quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I have believed for some time that because of the lack of compelling evidence, global warming is actually a religion. The people that espouse this theory seem to be saying: "Trust me. It's happening"

Michael

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I have believed for some time that because of the lack of compelling evidence, global warming is actually a religion. The people that espouse this theory seem to be saying: "Trust me. It's happening"

Michael

That's like saying there is no "compelling evidence" that you should change the oil in your car. Scientific theory says that the oil will break down and eventually your engine will sieze up but there is no "Compelling Evidence" and all that maintenence is gonna cost money.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Even if AGW is totally hokum, it's a good idea to wean ourselves from fossil fuels as much as possible. That would do 2 things.

1. There will be enough petroleum for civilization as we know it to continue for millenia instead of a century or 2.

2. Those people in the middle east who have been buttfucking us over an oil barrel for the last 60 years can go back to eating dirt and rocks and gleefully killing each other because we won't need their product.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

I caught this yesterday on the ABC evening news.

There appears to be more and more scientists, that are slowly coming to believe what many of us, have thought for YEARS.

Global warming does exist, and the climate is changing.
In fact, many scientists believe that not only does it exist, it is also
accelerating.

At this point, many of us just sit back and watch as the weather continues to change and accelerate.
As I was telling someone today, many will never believe, even if the average temperatures rise to 150-200 degrees.

Many of us, continue to find this odd, wild, interesting and incredible.

Many Scientists believe global warming is accelerating/ABC News

quote:

ORIGINAL: GMRTGS
In the last decade we have learned the sun has cycles of higher and lower outputs, those really make the difference in climate change.Did you know that none of the current global warming models have no sun radiation cycle data outputs? You wanna know why?

quote:

One: Their is no conclusive evidence that shows man is the culprit, we just do not have enough of real and good data, nor do we have the number crunching capability yet to actually get accurate computer models.The data thus far has been severely skewed depending on who you talk to.

quote:

ORIGINAL: wittynamehere

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
Global warming does exist, and the climate is changing.
Many of us, continue to find this odd, wild, interesting and incredible.

Uhhh, ok. I agree with "incredible" anyway.
Just a couple thoughts for you:
1) Why does the mainstream media only bring this up during heatwaves?

quote:

2) Data shows the last several years have been very cool, and increasingly so.

quote:

3) Nobody in this thread has mentioned Climategate yet? Briefly, the scientists in charge of researching global warming (hundreds of prominent names, with billions in research money, working for many years - "Climatic Research Unit") had their emails hacked and posted online. The emails showed the scientists were paid to fake the results, hide the fact that the planet has been cooling lately, and figure out a way to make the public believe in man-made global warming so that a global Carbon tax could be created. Of course, an internal investigation was conducted and everybody involved was cleared of any wrongdoing. A lot of people haven't even heard about it. But surely, people interested enough in the topic to post on this thread, should have?

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I have believed for some time that because of the lack of compelling evidence, global warming is actually a religion. The people that espouse this theory seem to be saying: "Trust me. It's happening"

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I have believed for some time that because of the lack of compelling evidence, global warming is actually a religion. The people that espouse this theory seem to be saying: "Trust me. It's happening"

Michael

That's like saying there is no "compelling evidence" that you should change the oil in your car. Scientific theory says that the oil will break down and eventually your engine will sieze up but there is no "Compelling Evidence" and all that maintenence is gonna cost money.

Even if AGW is totally hokum, it's a good idea to wean ourselves from fossil fuels as much as possible. That would do 2 things.

1. There will be enough petroleum for civilization as we know it to continue for millenia instead of a century or 2.

2. Those people in the middle east who have been buttfucking us over an oil barrel for the last 60 years can go back to eating dirt and rocks and gleefully killing each other because we won't need their product.

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

quote:

Global warming does exist, and the climate is changing.
In fact, many scientists believe that not only does it exist, it is also
accelerating.

Not sure why that is such a shock. They taught us that in elementary school at the same time they taught us how the great lakes were formed.

quote:

Its a complete hoax. Rush Limgbaugh proved it...

quote:

ORIGINAL: GMRTGS

Oh God not gonna argue or debate using online gotcha articles. Ever been peer reviewed ? It is not about accuracy, it is about the peer's ego's. Ever been to a convention with scientists? I have and believe me I have never seen any consensus on anything.

As for the hot pocket market, I Think it is safe to say it is safe from being taken over or being exposed to massive microwave radiation from a beam sitting 22,000 miles or further in a la grange point.Now pop tarts on the other hand could be at risk!!


I am more worried about us destroying the worlds resources first, then Global warming man made or not.

quote:

Sadly,the current trend is to lower the living standards of the upper 10 percent of the world's population, instead of raising the living standards of the rest of the world's population.

quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML
Meh! According to the Mayan Calendar nutsoids there will not be much of a winter in 2012 anyway, so don't worry, be happy

quote:

Back to the topic, and Mari's original intent:.

The patch of desert around here is full of microclimates, with some pretty wild temperature variations, so I suppose if they relocated the weather station, we might see all sorts of new records pile up, but with the station where it is, the all time high is still a tie on consecutive days in 1961. Nothing like a good summer heat wave to get people talking though.

That said, I grew up in view of a snowcapped mountain, and when I get back home these days, there is less of that snow up there, every time. Look at this thread, or any other though, and see the answers proposed. Turn our entire transportation and energy structure upside down. Have our diets dictated to us. Did I really see some totalitarian douchebag joking that this would be a perfect opportunity to enslave people he disagrees with, and use them as a power source? That was the first half, of the first page

Straight up, Mari, until the movement loses the asshats who think carrying the message means they get to be in charge of everything now, I'd rather buy another fan, and waste a little gas running the a/c full blast on the way home from work. Our first good hot spell this year is late, but made up for it, and the first one is never the worst. Hell, I already live greener than some who loudly carry whatever banner, and fling whatever poo, fits their agenda today.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

I caught this yesterday on the ABC evening news.

There appears to be more and more scientists, that are slowly coming to believe what many of us, have thought for YEARS.

Global warming does exist, and the climate is changing.
In fact, many scientists believe that not only does it exist, it is also
accelerating.

At this point, many of us just sit back and watch as the weather continues to change and accelerate.
As I was telling someone today, many will never believe, even if the average temperatures rise to 150-200 degrees.

Many of us, continue to find this odd, wild, interesting and incredible.

Many Scientists believe global warming is accelerating/ABC News

quote:

Maybe the real nutsoids, are the people running around, yelling about the nutsoids? You have to quit watching so much Fox News, dude.

quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

quote:

Maybe the real nutsoids, are the people running around, yelling about the nutsoids? You have to quit watching so much Fox News, dude.

You are much confused, Rich. I am not a Conservative, Republican, or right-winger. I am very much a science oriented and educated person who just happens to think there is evidence that casts doubt on the efficacy of CO2 as a cause for Warming. I have shown the ice core anomaly that questions the causality of CO2 on Warming a number of times in these threads. Until you can refute that evidence anything else you might have to say about me personally is irrelevant.