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pshornyguy -> Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 7:19:38 AM)

Like every other website, CM has a significant percentage of fakes and liars -- i.e. people who have no genuine interest in Master/slave or Dom/sub relationships OR who are attempting to manipulate people here into believing they are seriously interested in somebody when they are not.

Instead, these fakes and liars create a fictional persona intended to seduce men or women into believing that they are genuinely interested in becoming a slave or sub.

I would like to propose that we create a database to list all of the fakes/liars on CM so that anyone could consult the list to discover the screen names, email addresses, and other identifying info about them.

Is there anyone else interested in this proposal? I would suggest the following criteria for adding people to the list of fakes and liars:

1. promise to send pics but then never does so
2. promise to contact again (thru email or instant message) but never does so
3. dishonest or highly suspect profile details (such as phony age, weight, height, or other attributes OR discovering profiles on other websites that present materially different details about same person)
4. dishonest responses to questions or comments (such as giving different answers at different times)

Anyone have other suggestions?



myotherself -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 7:26:20 AM)

Yes - I suggest a couple of things:

1. Read the Terms of Use of this site, particularly the bit where you aren't allowed to blacklist other users simply because they don't fit your particular brand of 'true'

2. Use the search function to find the other umpty-million threads on this exact same topic

3. Grow a thicker skin and learn to deal with the fact that not everyone is compatible with you and not everyone cares about your feelings - until you meet in real-life you are simply a collection of pixels on a screen and not a real person

4. Go out into your local real-life community and actually meet people and build friendships and relationships from there




Killerangel -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 7:26:24 AM)

This thread is against the TOS of this site, you cannot blacklist. You did read that when you signed up right? Your idea of fake is not universal and you do not have the right to dictate to every other user what you would like. Otherwise set up your own web site and have at it.

Read this please, Why we don't allow blacklists - http://www.collarchat.com/m_1163969/tm.htm





mnottertail -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 7:28:09 AM)

Dude, what the fuck are those things in the backround over your shoulder, VHS tapes?



amaidiamond -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 7:31:05 AM)

Yep - search threads before posting or you end up posting something that is posted at LEAST every other day....



pshornyguy -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 7:31:18 AM)

This is not really a "blacklist" proposal. These fakes and liars could continue to operate here just as they always have. However, those of us who are genuine would have advance warning that whatever conversation takes place is entirely phony.

This has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with my or your "feelings" or "compatibility". It is comparable to consumer protection laws regarding "truth in advertising".


quote:

ORIGINAL: myotherself

Yes - I suggest a couple of things:

1. Read the Terms of Use of this site, particularly the bit where you aren't allowed to blacklist other users simply because they don't fit your particular brand of 'true'

2. Use the search function to find the other umpty-million threads on this exact same topic

3. Grow a thicker skin and learn to deal with the fact that not everyone is compatible with you and not everyone cares about your feelings - until you meet in real-life you are simply a collection of pixels on a screen and not a real person

4. Go out into your local real-life community and actually meet people and build friendships and relationships from there






tj444 -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 7:31:35 AM)

lol ..love his profile name.. so,.. so.. descriptive & original... [:D]

This is the only site I visit.. who could possibly want more entertainment than what this site offers and so frequently... [:)]



SassySarijane -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 7:33:00 AM)

~Fast Reply~

Does anyone read rules and guidelines anymore or are they so special a snowflake that they think the rules don't apply to them? So not a good first impression made here OP.



myotherself -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 7:33:42 AM)

You want to blacklist people who don't send you pics or return your messages and you think they are 'fakes and liars'?

Dude, you are seriously not cut out for this online thing if that's the kind of thing that gets you butt-hurt!

If this is happening to you on such a regular basis that you're compelled to whine about it online, then perhaps you might consider that the common denominator in this whole thing is YOU.



SassySarijane -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 7:35:11 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

This is not really a "blacklist" proposal. These fakes and liars could continue to operate here just as they always have. However, those of us who are genuine would have advance warning that whatever conversation takes place is entirely phony.

This has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with my or your "feelings" or "compatibility". It is comparable to consumer protection laws regarding "truth in advertising".





Yes it definitely is a blacklist proposal and is, as has been said, against TOS and Forum rules.



pshornyguy -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 7:36:40 AM)

"at LEAST every other day" ????

Perhaps you have a different archive that what I see? I checked back 4 weeks and did not see anybody posting a message about fakes and liars here.

quote:

ORIGINAL: amaidiamond

Yep - search threads before posting or you end up posting something that is posted at LEAST every other day....




amaidiamond -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 7:37:20 AM)

quote:

This is not really a "blacklist" proposal. These fakes and liars could continue to operate here just as they always have. However, those of us who are genuine would have advance warning that whatever conversation takes place is entirely phony.

This has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with my or your "feelings" or "compatibility". It is comparable to consumer protection laws regarding "truth in advertising".


Yeah because if we are talking and then life gets busy so I can't get in touch for a few weeks i am a fake

Dude it's a free website, do as the rest of us do and ignore those that are not compatible with you.



amaidiamond -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 7:38:27 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

"at LEAST every other day" ????

Perhaps you have a different archive that what I see? I checked back 4 weeks and did not see anybody posting a message about fakes and liars here.

quote:

ORIGINAL: amaidiamond

Yep - search threads before posting or you end up posting something that is posted at LEAST every other day....





Just search "fake" and it brings up pagessss

There is always some dude starting a whiny thread about it



pshornyguy -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 7:42:20 AM)

A genuine blacklist prevents people from engaging in whatever they want to do (historically, for example, it has been used to deny people membership or employment).

I advocate no such thing. I just think the GENUINE people here would like to invest their time with other GENUINE people.

So, how would my proposal work? Here is what would happen:

1. You are contacted by someone who seems interesting.
2. You exchange a few messages and you grow more interested.
3. However, you may have some suspicion about some comment made
4. You look at the database and you discover that more than one person has had a bad experience with the person you are chatting with.

NOT "bad" because they rejected you.
NOT "bad" because your "feelings" were hurt.

But some DISHONESTY about themselves

And why would that be important?

Because you would not invest more time with that person UNLESS you simply enjoy chatting with fakes and liars -- which would be PERFECTLY OK and would continue!



quote:

ORIGINAL: SassySarijane


quote:

ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

This is not really a "blacklist" proposal. These fakes and liars could continue to operate here just as they always have. However, those of us who are genuine would have advance warning that whatever conversation takes place is entirely phony.

This has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with my or your "feelings" or "compatibility". It is comparable to consumer protection laws regarding "truth in advertising".





Yes it definitely is a blacklist proposal and is, as has been said, against TOS and Forum rules.





mnottertail -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 7:42:29 AM)

Dude you have answered this thread twice since I asked you about those VHS tapes.

immediately provide me your name, your nick, your email, social security number, phone, address, penis size (mm), ass size (in axehandles) and prior criminal record, as you have fit your own criteria.



amaidiamond -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 7:44:15 AM)

Heres a few for you:

Firstly wanting a name and shame list:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4112288/mpage_1/tm.htm

And a few other fake people threads:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4129420/mpage_1/tm.htm
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4127378/mpage_1/tm.htm
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4073817/mpage_1/tm.htm
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4060671/mpage_1/tm.htm

If you want still more, search yourself.... popular words include fake, real, scammer, lies, genuine and true



pshornyguy -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 7:46:57 AM)

Well, like most people, I don't perform searches on a message board feature. I simply post a message which I think might interest other people.

But, consider this: Suppose you were right! Suppose there actually were messages posted "at LEAST every other day" about this problem.

If you are interested in having a venue for meeting and chatting with GENUINE people into what this website was created for -- wouldn't you want to think of something to make it more productive so that genuine Masters and slaves and genuine Doms and subs could find each other?

OR is this merely cybersex to you?

quote:

ORIGINAL: amaidiamond


quote:

ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

"at LEAST every other day" ????

Perhaps you have a different archive that what I see? I checked back 4 weeks and did not see anybody posting a message about fakes and liars here.

quote:

ORIGINAL: amaidiamond

Yep - search threads before posting or you end up posting something that is posted at LEAST every other day....





Just search "fake" and it brings up pagessss

There is always some dude starting a whiny thread about it




SassySarijane -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 7:48:43 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

A genuine blacklist prevents people from engaging in whatever they want to do (historically, for example, it has been used to deny people membership or employment).

I advocate no such thing. I just think the GENUINE people here would like to invest their time with other GENUINE people.

So, how would my proposal work? Here is what would happen:

1. You are contacted by someone who seems interesting.
2. You exchange a few messages and you grow more interested.
3. However, you may have some suspicion about some comment made
4. You look at the database and you discover that more than one person has had a bad experience with the person you are chatting with.

NOT "bad" because they rejected you.
NOT "bad" because your "feelings" were hurt.

But some DISHONESTY about themselves

And why would that be important?

Because you would not invest more time with that person UNLESS you simply enjoy chatting with fakes and liars -- which would be PERFECTLY OK and would continue!



quote:

ORIGINAL: SassySarijane



Yes it definitely is a blacklist proposal and is, as has been said, against TOS and Forum rules.






Here dude, get a clue. From the no blacklist post so you hopefully get it:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1163969/tm.htm

This issue comes up so often in posts by new members that we felt it necessary to make a special post about this one issue. To be sure, there are all kinds of people in the world and, given that we (like other public websites) don't have the ability to dictate who joins our website, you will meet all kinds of people here; some very nice (like yourself), some not so much. It is perhaps for this reason that new users are wont to post about their bad experiences with this or that person or even come up with the very original idea of making a list of all the "bad" users on the site. As has been recounted countless times, the fundamental flaw with this idea is not that it is ill intended, it is that there is not, nor can there be, any fact checking of such claims.

If you still believe that blacklists are a good idea then consider the following thought experiment. Suppose that someone made up a malicious and horrible lie about you and posted it to a blacklist on the forum. Would you want us to take it down after you informed us of your innocence or would you be fine with us leaving it up despite your most impassioned pleas that the facts alleged about you were false? It is a pretty safe bet that you would want those false claims removed in a hurry. Now let us suppose that true claims are posted about a real jerk attesting to what a jerk he is. Further suppose that this jerk approaches us with the same passion you did, demanding that the true assertions about him are false and must be remove immediately. Both you and the other user come to us claiming passionately to be innocent but which one are we to believe? When you know the answer to that question, you will know why blacklists are not permitted.




chatterbox24 -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 7:49:02 AM)

You seriously want to ban people for not getting back to you? Nor sending a pic?

People do lie all the time and do jazz things up, but thats life. As far as sending pictures and not emailing back thats a personal choice and ridiculous to even suggest someone is banned for that. I think people should be banned for using ugly profile pics but do you think anyone gives a poop? LOL.



kuppykake -> RE: Fakes and Liars on CM (6/9/2012 7:49:37 AM)

oh dear....well everybody, let's all put our name in the pot, cause I am sure someone on here will eventually call each one of us "fake" because eventually they will find something they don't like about us since we're only human! Ugh will the whining ever cease???



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