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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/20/2012 6:51:42 PM

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Doesn't this belong in "All Things Zimmerman"?

If that thread still existed.... yes.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/21/2012 1:57:19 AM

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There is no proof that George provoked the confrontation.

It the history of how blacks have been stalked and lynched throughout history in the south completely alien to you?

It must be if you don't think that Trayvon Martin was in reasonable fear for his safety after being followed by some potentially drugged up white guy for no legitimate purpose.

After all, Zimmerman wasn't on patrol at the time, and more importantly, TRAYVON MARTIN WASN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG. And of course, when the Jury gets to the "REASONABLE" part of Zimmerman's claims, they're just going to discard them.

Again, will Zimmerman claim poor representation because O'Mara didn't point out his diminished capacity? Given the way the guy is flopping around on the hook? Likely.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/21/2012 2:23:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

There is no proof that George provoked the confrontation.

It the history of how blacks have been stalked and lynched throughout history in the south completely alien to you?

It must be if you don't think that Trayvon Martin was in reasonable fear for his safety after being followed by some potentially drugged up white guy for no legitimate purpose.

After all, Zimmerman wasn't on patrol at the time, and more importantly, TRAYVON MARTIN WASN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG. And of course, when the Jury gets to the "REASONABLE" part of Zimmerman's claims, they're just going to discard them.

Again, will Zimmerman claim poor representation because O'Mara didn't point out his diminished capacity? Given the way the guy is flopping around on the hook? Likely.

A black guy mugged me 11 years ago on 9/11, By you logic this means /I would be justified in shooting any black who got near me without first explaining themselves.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/21/2012 4:51:15 AM

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If anyone truly knew what was going on that night, that time, and that moment is God , the young boy and
Zimmer and he is not telling, we all can guess and wish for something!

But no one knows and to agree to just agree is silly!

I hope this will never happen to anyone here, the hell and the fear to know you going to die, then
to have no one know what happen is a nightmare and for a parent, it is a death that last forever!!!!!!!

Yes we do have to tell out young blsck children to watch what you say. where you go and you must be the best
at everything in school and in the work force!!!!

No one give a job through some crap of., what is that called anyway? Oh yes affirmative action that is a joke!

My chidren all when to college on scholarships!!! So many people have this ideal of what "we should be like"
some of the people have been watching too many "rap "videos" no one in their right mind act this way if they have
been taught how to behave in the right manners!

That is why it is called a video!

I wonder when the Martin case would come back, and what would it say! Now we know oh wait it was out before so
oit is no shock to some of you more knowing folks and I thought I had read all that was to be told , I was wrong!

I hope this will make for some very interesting post. right? I do hope more will come out about Mr. Zimmerman and
what medicines he was on that night!!!

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/21/2012 5:59:21 AM

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It the history of how blacks have been stalked and lynched throughout history in the south completely alien to you?

Not relevant to this case.

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It must be if you don't think that Trayvon Martin was in reasonable fear for his safety after being followed by some potentially drugged up white guy for no legitimate purpose.

Trayvon isn't on trial, thus not relevant.

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After all, Zimmerman wasn't on patrol at the time, and more importantly, TRAYVON MARTIN WASN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG.

Not relevant. The watch guidelines said to call if you see anything suspicious, even if nothing ends up turning out to be wrong. That's what George did. He had no way of knowing that his attempt to assist Police would end up with his nose being broken and on the ground taking injury while unable to escape from Trayvon.

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And of course, when the Jury gets to the "REASONABLE" part of Zimmerman's claims, they're just going to discard them.

The only issue where "reasonable" comes up is at the moment the gun was fired. Was there a reasonable belief that force was needed to prevent serious bodily injury at that moment? If the State cannot prove beyond and to the exclusion of all reasonable doubt that there wasn't, George has to be acquitted.

Massad Ayoob has done a seminar where he explains that once pinned to the ground, disparity of force comes into play and fists become deadly weapons justifying the use of lethal force in self defense. And he's indicated he may be testifying on George's behalf. He'll be able to explain in an objective capacity why George's belief was reasonable.

And as Richard Hornsby put it, Florida was able to find a jury to acquit Casey Anthony, so there should be little trouble to find a jury to acquit someone that is likely innocent.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/21/2012 6:45:00 AM

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TRAYVON MARTIN WASN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG

Then why is he dead?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/21/2012 6:57:42 AM

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TRAYVON MARTIN WASN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG

Then why is he dead?

Hmmm....maybe because Zimmerman WAS doing something wrong...many things wrong in fact...and he unjustifiably shot an unarmed and innocent kid. Somehow that makes people dead when they shouldn't be.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/21/2012 7:02:54 AM

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And maybe he ought not to have attacked George and broken his nose but instead have told him: "Hi George, I went out to buy some candy for me and my brother. Would you like to have some too?"

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/21/2012 7:05:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
TRAYVON MARTIN WASN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG

Then why is he dead?

cuz he crossed paths with the wrong nutbar at the wrong place at the wrong time.. like this door-to-door salesman did..

http://skimthat.com/3101/florida-kills-salesman-kill-anybody-that-steps-property-story

unfortunately, sometimes shite happens.. and its usually the nutbars that survive..

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/21/2012 7:05:38 AM

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So now we have arrived at the heart of the matter. That Trayvon guy was an egotistical bastard: he didn't want to share his candy. That is one of the things that he did wrong.

So all you people, let this be a warning to you: share your candy.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/21/2012 7:07:43 AM

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I have read sufficient of your posts to know that you live in a fantasy world.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/21/2012 7:57:34 AM

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The key though, is there's still no evidence to prove that Trayvon would have been shot, if he hadn't been pinning George to the ground with George unable to escape at the time.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/21/2012 7:59:32 AM

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Yada yada

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/21/2012 10:48:24 AM

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So now we have arrived at the heart of the matter. That Trayvon guy was an egotistical bastard: he didn't want to share his candy. That is one of the things that he did wrong.

So all you people, let this be a warning to you: share your candy.

I would say Hardly at all the heart of the matter. Do you think at the time Zimmerman, a stranger to Trayvon Martin (a minor) was thinking about his candy and tea while he was being followed? In fact, I am quite sure, if Trayvon knew Zimmerman was after his candy and tea, Zimmerman would have gotten every last bit of it, so he could make his way home, which he was heading to, and which was only yards away from where this whole atrocity happened.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/21/2012 10:53:56 AM

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The key though, is there's still no evidence to prove that Trayvon would have been shot, if he hadn't been pinning George to the ground with George unable to escape at the time.

The real key is that this is America, and its supposed to be a free place to walk if you aren't starting trouble. Trayvon wasn't starting trouble. Zimmerman "suspected" him of that. Anything Zimmerman says about what Trayvon said and did, to me, is null and void, because it's a one sided story.

I can't get too involved in the Zimmerman bs because it's disappointing to me to know people are willing to defend injustice.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/21/2012 11:06:41 AM

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You scare me. Umm, I have some candy. Want some?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/21/2012 11:12:14 AM

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A lot of people are scared when they peek out of their fantasy world into reality.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/21/2012 1:05:34 PM

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and which was only yards away from where this whole atrocity happened.

About 110 yards away from Trayvon's home. (And half that away from George's truck).

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The real key is that this is America, and its supposed to be a free place to walk if you aren't starting trouble.

But that has no legal relevance to the case against George. Being suspicious of someone and calling law enforcement is not illegal.

What *is* legally relevant is: Did George reasonably believe force was needed to prevent great bodily harm at the moment he pulled the trigger? If so, he has to be acquitted. If the State cannot prove that he didn't, he has to be acquitted.

And evidence shows that at the time he pulled the trigger, he had sustained a broken nose as well as several other head injuries, and was pinned to the ground unable to escape for nearly a minute. And in Florida, if the State cannot disprove the Defense's theory of innocence, the Defense's theory has to be believed. (Stieh v. State; Fowler v. State).

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/22/2012 2:49:18 AM

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I just figured out why the DNA report is important NOW.

Osterman's book.

Osterman quotes Zimmerman as saying.

“For a brief moment I had control of the wrist, but I knew when he felt the sidearm at my waist with his leg. He took his hand that was covering my nose and went for the gun, saying, “You’re gonna die now, motherf-----.’ Somehow, I broke his grip on the gun where the guy grabbed it between the rear sight and the hammer. I got the gun in my hand, raised it toward the guy’s chest and pulled the trigger.”

DNA reports released Wednesday showed there was no DNA from Trayvon on the gun.

Prosecution admits the book into evidence, and then impeaches George Zimmerman's credibility YET ONCE AGAIN.

What is the effect on Zimmerman's claims once all of these "inconsistencies" are illustrated clearly? Is there ONE SINGLE THING which Zimmerman has told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth about? And if not, wouldn't it be imprudent to give credibility to any of his claims?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/22/2012 5:30:32 AM

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DNA reports released Wednesday showed there was no DNA from Trayvon on the gun.

That does not proof that Martin did not hold the gun.

Also, Zimmerman told his perception of what happened. His perception may have been mistaken.

And I do not care about Zimmerman's credibility. Whether or not he is credible, does not change my conclusion that the Trayvon guy was the aggressor and that Zimmerman acted in self-defence.

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