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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/30/2012 10:33:31 PM

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Ok I hate to be a stick in the mud, but on this one gave it a bit of thought and couple things that are imperative. First in order to set up a test that is absolutely conclusive you would need to make some kind of arrangement with the station to play say a 1/10th second burst of 20khz or whatever the top of their audio bandwidth is. You would need to have you equipment set up and ready to trigger on it.

Prior to doing that you would need to either determine any phase delays between the air receiver and the earth receiver so at a minimum they are known and you can properly adjust for the any inherent lag or lead.

know what I mean?

nice 1 wire pics man! Sort of totally fucks up amperes law! Not really but its not conventional and no one here can explain it!

Thats an experiment the kids can do at home. tape a piece of aluminum foil put it beside an incandescent bulb and it will NOT attract it like a magnet. When you light the same bulb with tesla technology it attracts aluminum foil as you showed in your video.

The receivers are brought into phase with a test oscillator before being set up to receive the respective signals. Both receivers are therefore tuned to exactly the same frequency, there can be no variation or phase differences as a result of this. The phase shift only shows up when receiving the radio signals overground vs underground. This wasn't the only test so it's not an impossible jumble of waves that seemingly have no start or end. Also while the Telluric signal is received ahead of the Hertzian signal, the Telluric receiver audio output is delayed. This is an X Y view showing the phase shift of the audio which was previously recorded (as shown and included in this video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAyUx3v5D08

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/30/2012 10:55:13 PM

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What are you claiming?

The first pictures appear to show ordinary wireless excitation, of the sort you can do with a cheap USB toy plasma globe (see pic). We do that in the semiconductor industry, laser technology, plasma and RF work, and so forth. The last picture shows the expected time delay for multipath propagation of a noisy 1MHz signal, and with no anomalous effects. Distortion is expected, as is the difference in behavior with frequency (a function of the properties of the material itself, which are dependent on wavelength, hence dispersion).

If you clarify what you meant to claim by those pics, it will be easier to address whether you've shown anything.

Looks to be screen caps from the same videos, btw.

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Something different. Also nothing finalised yet, just small examples, most of this having been done in the very early stages.

Ordinary wireless excitation involves energising the gas in a fluorescent tube or neon bulb etc, here there is one wire connected to one terminal of the coil and a filament bulb is being lit, no gas energising. The bucket of soil has a wire from the coil connecting to one of the copper pipes, which I'm in direct contact with through two 240v 15w (oven) bulbs in parallel.

The last picture is of a 882 kc radio transmission, one signal is being received through a normal crystal radio receiver, the other is through a flat spiral coil receiving the underground signal from the same grounded transmitter. Crystal radios of course being powered from the transmitted energy. Hence Tesla's wireless energy transmission.

A closer view of the setup but with various errors (receivers hadn't been brought into phase, scope was connected in the wrong place etc hence the noticeable sound difference between the later videos)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KstCoWMeewU

I don't have any way of measuring the light spectrum of the bulb at the moment.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/31/2012 12:00:51 AM

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What are you claiming?

I'm also claiming that Tesla was right, and that the Tesla enthusiasts, and the experts, and consequently nearly everyone else and all understanding of it, is wrong.

Apart from the fact that the inventor described it's workings as being totally contrary to how people today believe it works, experimental evidence includes such effects as this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG3IvZEVB4c

If you were to say that you would not be able to transmit enough energy through the air to power the load at the receiver, you would be right. It's not going through the air. That's what Tesla was on about all along. Note how the whole radiator, in fact the whole house, is energised, despite the fact of the whole thing being earthed. A metal plate in close proximity with the radiator even begins to cause the load to light while I'm holding the metal, apparently it doesn't care too much for grounding through me when the transmission line itself is earthed. This is nowhere near an optimised system, yet the claimed effects are observed.

[edit] This is one such program that spreads the false gospel through TV. Or rather, they are talking about one thing while demonstrating something else, because they believe it's all the same thing. You could say that all conventional (false) understanding is spread through reporters and generalists rather than specialists who actually understand it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35B-Jm4rFTw

He speaks as if no one has seen or been able to do such a thing since Tesla...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d_LNHIFlzI

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/31/2012 12:20:20 AM

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I'll have another look at the reply tomorrow. It's late here now.

As for the light spectrum, just use a CD or DVD with a slit between it and the light source, then set your digital camera to a long exposure time after focusing it at infinity and directing it at the diffracted light bouncing off the disc. I'm not asking for a high resolution spectrum with double grating dispersion and a scanning fabry-perot interferometer here, just a simple image to demonstrate that you're getting a blackbody spectrum without unexpected peaks or dips in it.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/31/2012 9:31:57 PM

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Interesting, thanks. I'll do that but it might take some time because it's all set up for different tests at the moment and all the high voltage stuff is dismantled. But when it is done I'll also do the bulb with mains supply to see if there are any differences. Should be an interesting experiment.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 9/1/2012 7:07:28 AM

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Yeah, okay. I think I'm going to have a look at the results of that before commenting further.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 9/1/2012 9:23:19 AM

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HAvent done anything but stand on a soap box so far screaming debunked, the famous last words of titanic experts.

I haven't made any claims. You have. The soap box is yours, as is the screaming. I've been perfectly civil.

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What is explained and what are the elements of your unstated explained?

The operation of the demo kit by Meyl, which he claims to demonstrate unconventional physics, has been shown to be accounted for by conventional physics. It does what we already knew how to do. It does not show anything we haven't already seen. This is something that has been checked out by German investigators, among others, and if you choose to read the German articles on this guy (all available from several different sources, including the university where he works), then you might see him somewhat differently.

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Independent verification? By WHom?

Let's start with me. Then we can move on to the most advanced individually owned lab in the field. Then the serious labs. If you can deliver, I can get it out there and make you rich in the process. If not, you will be left broke, and looking like a fool. Either-or, and all depending on you. So, how much faith do you have in this idea? Enough to have a real stake in it?

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No need to waste your money.

Unless it works, my money isn't going anywhere near this. I'll screen things for people who know my word is good, s'all.

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Going ballistic? HUH? You ok?

Let's just say you're not being particularly civil at the moment, and that I'm expressly requiring the next reply to me from you to be polite or nonexistent. Period.

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well you wanted to see something "new" and green showed you something new, at least in so far as what people in todays world are aware of.

First; You have a hot filament that attracts aluminum foil,

Second; People do not get a shock when in parallel with lit 220 volt bulb terminals,

Third; you seen single terminal lighting of a tungsten filament bulb.

All of which tongue and cheek "modern" day science 100+ years after the fact have no explanation for.

you do not need a lab. You need to get your hands on wardenclyffe, finish the deep tunnel grounding and reassemble the tower.

Tesla stated time and time again and in court that his transmission is not hertzian. Marconi even though he used 17 of teslas patents was a hybrid and was hertzian.

Sure pick up wardenclyffe and supply everyone involved with a blackwater team for the remainder of what will most likely be a very short life expectancy once its up and running if not before that.

oh and with regard to meyl, these so called german investigators I can name them. They have not definitively shown anything of the sort. It is only their claim yet unproven. In fact some of those so called investigators agree with meyl. If there has been some new development that I am not aware of by all means post what you got. Otherwise I will take you right back to those 3 "mysteries", that have worked for over 100 years that modern science cannot explain.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 9/1/2012 9:48:53 AM

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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_aluminum_foil_absorb_heat

Aluminum foil out of the way. It warps in the direction of heat.

that is way low frequency on the electro-mag. 1220 or so F is where aluminum will melt.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 9/1/2012 10:30:20 AM

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you need to watch the video so you can see how off base you are. the point that bends appeared to be over a foot away. It does the same to copper.

and that does NOT happen when you plug the bulb and setup into the wall. So much for heat.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 9/1/2012 5:12:21 PM

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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_aluminum_foil_absorb_heat

Aluminum foil out of the way. It warps in the direction of heat.

that is way low frequency on the electro-mag. 1220 or so F is where aluminum will melt.

The effect is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b4CUlKUd7s

And it also attracts paper:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQceH7YemEA

It's not an electrostatic field, the attraction effect is only observed when using the bulb (light). Also the light will charge a condenser, for example if you were to connect one terminal to the aluminium tape and the other to earth. On this refer to US Patent 685,957 Apparatus For The Utilization Of Radiant Energy

http://www.google.com/patents/US685957?printsec=drawing#v=onepage&q&f=false

Note Fig. 4.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 9/1/2012 5:58:04 PM

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Yeah, okay. I think I'm going to have a look at the results of that before commenting further.

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Fair enough, but the focus of this isn't really the light, that's just one effect or application. Although I have been curious about the light spectrum, these things keep branching off from the main thing. In this video for example there is the light, but also the way the bulb is powered to even produce the light to begin with. At 35 seconds one terminal of the bulb is connected to the metal lid of a glass jar containing pure tap water, no salt or anything like that. The jar is completely isolated by normal standards and placed next to the bucket of soil which is energised by one terminal of the coil, the jar and the bucket are both on top of a wooden chair. The other terminal of the bulb is held in my hand. Upon contact with the metal lid, the bulb lights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtNTdhvf07o

So while it's all well and good if light is your thing, I want to know the same thing too and you will have what you requested, there are also a lot of other things going on that are equally of interest, or even more so in the technology that is capable of producing these effects, whatever the form the observable effect may take.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 9/2/2012 4:42:03 AM

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yours with aluminum

yours with paper

here is dollard with copper

Below is dollard with the bubl plugged into the wall NADA!

teslas drawing showing its recoverable energy

dollard proving it by charging and discharging a capacitor by holding it near the lit bulb

this like sp amny other things has been painted as conspiracy theorist shit by the tards.

and this stuff has been out there since 1970 and no one has heard of it

meanwhile we could be driving around using recoverable energy LMAO

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 9/2/2012 11:51:55 AM

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Yup warps towards heat, like I said. Didnt see anything else.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 9/2/2012 2:06:24 PM

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What does "warps towards heat" mean?

I'll reply based on my interpretation of it until you clarify, but the tape isn't bending or warping, it's getting "sucked in". The whole piece of tape is free to move from the top axis as a swing, and the whole thing moves when exposed to this light.

[edit] Also Real0ne's post shows Eric Dollard's demonstration where the same bulb being powered by mains doesn't attract the copper tape towards the bulb. Also he's using copper tape, not aluminium.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 9/3/2012 8:28:43 AM

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didnt see it, and dont believe its copper tape. all metal (ALL METAL) will bend towards heat.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 9/3/2012 2:19:57 PM

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Well that's what it is nonetheless. Nothing is bending, the metal is dangling free.

If one was claiming that the metal was bending, then that person would be accused of talking nonsense. So I don't see how the same argument can be used to explain it away. It can clearly be seen that the metal isn't bending due to heat.

Not to mention if that was the case then the same effect would be observed with a bulb powered from mains, because the same heat would be produced. But the effect is not observed.

So "I don't believe" about sums it up. This is the/a point. I replicated it to find out the truth. "Not believing it" and arguing against it with no experimental background is irrelevant because it's the same as saying the earth is flat. It is what it is whether you believe it or not, reality is only for humans to catch up with, it has always been the way it will always be regardless of human beliefs at any particular point in their evolution.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 9/3/2012 3:20:38 PM

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Fair enough, but the focus of this isn't really the light, that's just one effect or application.

Point being, if the spectral evolution is consistent with a blackbody heating up, that is substantially different from things like leakage ionization and the like. And even so, it's not news that a single wire is enough to transfer a charge, which will cause heating if there is repeated transfer of a charge in both directions. Such is the way of self capacitance. Nor is it news that nearfield EM has many interesting applications, such as in induction heating of nearby foils of metal or remote transfer of energy.

Showing the spectral balance will go a long way toward the necessary step of letting others get a handle on what you're claiming to be doing. If you additionally capture the evolution of the spectral balance, you can disambiguate a large number of effects, which is a part of what you need to do if you want to show that there is something else at work than the effects that spring most readily to mind. I'm assuming you're sufficiently familiar with electronics and optics to set up the gear to do these things, and thus pointing out that it may hurt your credibility to not show these aspects of your work.

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Although I have been curious about the light spectrum, these things keep branching off from the main thing.

Hardly. It is one of the places where anything interesting will show up. It might also be a good idea to show the 3D magnetic and electric field evolution in the area, and at low frequencies it is quite possible to get a decent sampling from fluxgate magnetometers to circumvent the low resolution of Hall effect sensors, as well as using regular JFETs in a differential matrix for the electric fields. Such measurements are crucial to showing what's actually going on.

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In this video for example there is the light, but also the way the bulb is powered to even produce the light to begin with.

Which is what you would disambiguate with spectral measurements and field maps.

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The jar is completely isolated by normal standards and placed next to the bucket of soil which is energised by one terminal of the coil

Which is consistent with the excellent dielectric properties of a glass jar full of water and the presence of an alternating field.

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So while it's all well and good if light is your thing, I want to know the same thing too and you will have what you requested

I'll be around.

As I tried to point out before, I'm not convinced, but I'd love to find something unexpected.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 9/3/2012 6:42:31 PM

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Showing the spectral balance will go a long way toward the necessary step of letting others get a handle on what you're claiming to be doing. If you additionally capture the evolution of the spectral balance, you can disambiguate a large number of effects, which is a part of what you need to do if you want to show that there is something else at work than the effects that spring most readily to mind. I'm assuming you're sufficiently familiar with electronics and optics to set up the gear to do these things, and thus pointing out that it may hurt your credibility to not show these aspects of your work.

I don't know anything about optics, but getting the spectrum should be easy enough and I have some mirrors specifically designed for the task around here somewhere so it will be of the highest DIY quality I can manage with the available materials. I don't know what you mean by the evolution of the spectral balance. If you are knowledgeable in the area then I'm open to any suggestions you might have on how to make things and set them up etc, but I don't intend to make a massive project out of optics at this stage in terms of building instruments, but I do intend to look into other things in that area in the future so suggest away

I'm currently concerned with tuning a proper TMT setup, that's what I mean by the main thing. A two coil arrangement will light the bulbs and that's easy enough to do, but the three coil configuration requires some specific tuning between the secondary and extra coil to work as a transmitter/receiver at a predetermined frequency, so I'm working on finding what the tuning relations are. This is a much more complicated task relating to radio in a sense and transmission lines so this is the priority at the moment. This will probably take quite a while so the spectrum tests will be done before that's finished, but anything much more complicated than that will have to be put on hold because there's a lot to do.

Alternatively if you want to see the light effect and do more advanced tests on it you can make the simplest and cheapest possible coil out of some wire and PVC tube. This is made from I think about 21 metres of wire on 20mm PVC conduit with a small frame of pine dowels for the primary. Supply the primary with high voltage high frequency currents at the coil's resonant frequency and you'll see it easily enough. The only difference between this and any other "Tesla coil" out there is the fact my output is the ground end while leaving the top capacitance free to do what it's supposed to do, where normally they ground one end and have big sparks from the top with fluorescent tubes lighting up. IE the ground end of the coil is the output, the top is a capacitance or a virtual ground, not an output. Either way this is simple enough to do at minimum cost, no particular construction details to consider or anything. At the start of the video I'm just playing with a bulb as half plasma globe half incandescent bulb, depending on the capacitance on the other side of the terminal. When there's no plasma the other terminal is either connected to a bucket of soil as the capacitance or earthed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLhOJblbJzQ

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 9/4/2012 10:05:54 AM

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Well that's what it is nonetheless. Nothing is bending, the metal is dangling free.

If one was claiming that the metal was bending, then that person would be accused of talking nonsense. So I don't see how the same argument can be used to explain it away. It can clearly be seen that the metal isn't bending due to heat.

Not to mention if that was the case then the same effect would be observed with a bulb powered from mains, because the same heat would be produced. But the effect is not observed.

So "I don't believe" about sums it up. This is the/a point. I replicated it to find out the truth. "Not believing it" and arguing against it with no experimental background is irrelevant because it's the same as saying the earth is flat. It is what it is whether you believe it or not, reality is only for humans to catch up with, it has always been the way it will always be regardless of human beliefs at any particular point in their evolution.

If one is going to be pedantic to the idiotic level, one is even less likely to convince, since we are unsure of any factual evidence that the whatever that strip is is dangling, that it is not motivated out of frame, or that the other bulb is somehow different. So, we have nonsense explicating more nonsense.

There has been no demonstration and this 'dollard' is nonsense, since there is no meaning to that word.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 9/4/2012 2:54:13 PM

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Eric Dollard is the guy's name. He is ex NAVY and RCA radio engineer and electrical engineer, he is the one who will tell you to throw the Meyl toys and Bedini and Bearden trash in the bin. He currently has no equipment but has been working on theory based on the work of earlier scientists such as Heaviside and Steinmetz, which I and two others have been testing and providing him with the experimental data. Hence the obstacle arrived at is an advanced transmission line problem. He's not working in secrecy behind closed doors.

The whole setup from the video is shown in a lot more detail in the actual video and the bulbs are identical, if you were to take the time to check the source. I expect Real0ne converted the video sections into gif knowing that no one will ever spend 55 mins of their time watching such a thing to learn something different. That's not to be pedantic, that's to illustrate the difference between an opinion over the front cover and an opinion over the whole story behind the cover.

I know there's no strings off camera pulling it because I replicated it to find out. I didn't attach any strings so I know 100% for certain there are no strings. Not to mention faking the whole thing, including the free swing convincingly, would be a lot more trouble than it's worth. The effects are easier observed for real than they are faked, and I certainly wouldn't bother wasting my time making fake crap to come here to try and convince you people that it's real. All effects you have seen here are real and are easily reproduced, it can be science or it can be magic depending on how you want to go about it. I understand your scepticism but at the same time in that case the only way you will ever find out is by doing it yourself, which you probably won't due to the scepticism, so you'll never know. Which then again doesn't really make any difference I suppose unless you're interested in that sort of thing.

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