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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/24/2012 5:21:36 PM   
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The fact remains, on an open circuit there is no resistance since there is no voltage.


How would you define an open circuit?

Also there is voltage since the switch, is the switch. To make it so there's no voltage you'd have to put another switch before the switch, or turn the power supply off altogether.




Dont be so stupid. If the switch is off there is no voltage unless you bridge across the break with a voltmeter, or ground one leg. On a 110v system each leg has 55v, giving one ten across the two. This works because while one phase acts as a feed, the other acts as a return (between pulses)

An open circuit is defined as:

Open circuit
A condition in an electric circuit in which there is no path for current between two points; examples are a broken wire and a switch in the open, or off, position. Open-circuit voltage is the potential difference between two points in a circuit when a branch (current path) between the points is open-circuited. Open-circuit voltage is measured by a voltmeter which has a very high resistance (theoretically infinite).






OMFGawd! this is hilarious!

Are you related to anax?

Standard 115v mains operate the same as a center tapped single phase transformer, there are no fucking pulses its AC and its single phase and its 180 degrees out of phase hence they both act as a feed. for fuck sake already. you never worked on mains in your fucking life.

There is always a path for current to flow between 2 points since there is no such thing as infinite in the real world any more than there is such a thing as an absolute short. Get a fucking clue already.

and 10^6 is high for voltmeters but its not very high on the scope of things LOL

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/24/2012 5:26:22 PM   
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There's nothing stupid about that, you just said the same thing with different words. Bridging across the break is what I meant because that's also what happens when the voltage becomes high enough on one of the terminals. There's only "no voltage" when the entire thing is turned off, meaning the whole power supply.

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A condition in an electric circuit in which there is no path for current between two points; examples are a broken wire and a switch in the open, or off, position.


Now this description is inadequate here, since we only have one supply wire, there's no need for a path for current in the normal sense. In this case, between two terminals of a bulb can be considered a circuit because the current path is effectively from one side of the filament to the other, after the filament the wire doesn't need to return to the power supply so it's already an open circuit by the normal definition.



zactly when you pull the source completely out of the circuit and all that is left is wires and resistors etc.

Like anax he thinks he can do a quick wiki read and pretend to be a lineman. sheesh

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/24/2012 5:41:03 PM   
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I want going to reply to your nonsense anymore but why not.

AC, is pulsed, wtf do you think Alternate Current stands for. Your own 220v supplies come from two 110v phases. In the Uk our 240V system comes via a 240v phase and a neutral.

You keep up with the ad hominem attacks on my to avoid your own fucking ignorance and stupidity comming to light. If you are going to troll please learn wtf you are talking about.


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Electric power distribution requires a circuit, usually represented as two wires leading to a device that uses electricity. In AC current, one wire is negative and the other is either is positive or neutral (ground). The two wires take turns at sending electricity. In North America, AC current uses a standard "rhythm" in which each side gets its turn 60 times each second, thus the 60Hz designation given to standard AC current. This switching of polarity takes the form of a rhythmic pulse in the electrical current that occurs within the normal audible range. This is why you can actually hear this rhythm in circuits such as fluorescent lighting ballasts and audio equipment as a low buzzing tone. This buzz is referred to as "sixty cycle hum". Prior to the 1970s, two AC power schemes were used in North America. One offered energy at 45-50Hz, the other at 60Hz. "Fifty-cycle power", occasionally referred to as "rural power", is now obsolete and the 60Hz standard is now used throughout North America.


Source ~~ http://www.energyvortex.com/energydictionary/alternating_current_(ac)__direct_current_(dc).html

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/24/2012 6:47:01 PM   
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I want going to reply to your nonsense anymore but why not.

AC, is pulsed, wtf do you think Alternate Current stands for. Your own 220v supplies come from two 110v phases. In the Uk our 240V system comes via a 240v phase and a neutral.

You keep up with the ad hominem attacks on my to avoid your own fucking ignorance and stupidity comming to light. If you are going to troll please learn wtf you are talking about.




read my lips,

AC IS NOT A FUCKING PULSE!

Ac is sinusoidal and a PULSE is best represented by an asymptote.

get a fucking clue already, this is getting beyond tiresome.



this is how the mains power is created, give you 10,000 guesses which one is the generator neutral;



Like I said this is who the mains are configured;


This is the difference between a sine and a fucking pulse;



I should be charging for this shit.








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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/25/2012 3:09:58 AM   
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Yawns.........

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/25/2012 8:17:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
read my lips,

AC IS NOT A FUCKING PULSE!

Ac is sinusoidal and a PULSE is best represented by an asymptote.

get a fucking clue already, this is getting beyond tiresome.

When we apply force to it the first troughand crest formed in the string is called pulse, continous trains of these crests and troughs forms the wave. And so we find PoliteSub53 pedantically and pluperfectly correct, and Real0ne pedantically and pluperfectly absolutely wrong. 
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Real0ne:
Like I said this is who the mains are configured;




which is exactly as describe by PoliteSub53 in post 703 proceeding yours.

(and there is no need for your third incorrect graphic on the difference between a sine and a fucking (sic) pulse and quote your incorrectness futher. It was dispensed with in the first rebuttal)  

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/27/2012 7:15:52 PM   
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LOL

yeh he got it partly right only after I corrected him and he researched wiki. LMAO

no its not called a pulse, its called a sine wave if it completes 360 degrees and its a continuous sine wave on mains since mains generators dont produce pulses. DUH LOL

so you can srublefart snarkel sniff and all that other gibberish you come up with and it does not change the facts. Unless of course you now plan to rewrite all the books.



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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/27/2012 10:08:35 PM   
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Don't know about over there, but around these parts there are two 230V hot lines and one cold for each house, with all circuits being tied to one hot line and the cold line, except for the stove and such, which uses all three lines.

Anyone care to point me to the page where the meat of what's being discussed is covered?

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/28/2012 7:00:15 PM   
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well yeh, if they are 115 they are tied to one hot line on one of 2 sides. there are 2 so called hot lines., one neutral and an earth ground. the 230 like I said is 180 out of phase from each other.


The meat in a word is that we could have an antenna on our car and receiving electrical power via the tesla system. the power is safe as it shows in the videos where people are holding 110 volt and 220 volt buls that are lit by their terminals and not getting a shock.

We gave that up because some banking interests got their way instead, so why not bring the 100 year old technology into the open so we can use it and get rid of all those ugly power lines and eires in our homes etc.

Expecially since people who have built them claim they get more at the receiver than is put into the transmitter.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/28/2012 7:42:39 PM   
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Care to show me a demo?

If you have an actual solution, and are willing to demo it to me, and it works, I'm pretty sure I can convince most people of that.

I do, however, reserve the right to be unimpressed if it turns out the same as every other claim I have investigated.

You won't find a fairer offer anywhere.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/28/2012 10:08:28 PM   
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Yeh sure here you go, knock yourself out!

Maybe your boat will float where the titanics sunk!

Good luck :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuJPz88jUbM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VINZ0P-Ay0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuehDylES_A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lvqI24L1VE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BkwZ-fIhEE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtNTdhvf07o

How many incandescent bulbs does anyone have where the filament attracts metal?
Any metal?
Here is alum foil,
Tin foil
Attracts it like a magnet does iron! LOLOLOLOL


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b4CUlKUd7s



look mom no on board power source!







WARNING HIGH VOLTAGE!!!






here is the rating;





Its even safe underwater;





here he holds it in his fingers and no shock

Light, The Tesla Way-01 - TMT 72.4 Scale



BUT I DONT GET A SHOCK EXPLAIN WHY ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu99eAEdLLw










The guy is holding the screw thread of the bulb and touching the center to the copper tube in the flower pot LOL Here is another one:













http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13152798/meyl-scalar-waves-first-tesla-physics-textbook-for-engineers-2003














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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/29/2012 12:16:46 AM   
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dRG

here is some shit you will like.

pay particular attention to the standing wave in the one flourescent, 50 watts lighting 400, the input power reduction with a load, and finally the way his incandescents glow.... SWEEEET!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq2Dol8rKzg&feature=fvwp&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=sCmWIYMzFVo&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA5i93-kGeo&feature=channel&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDhse44R_UA&feature=relmfu

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/29/2012 4:08:55 PM   
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Eric Dollard on so-called "scalar waves":

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Let us turn to the Heaviside Equation which is the most fundamental equations in all of Electrical Engineering:

(RG + XB) + j (XG – RB) = propagation constant squared

where:

R resistance in Ohms
G conductance in Siemens
X reactance in Henrys per second
B susceptance in Farads per second

Therefore:

RG is the scalar or DC component that is NOT A WAVE,
XB is the longitudinal or AC component and is an alternating electric wave

XG is the transverse or OC component and is a forward moving oscillating electric wave. RB is the transverse or OC component and is a reverse moving oscillating electric wave

This equation allows for all electrical conditions in time and or space and combinations thereof. The example equation is the dimensions of time (see: Steinmetz Theory of Transient Electric Waves and Phenomenon and also my paper: Symbolic Representation of the Generalized Electric Wave.)

Example:

The air in the room; the room is filled with air and has atmospheric pressure of 2998 mB, your stereo is blasting away, the speakers are creating longitudinal waves having length and frequency and exert a oscillating force centered on 2998 mB (+ or – 10 mB)

RG is the air pressure, a scalar
XB is the sound of the stereo, a longitudinal wave

XG = RB, thus no transverse waves exist (XG – RB) = ZERO

Hence (RG + XB) is what is going on in the room, the disinformers have convinced you that this whole quantity (RB + XB) is scalar, RG is the only scalar component. It is DC and has NO FREQUENCY, no WAVELENGTH and thus NO WAVE! SCALAR = NO WAVE - GET IT???


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/29/2012 4:19:46 PM   
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DrSock, your post is about radio waves. What has that to do with household power and the ability to harness it from the sky.....free no less, for general use ?


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/29/2012 4:31:07 PM   
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http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Steinmetz/CP%20Steinmetz%20-%20Theory%20and%20Calculation%20of%20Transient%20Electric%20Phenomena%20and%20Oscillations%20-%201909.pdf (1909)

http://archive.org/details/theorycalctrans00steirich (1920)

http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Eric_Dollard_Document_Collection/Symbolic%20Representation%20of%20the%20Generalized%20Electric%20Wave%20by%20Eric%20Dollard.pdf

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/29/2012 4:34:46 PM   
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DrSock, your post is about radio waves. What has that to do with household power and the ability to harness it from the sky.....free no less, for general use ?


No.


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/29/2012 4:47:32 PM   
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DrSock, your post is about radio waves. What has that to do with household power and the ability to harness it from the sky.....free no less, for general use ?


No.




No...........Is that it, no expansion or explaination, just "no"

You and RO are posting misleading crap and trying to fool people into thinking we can have free electricity to run houses, offices, towns and cities. Instead of using oil.......you are both full of nonsense and almost probably one of you a sock.

RO has also tried to convince me of the following

Bush downed the twin towers
George III still owns America
The nazis provided olympic swimming pools for those in the death camps (Got to make them comfy before the gas chambers huh )

And you wonder why I wont fall for the crap he constantly spouts. Next he will be suggesting I slept with Cheryl Cole...... if only eh.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/29/2012 5:01:35 PM   
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No...........Is that it, no expansion or explaination, just "no"

You and RO are posting misleading crap and trying to fool people into thinking we can have free electricity to run houses, offices, towns and cities. Instead of using oil.......you are both full of nonsense and almost probably one of you a sock.

RO has also tried to convince me of the following

Bush downed the twin towers
George III still owns America
The nazis provided olympic swimming pools for those in the death camps (Got to make them comfy before the gas chambers huh )

And you wonder why I wont fall for the crap he constantly spouts. Next he will be suggesting I slept with Cheryl Cole...... if only eh.


Why should I post more? You only want to waste time. I've never claimed you will get energy sprout out of thin air, in fact I've said you're not going to power your house with anything like that. There's another myth that because Tesla intended to provide the world with "free wireless energy" that the "free" must mean "sprout out of thin air". "Free" means "free to the consumer." The transmitter isn't self-powering. The river that turns the generator is free, and one who owns the generator may do with the generated power whatever he wishes.

The other post is about electric waves. High frequency electric waves = radio waves.


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/29/2012 5:11:14 PM   
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If so you should explain this to RO, because he is convinced a few 100ft ariels could run NY.

We could get into debate about Hydropower being free. The water is free, the infrastructure is costly etc etc.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/29/2012 5:50:49 PM   
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To be fair, with a bit of effort and a reasonably sized garden you could probably come up with a totally free fluorescent lighting system for your house through burying some bits of zinc and copper, but there certainly won't be much current for anything else.

Tesla was up to something with his radiant energy devices but I'm not convinced that anyone since really knows what he was talking about. This "gap" is obviously and naturally filled by all kinds of interpretations so the only reliable source is Tesla's writings, and I'm not aware he ever mentioned that this method would produce energy on an industrial scale. The factor being overlooked by most being the scale. Eric Dollard is the only person who has demonstrated charging a condenser with radiant matter, which is the beginnings of the utilisation of Tesla's radiant energy as described in the patent.

We could debate about everything if we wanted to. Even as it stands, the generators are there, the infrastructure is there and paid for, why do you pay bills? Maintenance doesn't cost the same, or increasing amounts each year, more than the thing costs to set up in the first place. The costs should be going down, not up, if we view it as any other business. Either way, paying bills is just a political and social arrangement. If the supplier chooses to give it away at no cost then that's his choice. But it would naturally upset any investor who happened to pay for it all, and that's the problem now, and was over 100 years ago, despite the ultimate benefits, greed overcomes it. And that's not to put down the investor either, because those consumers who would happily accept something for nothing, would still cling on to their beloved money concept blind to the potential abundance of wealth that surrounds them, demanding that the person who gives them free power pay them for the copper cables to be able to do it in the first place.


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