship of any nature realy work. Except that of a woman and her pet.
Maybe i am just warped. i don't know...
Being chained up and at the use of for my Female Masters pleasure is an overwelming desire.

wolfie

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/28/2004 9:04:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: Wolfiedog

for my Female Masters pleasure is an overwelming desire.

Wolfie, I know you were not trying to be offensive, so I am not taking offense. I am simply letting you know that I find the term female master offensive. Language and phrasing are important to me. I am a Mistress or a Domme. I am not and never will be any type of master. I am proud of being female and in no way desire to be male. The only place this phrasing doesn't bother me is when it is used in conjunction with the butch half of the D/s lesbian couple.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/28/2004 9:06:26 PM

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it is obveouse that Wmen desire a masculine male to do their bidding. At 6' 4" 223 pounds i am more than capabale of doing ANYONE's bidding. i can move rocks, mow lawns, cook eggs...
but the prospect of dog/slave ownership seems to elude the most fundamental parts of female domination.
Why is it that Mistress's seem to find it a bother to pour a bowl food of dog food for their servant?
Why is it such a bother to regard a prize posessesion such as a dog/slave a bother?
How many families own a dog verses how many get a slave's devotion in return?
Maybe i am a hard core who has seen so many dogs rot away in a kennel for weeks if not months with little or no attention at all.
While this is not my idea of heaven, it sure beats my need to be observed and treated as a dog.

wolfie

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/28/2004 9:10:46 PM

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To Beachmystress,

So sorry.
i do not mean to offend. Thank You for the benifit of the doubt.
i only use the term "Master" because it seems (to me) more absolute than Mistress. Maybe it is because i have been hit so many times with the idea that "Mistress" has to do with a 'lover on the side.'

my humbaliste of appologies...
wolfie

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/28/2004 10:42:33 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Wolfiedog

The reason i pose this question is because as a male, if i were a dom, i would love the simlpification of slave ownership.
What i expect from an owner is simple:
food
water
an area to serve in some degree
sexual stimulation of some sort
and an ability to be who i realy am.
Being chained up is no big deal for me. Out of the way. Accepting in every aspect. The ability to just 'be.'
i have rarely seen a relationship of any nature realy work. Except that of a woman and her pet.
Maybe i am just warped. i don't know...
Being chained up and at the use of for my Female Masters pleasure is an overwelming desire.

wolfie

You seem to have a pretty decent list of needs. Too, you gotta think that you're being provided for economically, as it doesn't sound like you're interested in working outside the house.

I -know- this is a kink for people. My only experience is with people who like their partners to have an animal role only sometimes, but I know that there are people that like it full time.

You say that it is 'unfavorable to mistresses' well, that's only the case for -some- people, you just haven't found the people who love it.

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i only use the term "Master" because it seems (to me) more absolute than Mistress. Maybe it is because i have been hit so many times with the idea that "Mistress" has to do with a 'lover on the side.'

Perfect example of gendered language. Master and mistress are analogous terms, yet there is a gender preference for the male term, and the female term of leadership has been co-opted not as one of power, but as one of subjegation.

Is it better for women to embrace the male term to define themselves, to avoid the 'stigma' associated with mistress? I would argue that that is simply buying into the existing setup, and would applaud dominant women who take that term and redefine it, socially.

Granted, though, I've been kinked long enough that I automatically think 'dominant woman' when I hear "mistress."

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/29/2004 4:08:05 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Wolfiedog

i only use the term "Master" because it seems (to me) more absolute than Mistress.

I completely agree that the gender lines are being confused when it comes to the terms Master and Mistress. I, too, automatically think of a Dominant Female when I hear the word 'Mistress' used. It's actually difficult for Me to think of it as a "lover on the side".

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/29/2004 4:37:15 AM

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Hello wolfie

I would imagine you are having difficulty because doggie/puppy roleplay is scene based. For one....dogs do not type. They do not talk. They do not have hands. For me....this type of play is fun for limited periods of time, but not on a full time basis. I require a slave that is more versatile in ability and interests.

I prefer a slave that enhances my life as well as my play. I can have a slave at my feet every day and also have him be my puppy when I want him to. I would grow bored with a boy that is one dimensional very quickly on a full time basis.

The life of a dog may seem very appealing. But in reality they are far simpler creatures than human beings. People require more attention, communication and care than animals. I would suggest, before you farm yourself out as a dog, that you hire a ProDomme to take you in as a pet for 7 days to 2 weeks (real life 24/7). This may give you a clearer idea of what the life of a dog is really like before committing to it for the rest of your life.

You may find the reality is far different than the fantasy.

One thing I have found most boys do not consider is this: In your fantasy you are ALWAYS DOMINANT. No matter how submissive you imagine yourself to be in your fantasy....you control all the characters in that scenario. The Domme only acts the way you want her to and the whole thing is geared towards your satisfaction. The reality may be quite different.

Good luck

Ms Sandi

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