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Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 6:56:38 AM

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/06/walmart-outsourcing-depresses-wages_n_1573885.html

Another reason our economy has gone to hell

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 7:15:24 AM

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Yet several of the Waltons are in the list of most wealthy people in the world.

Funny how that works isn't it...?

(yet somehow it's wrong to expect the wealthy to pay higher taxes)

Even funnier, the people that are hurt the most, tend to be the bulk of the people that vote for the politicians that keep the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 7:16:24 AM

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Aint no warfare like class warfare...

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 8:07:11 AM

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And yet "patriotic Americans" keep shopping at Walmart. This country probably deserves what is happening to it.

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 8:33:01 AM

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Even funnier, the people that are hurt the most, tend to be the bulk of the people that vote for the politicians that keep the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.

Saw some shocking numbers from the Wi exit polling.

As could be expected union members voted for Barrett 70/30 and nonunion households voted for Walker 60/40. However members of union HH who weren't themselves union members voted for Barrett by a small margin (this provided Walker his margin of victory). Thus people who likely rely on a union paycheck voted for a union buster who has stated he intends to break all unions, public and private sector.

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 8:42:58 AM

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/06/walmart-outsourcing-depresses-wages_n_1573885.html

According to NELP, a non-profit closely aligned with labor groups critical of Walmart's practices, the subcontracting has helped lead to "rampant wage and overtime and health and safety violations," many of which have been detailed in class-action lawsuits and citations from government labor officials. Workers employed at Walmart-contracted facilities in both Illinois and California have sued their employers in recent years, claiming the contractors have cheated them out of pay and violated minimum wage laws.

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 8:49:26 AM

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While I was reading that link, a friend sent this. How much does your workplace suck when they station ambulances there?!?

Amazon workers cool after company took heat for hot warehouse

...The heat index, a real-feel measure that considers heat and humidity, surpassed 100 degrees in the warehouse multiple times last year and sometimes exceeded 110, according to reports filed with the federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration.

Work in the warehouse is physical, with many employees walking more than 10 miles per shift plucking items from shelves. Workers said those who didn’t move at a sufficient pace faced termination. They said quotas were not reduced when temperatures soared.

...Signs of problems at the warehouse surfaced in May 2011, when Cetronia Ambulance Corps made several trips to the facility to treat workers suffering from the heat. Amazon subsequently paid to have ambulances stationed in its parking lot on hot days in case workers suffered heat stress.

In June of that year, OSHA started receiving complaints about working conditions in the warehouse. One employee complained that 15 workers collapsed on the job when the warehouse heat index exceeded 100 degrees, according to OSHA records. An emergency room doctor who treated warehouse workers suffering from the heat called federal regulators to report an “unsafe environment,” OSHA records state. OSHA opened an inspection of the warehouse that month.

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 8:49:55 AM

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yes and who gets hurt,the little guy! lets face it,we are to become slaves,just like in the days of the pharohs! and you better pray that ROMNEY and DONALD TRUMP DONT GET INTO THE PRESIDENTIAL OFFICE OR IT WILL BE ALL OVER FOR AMERICA! HAVENT WE HAD ENOUGH OF THESE LYING REPUBLICAN ASSHOLES WHO PRETEND TO BE ON THE SIDE OF GOD, BUT WITH THEM THE ONLY THING THEY WORSHIP IS THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR,BELIEVE ME THIS COUNTRY CANNOT,CANNOT TAKE ANOTHER HIT--VOTE DEMOCRAT!!!---elegant1

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 8:52:25 AM

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 8:58:09 AM

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VOTE DEMOCRAT!!!

While I firmly intend to vote Democrat, you won't have any luck convincing swing voters with all those CAPS and exclamation points.

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 12:24:16 PM

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To be fair, he wouldn't convince the "independent" voters on here with facts, jedi mind tricks, brown acid, black magic or brainwashing. A few BLOCK CAPITALS won't make any difference, will they?

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 1:24:56 PM

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yes and who gets hurt,the little guy! lets face it,we are to become slaves,just like in the days of the pharohs! and you better pray that ROMNEY and DONALD TRUMP DONT GET INTO THE PRESIDENTIAL OFFICE OR IT WILL BE ALL OVER FOR AMERICA! HAVENT WE HAD ENOUGH OF THESE LYING REPUBLICAN ASSHOLES WHO PRETEND TO BE ON THE SIDE OF GOD, BUT WITH THEM THE ONLY THING THEY WORSHIP IS THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR,BELIEVE ME THIS COUNTRY CANNOT,CANNOT TAKE ANOTHER HIT--VOTE DEMOCRAT!!!---elegant1

Careful you'll start an idiot stampede... replete with an appearance from our resident first hand expert on senility. Oh, and you'll join the communist party in the process.
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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 1:28:58 PM

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I assure you that The Donald will not be ensconced in the White House.

Nope it's down basically to token hispanic Rubio, token woman Kelly Ayotte, and a handful of closet klansmen.

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 1:30:37 PM

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While I firmly intend to vote Democrat, you won't have any luck convincing swing voters with all those CAPS and exclamation points.

Like there's any of those in here.

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 1:50:06 PM

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yes and who gets hurt,the little guy! lets face it,we are to become slaves,just like in the days of the pharohs! and you better pray that ROMNEY and DONALD TRUMP DONT GET INTO THE PRESIDENTIAL OFFICE OR IT WILL BE ALL OVER FOR AMERICA! HAVENT WE HAD ENOUGH OF THESE LYING REPUBLICAN ASSHOLES WHO PRETEND TO BE ON THE SIDE OF GOD, BUT WITH THEM THE ONLY THING THEY WORSHIP IS THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR,BELIEVE ME THIS COUNTRY CANNOT,CANNOT TAKE ANOTHER HIT--VOTE DEMOCRAT!!!---elegant1

Careful you'll start an idiot stampede... replete with an appearance from our resident first hand expert on senility. Oh, and you'll join the communist party in the process.
Without ever leaving the comfort of your computer chair

Hey hey hey, the Communist Party isnt a bad place to be

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 2:26:28 PM

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And yet "patriotic Americans" keep shopping at Walmart. This country probably deserves what is happening to it.

It appears that you are saying that the stupid and the ignorant deserve to be fucked?

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 3:31:06 PM

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Even funnier, the people that are hurt the most, tend to be the bulk of the people that vote for the politicians that keep the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.

Saw some shocking numbers from the Wi exit polling.

As could be expected union members voted for Barrett 70/30 and nonunion households voted for Walker 60/40. However members of union HH who weren't themselves union members voted for Barrett by a small margin (this provided Walker his margin of victory). Thus people who likely rely on a union paycheck voted for a union buster who has stated he intends to break all unions, public and private sector.

Excuse #4.

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 4:42:02 PM

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And yet "patriotic Americans" keep shopping at Walmart. This country probably deserves what is happening to it.

It appears that you are saying that the stupid and the ignorant deserve to be fucked?

In a democracy, people get the leaders they deserve...

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 4:43:38 PM

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Even funnier, the people that are hurt the most, tend to be the bulk of the people that vote for the politicians that keep the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.

Saw some shocking numbers from the Wi exit polling.

As could be expected union members voted for Barrett 70/30 and nonunion households voted for Walker 60/40. However members of union HH who weren't themselves union members voted for Barrett by a small margin (this provided Walker his margin of victory). Thus people who likely rely on a union paycheck voted for a union buster who has stated he intends to break all unions, public and private sector.

Excuse #4.

Firm

Did you have something substantive to add?

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 5:00:11 PM

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just some personal observations.

back in the day, nobody complained too much when Whitefront, the then giant warehouse retailer, did the same types of things as Walmart. they put my dad's Citizen Band (CB) radio store out of business when CBs really took off. he couldn't compete offering service and knowledge compared to half price. ironically, they were before their time, and went out of business themselves.

so rather than bitch and moan, my father went into the computer business. cut to many years later, and same thing happened. his small mom and pop PC store couldn't compete with Radio Shack and other vanilla retailers dumping cheap or under-powered shit with no service (when PCs really took off).

rather than bitch, he went back into his old profession (engineering). bwaa hahahahaha, you know how that goes, right? it's a very outsourced field. well, he retired not too long after that anyway.

from my own perspective, the rates and wages i can ask and charge for what i do have significantly gone down because of cheap overseas competition being shipped in. it's an abuse of the H1b Visa program, because there's plenty of qualified Americans ready and willing to do this highly paid work.

rather than bitch and moan, i've tried to differentiate what i have to offer. I've played up the qualities (such as superior communication abilities and management skills) that allows me to at least still try and get better rates and wages.

my overall point is, we cannot stop economies of scale and businesses trying to optimize and be efficient, even if it's at the expense of society and workers. no amount of bargaining or public protests will stop the Walmartization of our society. one town stopping them means they move to the next. the alternative is worse - a bloated government controlled market, ala the Greeks, and many EU countries soon to follow. I.e., inefficiency and govt control is NOT the way to go.

the best we can hope for is to reverse this trend of government actually rewarding this poor behavior (taxes, labor laws, Etc), and turn it around so that it's cheaper to hire local or at least U.S. labor. no matter what we do, the labor and job market is like electricity - it will flow to the easiest most profitable spots. let's not end up like the old Soviet Union, who were arguably bankrupted trying to keep pace with the West, and who finally collapsed and adopted Western market reforms, such as more entrepreneurship, and open efficient markets to be able to compete.

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