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RE: Submission is a gift!!!??? - 6/13/2006 9:02:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: MasterRoissey
afterall, aren't "gifts" to be offered. accepted and exchanged?

No. Gifts are to be offered.

After that, it's all game.

One of the reasons so many say it's NOT a gift is because it's always given with an expectation of return, and a desire for the "gift" to be accepted. That's not what a gift is.

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RE: Submission is a gift!!!??? - 6/13/2006 10:30:21 AM

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Well, if submission is a gift to a Dominant, then the converse has to be true. Dominance is a gift to the submissive. Both require eachother to be true in order for D/s to work. Part of me thinks that those that say that are grasping for some sort of speciality. Trying to make Dominants feel as if that submissive is somehow special. In reality, the submissive should be the one thanking the Dominant. The Dominant is doing all the work, and all the submissive has to do is be there and submit. A true submissive will realize this, and be thankful.

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RE: Submission is a gift!!!??? - 6/13/2006 10:45:34 AM

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Nonsense, “be thankful” two opposing forces coming together in harmonious grounded balance...if there be only that…there is wonder and splendor beyond ones wildest imagination.

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RE: Submission is a gift!!!??? - 6/13/2006 12:32:49 PM

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In reality, the submissive should be the one thanking the Dominant. The Dominant is doing all the work, and all the submissive has to do is be there and submit. A true submissive will realize this, and be thankful.

Oh Hell, son - who lied to you and told you that???? The "dom" does all the work?? Since WHEN? Every time I've been in a ds relationship (there have been 7 over the course of the past 22 years) *I did all the work. I did all the cleaning, cooking, serving, being on call, defering of wants and needs to someone else, defering of preferences in everything from clothing and hair and makeup to scene styles, times, intensities, and locations. What the hell was the dom doing other than basking in the fact that he never had to lift his rump from the couch except to go pee while he gave orders, got waited on hand and foot, and never had to wonder whether he was going to do Anything other than follow his own whims? If that qualifies as "doing all the work" then I need to Seriously consider becoming a domina and leaving submission behind for eternity.

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RE: Submission is a gift!!!??? - 6/13/2006 2:17:48 PM

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Submission is a lot of things.

Submission is a:

hand grenade
journey
kink
sexy fiction
calling
inner truth
tool of manipulation
cop out
compass
way of life
a role
a selfless act of grace and courage
a power trip

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RE: Submission is a gift!!!??? - 6/13/2006 2:45:33 PM

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i agree with slavejali..
"I guess a gift is only a gift when its freely given without any expectation of anything in return."..
its lifestyler talk for a definition of feelings.. very beautiful thought..
kinda brings a chilly air conditioned breeze into the room and makes the dominants squirm in their seats at the thought of a gift.

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RE: Submission is a gift!!!??? - 6/13/2006 4:00:05 PM

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Being submissive is a part of one's personality.

Submission, itself... the act and giving over a total surrender and the depths of who you are, and all that implies?

Some might consider that a gift to receive from someone, some may claim it as their right by virtue of their ability to draw that kind of profoundity from the person begging so eagerly, and some might just take it for granted.

Nothing is a gift unless the person who receives it considers it such.... otherwise, it might very well just be another burden.

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RE: Submission is a gift!!!??? - 6/13/2006 4:57:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: flaswitchmale
In reality, the submissive should be the one thanking the Dominant. The Dominant is doing all the work, and all the submissive has to do is be there and submit. A true submissive will realize this, and be thankful.

Fodder for the erotica/porn sites.

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RE: Submission is a gift!!!??? - 6/13/2006 8:43:13 PM

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G'evening all:

sublace, if you sincerely believe that your "submission" centers around your desire to provide kinky sex, you're completely misguided. Sex is a far cry from what makes d/s work.

What you offer with your submission is never a gift, you DO expect some sort of recompense. It's this give and take interaction between a dominant and a submissive which makes the power exchange work. Each should cherish the others' efforts and support them. Believing your submission is a gift is just nonsense. It's a trade, pure and simple.

Btw cacodylic, playing dommes as the villains is tired. Find a new rant.

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver
It's a two way street as is taking someone for granted, subs can do it as well as doms.

As usual, I have to tip my hat to Proprietrix & LA for sweeping away the fluffy talk and getting down to brass tacks.

Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others...

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RE: Submission is a gift!!!??? - 6/13/2006 9:49:42 PM

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Protagonistlily has some good things to say about this.

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RE: Submission is a gift!!!??? - 6/13/2006 9:59:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: GddssBella

What you offer with your submission is never a gift, you DO expect some sort of recompense. It's this give and take interaction between a dominant and a submissive which makes the power exchange work. Each should cherish the others' efforts and support them. Believing your submission is a gift is just nonsense. It's a trade, pure and simple.

I agree. No problem as long as the trade is "fair" [both parties are satisfied] -- which doesn't of course necessarily mean "even"...

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Btw cacodylic, playing dommes as the villains is tired. Find a new rant.

I don't think that most dommes are villains, nor do I think that villainy is restricted to dommes by any means. The comment was based on a biased sample -- I don't generally peruse non-domme profiles. Consider it the grumblings of a frustrated old man lol. Meanwhile I'll look for a new rant ;)

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RE: Submission is a gift!!!??? - 6/13/2006 11:21:33 PM

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Submission is a gift I enjoy tearing open with greedy and reckless abandon. I toss the wrapping paper on the floor and let the cats chase the tattered pieces around the house.

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RE: Submission is a gift!!!??? - 6/14/2006 5:57:39 AM

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G'morning all:

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ORIGINAL: cacodylic
I agree. No problem as long as the trade is "fair" [both parties are satisfied] -- which doesn't of course necessarily mean "even"...

Aha! Someone finally gets the point.

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ORIGINAL: cacodylic
Consider it the grumblings of a frustrated old man lol. Meanwhile I'll look for a new rant ;)

Having traveled the road many times before, I understand your frustration and can echo the sentiments. Luckily, I no longer have to search. It is nice to see that you can maintain your humor despite it all. I wish you good fortune.

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ORIGINAL: amayos
Submission is a gift I enjoy tearing open with greedy and reckless abandon. I toss the wrapping paper on the floor and let the cats chase the tattered pieces around the house.

The paper makes colorful scribble notes too...

Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others...

Bella

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RE: Submission is a gift!!!??? - 6/14/2006 6:37:57 AM

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Nonsense, “be thankful” two opposing forces coming together in harmonious grounded balance...if there be only that…there is wonder and splendor beyond ones wildest imagination.

I prefer to think of it as an unstoppable force against an unmoveable object.

Can't you just feel and hear the impact?

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RE: Submission is a gift!!!??? - 6/14/2006 7:06:38 AM

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I feel being Dominant must be a gift because it's not a part of my nature (as that I am submissive). So, perhaps, both are gifts.
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RE: Submission is a gift!!!??? - 6/14/2006 7:08:35 AM

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Maybe CollarMe should work like the bank. every dom who opens a new account gets a free gift, "grins"

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RE: Submission is a gift!!!??? - 6/14/2006 7:41:13 AM

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Maybe CollarMe should work like the bank. every dom who opens a new account gets a free gift, "grins"

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LOL I love it!!!

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RE: Submission is a gift!!!??? - 6/14/2006 8:24:42 AM

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Would we be able to exchange that gift if not completely satisfied? Can we upgrade when a better gift model comes out?

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RE: Submission is a gift!!!??? - 6/14/2006 8:49:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

Would we be able to exchange that gift if not completely satisfied? Can we upgrade when a better gift model comes out?

Nope - one free gift per customer, no exchanges or substitutions allowed, applicable only to new account registrants. Suffer with what you're given, and be glad you get a freebie at all! (After all, you can't exchange that "free gift for opening an account" that the bank gives you. Heck, ya can't even get grandfathered and get the gift later if you already had an account with them when the program started!)

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RE: Submission is a gift!!!??? - 6/14/2006 8:50:23 AM

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Sure, we could set up a gift exchange. Sitting here sharpening my knife wonder about the gifts who say they will do anything. "evil grin"

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