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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:43:29 PM   
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Very simple Odyssey --- because if anybody asked you why there was a discrepancy you could do what you just did -- and that would end the discussion. BUT, what if there are multiple websites with your profile and each one has a different age -- and I'm not referring to minor differences....then THAT is entirely different and can be used as an indicator of dishonesty -- i.e. intentional desire to mislead and manipulate CM members.

With respect to weight differences: If you provide an explanation, then there is no reason to doubt your honesty.

I think I see where this is headed.

My discussion here is focused upon intentional dishonesty. Many people who are deliberately dishonest do not limit themselves to just one thing like age, or height, or weight, or pics. Instead, they often create an entirely fictional persona -- including email addresses or instant message names which they immediately discard when their dishonesty is too obvious for their game to continue.

My discussion here is meant to address intentional dishonesty -- not minor errors in profile text or minor discrepancies in answers given to questions. Surely, you guys understand the difference don't you?


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ORIGINAL: odysseyIndeed

I belong to a web site that once you pick your birthyear out of the drop down and join the site you can't change it.
I accidentally landed on 1978 instead of 1968 and did not realize it until several days later. I can't change it and it's not that big a deal to me because it isn't a site where my age would matter anyway. I have shared that site with people in the past to show them specific things I have done and like. If someone asks me about it I explain to them why but in general I don't think about it.

What is to prevent a vindictive person who is angry I rejected him to use multiple fake accounts to report me as having lied about my age and give that site as 'proof'?

What if I've gone up and down in my weight(by large margins, upwards of 100 pounds) many times and every site i've joined where I entered a weight has a vastly different one because of this? I'm sure I have profiles on sites i joined years ago i never go to much less update.

What is to prevent a vindictive person who is angry I rejected him to use multiple fake accounts to report me as having lied about my weight and use those other sites as 'proof' just to get me on t his list ?

Believe me it would be used for evil just as well as good and some genuine people would be genuinely disparaged. I don't think there is any way that a system could be set up on a FREE site that would combat this.


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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

Lady Leandra:

(1) You raise very good points!

(2) My question to you however, is why would a CM member specify other websites where they have profiles if those profiles do not correspond to their CM profile i.e there are materially significant differences in data or photos?

(3) In the context of my discussion here, such discrepancies could be noted and would provide a CM member with an opportunity to present questions to the person he/she is chatting with such as: why are your pics significantly different on the other websites with your profiles that you told me about? OR why is your age on CM 32yo but on website #2 (which you created one year ago) you stated your age to be 25yo?







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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:44:18 PM   
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Good bye thread.. its been fun.

yep, i hear that wooshing sound. he listed people's names above, reported that.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:46:11 PM   
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You look like a Gulag Camp guard who says Stalin ordered it this way and if you don't like it..........

It shows how tolerant you actually are.

Yes, because this is just like nazi germany.

How dare the owners not implement bad ideas because a few whiners lack the necessary common sense and basic level of social skills to sort out and entice willing partners from the scammers out there. You should go to Fetlife and start a group with the OP for bitter old "masters" who can't get any.


And there we go again. WOW how tolerant you are of new ideas on this site. Have you ever taken the time to study strawmen strategies? I think you did.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:46:24 PM   
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1. promise to send pics but then never does so
2. promise to contact again (thru email or instant message) but never does so
3. dishonest or highly suspect profile details (such as phony age, weight, height, or other attributes


Are you new to internet dating? I am SHOCKED when I meet men and they are the same height as on their profile, which only happens about 20% of the time for men I've met through this site and OKCupid, where being honest about one's height is a statistical anomaly.

The Big Lies People Tell In Online Dating

"I'm 6 feet tall."

REALITY: People are two inches shorter in real life.

Read more: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-biggest-lies-in-online-dating/

As for stopping contact, well, I have my suspicions.


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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:48:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

So I lose the argument either way Stef?

Which argument? You're in so many at the moment.

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If I provide a partial list which proves that Lady Lafayette is a liar -- then that is verboten. But if I cannot use anything to prove her lie, then that is ok with you because then you can continue to assert I am lying? So its is heads you win, tails I lose.

I'm not following the exchange between the two of you so I'm not sure what you think she's lying about.

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I have not made up any facts Stef. I quoted your own comments.

You said "Notice that ONE person agrees with the predicate of my discussion and Stef immediately wants to discredit him because even ONE person not sharing her views is unacceptable.". That's not quoting me or even remotely close to the truth. It's a fabrication constructed entirely by you. It's a tactic you engage throughout this thread and direct ant more than one person.

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You could have been more polite to the other poster and just invited him into discussion....but you wanted to emasculate him from the get-go! Great!

He's not interested in discussion and the rest is another fabrication by you. You just can't seem to help it.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:50:45 PM   
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What he is suggesting it not a new idea though.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:51:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Master2811

And there we go again. WOW how tolerant you are of new ideas on this site.

What new ideas? There was nothing new about his suggestion.

quote:

Have you ever taken the time to study strawmen strategies? I think you did.

No, what you're doing clearly isn't thinking.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:52:05 PM   
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Well guys it has been fun. Thanks for all your comments -- especially the ones that actually made some sense.

Obviously, nothing will change because, as several people have pointed out, nobody here wants to create anything (or even think seriously about anything) which might reduce the number of fakes and liars OR provide a tool for CM members to make some kind of informed judgment about the people they are chatting with or being contacted by. So be it.

Time to make and eat din-din ---- Bye



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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:52:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

LadyChat: I am not refusing to address anything. Sometimes I just...

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If you are talking to Me, please do Me the courtesy of getting My name right.  It's a four letter word and you have it completely messed up.  Thank you.


bwaa haha, and NOT to be confused with ChatteParfaitt.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:52:53 PM   
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Happy flouncing!

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:54:08 PM   
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But how do you know I am telling the truth?
You want the higher ups on this FREE site to take in complaints from numerous accounts about specific people. Those accounts accuse other people of lying. The higher ups are then supposed to question those accused of lying? And you expect when they do that the person accused is going to go "oh you got me, add me to the list"?

First you said that someone had to be dishonest about something based on your criteria. Then you said it had to be more than one person who had to claim you were dishonest. Then you said the people who claim you are dishonest have to provide proof(such as a website) that you were indeed dishonest about something. Then you want the people taking those complaints to then question the 'dishonest' person and accept whatever explanation they give for the dishonesty as truth.

So either a number of 'genuine' people complain about the same thing about one fake liar and the fake liar lies and gets out of being put on the list.

Or one vindictive person keeps using fake accounts to get a genuine person put on the list and that genuine person is having to continually answer questions about tiny things like the things i mentioned.

And who is going to be in charge of determining whether the complainers are lying when they complain and offer up their 'proof' or when the complained about party is lying when they are asked about the 'proof' and explain it away as harmless (as i did in my post)?

Do you see how big this would be? How difficult it would be to truly know who was being honest and who was lying? And you want to place that at the feet of those who manage a *free* site.

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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

Very simple Odyssey --- because if anybody asked you why there was a discrepancy you could do what you just did -- and that would end the discussion. BUT, what if there are multiple websites with your profile and each one has a different age -- and I'm not referring to minor differences....then THAT is entirely different and can be used as an indicator of dishonesty -- i.e. intentional desire to mislead and manipulate CM members.





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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:55:16 PM   
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Holy Cow! I leave with this thread on page 4 for a day trip and come back to a further 20 pages! Forget clue by fours and clue by eights and just bring in the wrecking ball! OMG I missed some serious entertainment all those hours I was on the road lol. Wow! Just WOW!

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:55:47 PM   
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You will be missed. Have a nice dinner.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:57:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy
No -- totally wrong!
Where are you getting this crap?
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ORIGINAL: Rule
So you are gay? And so you want to blacklist fakes and liars who pretend to be gay?


Oh. Then I stand corrected.

I considered that because you were contacted by a list of nearly exclusively bisexual or gay men that you might have gayness in common with them.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:57:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

Obviously, nothing will change because, as several people have pointed out, nobody here wants to create anything (or even think seriously about anything) which might reduce the number of fakes and liars OR provide a tool for CM members to make some kind of informed judgment about the people they are chatting with or being contacted by.

There is a tool, but CM can't provide it. You either have it or you don't. It's called common sense.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:58:08 PM   
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Darn I'm always too late.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 5:59:56 PM   
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NEWSFLASH:


CollarMe Starts Fake Profile Registry, gets first listing

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 6:00:27 PM   
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Notice that ONE person agrees with the predicate of my discussion and Stef immediately wants to discredit him because even ONE person not sharing her views is unacceptable.


EXCUSE ME???? ONE person? There have been others, including myself that have tried to engage the mighty "Oz" in conversation...no we didn't kiss your a** but we did calmly and intelligently state our opinions and concerns and we are the ones you blow off!!!! Even the poor guy that whole heartily agreed with you got the cold shoulder. You don't want to discuss anything, you just want to nik pik the post you think you can get a fight out of....you are not dedicated to finding a solution to anything you just want to argue, doesn't matter what about. Those are people that should be on your "list" people that just want attention, even if it is negative.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 6:03:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: Master2811

And there we go again. WOW how tolerant you are of new ideas on this site.

What new ideas? There was nothing new about his suggestion.

quote:

Have you ever taken the time to study strawmen strategies? I think you did.

No, what you're doing clearly isn't thinking.


Man man man. I know these kind of discussions. It's strawmen all over the place. And most of te people involved don't even recognize the use of their own strawmen. That is why the poor OP cannot win his argument. A mob of farmers with pitchforks will strawmen him away. The same people who in other treads claim to be so tolerant. They are totally laughable, they have no clue about how they debate issues.

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RE: Fakes and Liars on CM - 6/9/2012 6:05:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Master2811


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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: Master2811

And there we go again. WOW how tolerant you are of new ideas on this site.

What new ideas? There was nothing new about his suggestion.

quote:

Have you ever taken the time to study strawmen strategies? I think you did.

No, what you're doing clearly isn't thinking.


Man man man. I know these kind of discussions. It's strawmen all over the place. And most of te people involved don't even recognize the use of their own strawmen. That is why the poor OP cannot win his argument. A mob of farmers with pitchforks will strawmen him away. The same people who in other treads claim to be so tolerant. They are totally laughable, they have no clue about how they debate issues.

oh bull fucking shit. i treated him with respect, and intelligently deflated and rebutted each and every argument he raised. he proceeded to ignore and throw up high school debate team red herrings. he's now earned joke link replies.

you're way over-generalizing about mob rule and him supposedly having good ideas that were not addressed.


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