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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:22:40 PM   
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I would just like to share that in the time you've been wasting by sitting
here debating about whether or not it's a good idea to create a list of fakes,
I had real live flesh on flesh ohmygoodnessmoreplease sex....twice!

Perhaps if you didn't exert so much of your energy on the negatives of
this site, you too can one day experience it for yourself.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:23:03 PM   
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lafayette lady: Give me your email address and I will copy and paste the list of my messages here during the past 10 days.....Then you can apologize here for deliberately lying about me

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

quote:

ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

I don't have "several profiles" on CM. I said I am contacted my many people because of all the profiles I have on other websites.

I also mentioned that all my profiles contain the same information so there would be no basis for somebody listing me as dishonest in that respect.

Why do you guys have to resort to deliberate falsehoods about me? Can't you make your best case without resorting to that? What the hell is wrong with you?




Ok, I know I said I was done with this thread, but I just can't help it.

How do we verify you are a liar? Read all your own profiles and then look at the bolded statement above.  Then find yourself a mirror.  "Many people" are contacting you, anxious to involve themselves in activities that could result in their death?  Delusional much?

Again, your profile here (and everywhere if they are all the same) are begging for scammers to contact you.  You come off as completely sex driven, which is what they look for.  Desperate people do desperate things.

There is no way you are contacted by "many people" as you say.  Add to the above your absolute argumentative nature and inability to grasp simple concepts and anyone who did contact you will soon just "poof" because they realize if they tried to explain anything to you, you would never shut up.

You have been here a year.  I have been here, in some permutation or other since 2004.  I have seen people like you rant, whine and complain about fakes and liars more times than a teenage boy masterbates. 

The bottom line remains this: 

You have been told by nearly every regular poster in this forum that your "suggestion" is not only serious flawed, but given examples of how it won't work.

You have been told by a Moderator of this site, who actually works on trying to put strategies in place to improve the site, that your "suggestion" is seriously flawed, and it won't work, again with examples.

You have set yourself up, by the words in your own profile to be a target for scammers, yet all suggestions of this fall on deaf ears.

We get it, you don't like people who you perceive as disingenuous.  You expect people to follow through with what they say they will do.  You are unable to accept the reality that it doesn't happen and is part of life.

Please, in the name of all that is holy, stop trying to get people to accept your concepts and suggestions.  You talk on and on about time wasters, but apparently you have far too much time on your hands.  All of us who have posted to you have not done so because we have no lives outside of the computer.  We have posted because, for me, it is a rainy day, I've been sick for several months and I really don't have anything better to do.  You have been no more than a source of entertainment.  It is doubtful anyone on this board is ever going to look seriously at anything you post in the future because of this post. 

Please, please, PLEASE, go to one of the "many other" sites where you have the exact same profile, and complain to them for a while on their message boards.  See if you can get different results.  But remember what they say, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

Time for me to take the last of my painkillers and relax.


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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:23:25 PM   
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Yes that one person started his own fakes and scammers thread quite recently it seems....

If you had read his you would have saved soooo much time

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:24:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: Master2811

From what I read of this thread is this: OP comes with suggestions to improve this site. NO NO NO, the regulars are very satisfied with a site full of liars, scammers and the like. Like an angry mob in a farmers village they come with their pitchforks trying to scare the OP away. I also read threads about how tolerant we must be. Totally laughable the hypocrisy.


Nope. These issues have already been addressed by the owners of this site to their satisfaction.....whether you like it or not. When you own a site you can deal with it however you see fit.

Part two: The fact that your post about fakes was also shot down clearly has made you bitter.

Part three: Tolerance does not equate blindly following someone else's suggestions.




OK. Your first line: apparently the "owners" of this site have not addressed this issue properly. If they had it would not be an issue anymore.

Your second line. No, I am far from bitter. That is another strawman attack. Do not confront the issue but assume the poster has emotional issues, so predictable.

Your third line: Tolerance means that you tolerate.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:24:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pshornyguy


My point is this: Suppose you ask to see somebody's pics and they send you 3 pics. Suppose, further, that you ask them how old their pics are and they say they all were taken within the past 6 months.

Then---suppose you look at 2 other websites where that same person has a profile and the pictures they have posted on those 2 other sites are obviously totally different people.

In fact, suppose (as many sites do) you can see the date when their pics were uploaded and it is within the same 6-month period (give or take a few months) but you notice totally different hair, a different body structure, a different face, maybe even different shaped eyes or nose etc. In short, the other profiles contain pics of two entirely different persons from the pics you were sent.

Obviously, that would be evidence that the person you are chatting with has been dishonest because you would not know which of all those pics (if any) are valid.


Wait...but what qualifications are we using to determine if that other profile is even the same persons? I know my screen names are used on other sites by other people. There is another Lady Leandra out there (Which I didn't realize when I started this) who is older than me and not into the same kinks. We don't run in the same circles so theres no reason either of us should have to change our names, just say "No thats the other Leandra". But what if someone doesn't believe me (or several someones) and calls foul? Thats the THIRD reason I would end up on your precious list. OMG I must be a HORRIBLE person!

Also, whats to stop me from taking a sub that ticks me off and gathering a group of my friends to start bashing him on this list, spread out over a bit of time to make it look better?

In short, what safeguards do you propose for your blacklist (see my last post for the definition of blacklist before you start crying foul again), to keep honest people off of it, and to ensure that the dishonest can still have "Complete freedom to do what they do" without the list affecting their activities?

< Message edited by LadyLeandra -- 6/9/2012 5:27:28 PM >

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:25:50 PM   
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How come you won't answer or address my post? I'm sad :(

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:27:00 PM   
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quote:

OK. Your first line: apparently the "owners" of this site have not addressed this issue properly. If they had it would not be an issue anymore.


The Owners have addressed the issue as they see fit.. If that is not good enough then don't let the door hit you on the way out...

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:27:33 PM   
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Lady: Here is a partial list just from the past week on CM. Of course, this does not count all the people who contacted me directly on Yahoo messenger


(modedit to remove private information)


< Message edited by ModTwentyOne -- 6/10/2012 12:03:58 AM >

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:28:46 PM   
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Fr- because I'm to lazy to go back and find LP's post...

About that other site....I'm on there. I'm on there under a different name than the one seen here but one that is still active on collarme. All the info. matchs, just no pics, and the profile isn't word for word. You want to know why I'm on that other site? Because someone wanted a session. Okay, okay, no big thing there. We talked for awhile. We shared some info and while I was checking his real info (yes I do check) I found out he is a registered violant sex offender in the state above the one I live in. When I found out that he was a sex offender I informed him as nicely as I could that I would not be doing a session with him. He harped at me as to why and at some point I told him why. He sent a few very nasty msgs as to how I should be chopped up into little pieces and then went over to that other site and told a nice little story about me being fake. < This is why ideas about lists don't work.

As for the topic of tolerance. I don't tolerate a lot of things. I don't tolerate necros or people that hurt kids. I don't tolerate those that abuse animals or their spouse. I could give you a whole list of things I don't tolerate...BUT....that dude that put me on that other site, I know where he lives and I have yet to put a bullet between his ears....so I think I'm just about as tolerant as I need to be. How the "community" feels about...I couldn't care less than I do right now even if I tired really hard.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:32:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pshornyguy
lafayette lady: Give me your email address

It is good that you are an optimist.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:33:01 PM   
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Good bye thread.. its been fun.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:33:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: amaidiamond

quote:

OK. Your first line: apparently the "owners" of this site have not addressed this issue properly. If they had it would not be an issue anymore.


The Owners have addressed the issue as they see fit.. If that is not good enough then don't let the door hit you on the way out...


Why? Perhaps keeping this issue alive makes them alert and awake. You look like a Gulag Camp guard who says Stalin ordered it this way and if you don't like it..........

It shows how tolerant you actually are.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:34:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

Notice that ONE person agrees with the predicate of my discussion and Stef immediately wants to discredit him because even ONE person not sharing her views is unacceptable.

Making up more "facts", Horny? Weren't you crying about people doing that earlier? At least your consistent in your hypocrisy.

quote:

Nevertheless, then Stef has the gall to write:

"Being tolerant does not mean blindly agreeing with bad ideas, faulty logic and dangerous medical advice."

So...as long as you agree with Stef, everything is fine. But if you challenge any of her premises or conclusions, then you are using "bad ideas and faulty logic".

When you're the only person who thinks your idea is a good idea, that is usually a warning sign. Most people with the tiniest shred of common sense would heed that warning.

By the way, I don't suppose you got permission from all those users whose names you posted before outing them, did you? Bad form, Horny.


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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:35:14 PM   
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Lady Leandra:

(1) You raise very good points!

(2) My question to you however, is why would a CM member specify other websites where they have profiles if those profiles do not correspond to their CM profile i.e there are materially significant differences in data or photos?

(3) In the context of my discussion here, such discrepancies could be noted and would provide a CM member with an opportunity to present questions to the person he/she is chatting with such as: why are your pics significantly different on the other websites with your profiles that you told me about? OR why is your age on CM 32yo but on website #2 (which you created one year ago) you stated your age to be 25yo?

SAFEGUARDS?
The safeguards continue to be the same ones in existence now without such a list. You would use your own instincts and brainpower to separate the real from the phony.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyLeandra

quote:

ORIGINAL: pshornyguy


My point is this: Suppose you ask to see somebody's pics and they send you 3 pics. Suppose, further, that you ask them how old their pics are and they say they all were taken within the past 6 months.

Then---suppose you look at 2 other websites where that same person has a profile and the pictures they have posted on those 2 other sites are obviously totally different people.

In fact, suppose (as many sites do) you can see the date when their pics were uploaded and it is within the same 6-month period (give or take a few months) but you notice totally different hair, a different body structure, a different face, maybe even different shaped eyes or nose etc. In short, the other profiles contain pics of two entirely different persons from the pics you were sent.

Obviously, that would be evidence that the person you are chatting with has been dishonest because you would not know which of all those pics (if any) are valid.


Wait...but what qualifications are we using to determine if that other profile is even the same persons? I know my screen names are used on other sites by other people. There is another Lady Leandra out there (Which I didn't realize when I started this) who is older than me and not into the same kinks. We don't run in the same circles so theres no reason either of us should have to change our names, just say "No thats the other Leandra". But what if someone doesn't believe me (or several someones) and calls foul? Thats the THIRD reason I would end up on your precious list. OMG I must be a HORRIBLE person!

Also, whats to stop me from taking a sub that ticks me off and gathering a group of my friends to start bashing him on this list, spread out over a bit of time to make it look better?

In short, what safeguards do you propose for your blacklist (see my last post for the definition of blacklist before you start crying foul again), to keep honest people off of it, and to ensure that the dishonest can still have "Complete freedom to do what they do" without the list affecting their activities?



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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:38:06 PM   
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So you are gay? And so you want to blacklist fakes and liars who pretend to be gay?

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:40:29 PM   
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So I lose the argument either way Stef? If I provide a partial list which proves that Lady Lafayette is a liar -- then that is verboten. But if I cannot use anything to prove her lie, then that is ok with you because then you can continue to assert I am lying? So its is heads you win, tails I lose.

I have not made up any facts Stef. I quoted your own comments. You could have been more polite to the other poster and just invited him into discussion....but you wanted to emasculate him from the get-go! Great!

quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

quote:

ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

Notice that ONE person agrees with the predicate of my discussion and Stef immediately wants to discredit him because even ONE person not sharing her views is unacceptable.

Making up more "facts", Horny? Weren't you crying about people doing that earlier? At least your consistent in your hypocrisy.

quote:

Nevertheless, then Stef has the gall to write:

"Being tolerant does not mean blindly agreeing with bad ideas, faulty logic and dangerous medical advice."

So...as long as you agree with Stef, everything is fine. But if you challenge any of her premises or conclusions, then you are using "bad ideas and faulty logic".

When you're the only person who thinks your idea is a good idea, that is usually a warning sign. Most people with the tiniest shred of common sense would heed that warning.

By the way, I don't suppose you got permission from all those users whose names you posted before outing them, did you? Bad form, Horny.



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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:40:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

LadyChat: I am not refusing to address anything. Sometimes I just ignore rhetorical excesses or things which are not likely to be typical occurrences and, therefore, don't require serious consideration.

I cannot possibly (anymore than you could) address every conceivable variation or every imaginable circumstance.

All of the examples you cited are exceptional circumstances (car wrecks. severe weather problems, physically moving from one state or city to another). These are not things that routinely occur every day or every week or every month nor would multiple people be likely to challenge your honesty -- especially if you were in an ongoing conversation with them and you shared such details about your circumstances.

WATERSPORTS: Again, you are using a stupid example. My list is not going to be used because you choose NOT to engage in a particular sexual activity with somebody. Again, I keep repeating the same criteria over and over again. You would have to exhibit a consistent PATTERN OF DISHONEST behavior -- and that pattern (to make derogatory assertions potentially credible) would be noticed and commented upon by multiple people over different periods of time.

I love watersports! It is my favorite sexual act -- other than cuddling/snuggling with someone whose company I enjoy. But if I chose not to engage in piss-play with ONE person or even TEN people that would NOT be DISHONEST behavior.

What would be dishonest behavior is if I state in my profile that watersports is one of my favorite activities but then I tell people during my chat messages or emails that I hate watersports---because my profile is an entirely fictional creation!

AGE: If somebody lists themselves as 32yo on CM but you check another website which shows that the profile was created one year ago and at that time they claimed to be 25yo -- don't you think something is phony???

PHOTOS:
You missed my point (I think deliberately because you just want to argue with me).

My point is this: Suppose you ask to see somebody's pics and they send you 3 pics. Suppose, further, that you ask them how old their pics are and they say they all were taken within the past 6 months.

Then---suppose you look at 2 other websites where that same person has a profile and the pictures they have posted on those 2 other sites are obviously totally different people.

In fact, suppose (as many sites do) you can see the date when their pics were uploaded and it is within the same 6-month period (give or take a few months) but you notice totally different hair, a different body structure, a different face, maybe even different shaped eyes or nose etc. In short, the other profiles contain pics of two entirely different persons from the pics you were sent.

Obviously, that would be evidence that the person you are chatting with has been dishonest because you would not know which of all those pics (if any) are valid.

I AGREE with your final comment about using your own head to make evaluations. All I am proposing is providing some information to help you make informed decisions.

If you are talking to Me, please do Me the courtesy of getting My name right.  It's a four letter word and you have it completely messed up.  Thank you.

The examples that I gave were very real circumstances.  All of them are able to be verified by other threads and CM members.  Three distinct references of times that I didn't show up.  In each instance, the person I didn't show up for was different.  I'm showing you exactly why I would qualify for your list and I've met hundreds of people from this site.

Part of the reason that your list doesn't work is because you want to use evidence on the net vrs evidence on the net.  Now, exactly who gets to spend the time verifying all of the crap that goes to the list?  The few (and I do mean very few) folks who donate their time to this place and work their asses off already trying to keep the place up? 

How about this?  Meet people in real life before you put all of this time into people.  You've got a challenge ahead of you because most groups don't allow people who are using unsafe practices at their get togethers, so you're going to have to decide what your preferences really are. 

You will never get that stuff to fly about people's orientation and/or kink preferences.  The point that I made was that I'm not going to engage in that kind of play with anybody that I don't want to.  It doesn't mean I don't like the kink.  It means I don't like it with them.  Considering your circumstances, you honestly have to think about that in regard to yourself. 

Some of My pics on the net are seven years old.  I don't take them down because I changed hairstyles or colored My hair.  Heck, one of My pics here is of an outfit that I don't even own anymore.  People who have met Me in person can tell they are still Me.


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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:41:21 PM   
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I belong to a web site that once you pick your birthyear out of the drop down and join the site you can't change it.
I accidentally landed on 1978 instead of 1968 and did not realize it until several days later. I can't change it and it's not that big a deal to me because it isn't a site where my age would matter anyway. I have shared that site with people in the past to show them specific things I have done and like. If someone asks me about it I explain to them why but in general I don't think about it.

What is to prevent a vindictive person who is angry I rejected him to use multiple fake accounts to report me as having lied about my age and give that site as 'proof'?

What if I've gone up and down in my weight(by large margins, upwards of 100 pounds) many times and every site i've joined where I entered a weight has a vastly different one because of this? I'm sure I have profiles on sites i joined years ago i never go to much less update.

What is to prevent a vindictive person who is angry I rejected him to use multiple fake accounts to report me as having lied about my weight and use those other sites as 'proof' just to get me on t his list ?

Believe me it would be used for evil just as well as good and some genuine people would be genuinely disparaged. I don't think there is any way that a system could be set up on a FREE site that would combat this.


quote:

ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

Lady Leandra:

(1) You raise very good points!

(2) My question to you however, is why would a CM member specify other websites where they have profiles if those profiles do not correspond to their CM profile i.e there are materially significant differences in data or photos?

(3) In the context of my discussion here, such discrepancies could be noted and would provide a CM member with an opportunity to present questions to the person he/she is chatting with such as: why are your pics significantly different on the other websites with your profiles that you told me about? OR why is your age on CM 32yo but on website #2 (which you created one year ago) you stated your age to be 25yo?




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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:41:33 PM   
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No -- totally wrong!
Where are you getting this crap?

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ORIGINAL: Rule

So you are gay? And so you want to blacklist fakes and liars who pretend to be gay?


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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:41:43 PM   
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You look like a Gulag Camp guard who says Stalin ordered it this way and if you don't like it..........

It shows how tolerant you actually are.

Yes, because this is just like nazi germany.

How dare the owners not implement bad ideas because a few whiners lack the necessary common sense and basic level of social skills to sort out and entice willing partners from the scammers out there. You should go to Fetlife and start a group with the OP for bitter old "masters" who can't get any.

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