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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 7:42:30 AM

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 7:43:27 AM

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Question that hasn't been asked though; how big is a neighborhood watch group? How do they divide that up, especially since we're talking about an area with something like 200 homes, and the one Trayvon was staying at was on the opposite side from George's?

I think it's absurd that someone would expect someone to keep mental track of everyone and their guests in a 200 home area.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 7:47:29 AM

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I would think that being a neighborhood watch captain, for some time, with over 50 911 calls under his belt, he should know the neigborhood pretty well. Apparently de don't know shit though, hah?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 7:52:17 AM

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Question that hasn't been asked though; how big is a neighborhood watch group? How do they divide that up, especially since we're talking about an area with something like 200 homes, and the one Trayvon was staying at was on the opposite side from George's?

I think it's absurd that someone would expect someone to keep mental track of everyone and their guests in a 200 home area.

George was the "neighborhood coordinator" of the Neighborhood Watch program for the entirety of The Retreat at Twin Lakes Village, superior to block captains.

I don't think it unreasonable to expect him to have at his disposal the most currently updated data available to the Twin Lakes NW program since it's his duty to collect it from subordinate block captains and disseminate it to the community as a whole.

George Zimmerman, as NC, is in fact the "Custodian of Record" for that information.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 7:55:22 AM

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No, I would not be moving the goalposts. I don't know what your statement about some fucking mall cop book has to do with a fucking thing.

Well, he SHOULD HAVE known that Trayvon Martin was legitimately there IF he was going to be performing any duties related to his role with the Neighborhood Watch program overseen by the Sanford Florida PD.

And it would be understandable if, in his negligence of that duty, he reported Trayvon Martin to the Sanford PD for possible follow-up.

But that's pretty much where any REASONABLE person would have concluded their involvement. George Zimmerman's poor judgement and choice to provoke the situation by acting beyond his role as a citizen and member of a neighborhood watch continued, resulting in his killing of Trayvon Martin.

^^^^^^^^^^^^Farg said that, you said you demonstrated something which you did not.

There were no goalposts to move, since you aren't even on the field.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 8:04:10 AM

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What happens when you are breathing hard
You breathe thru your mouth.

and flat on your back with a broken nose? (cracked septum at best btw)
You breathe thru your mouth.

Lots of blood runs down your throat and into your windpipe.
Not lots at all, but down your throat till your sinuses swell, and block the flow (about 20 seconds)

Isn't the technicalterm for that drowning in your own blood?
NOT the way you got it.

but you would drown in your own blood if it filled your lungs, which a broken nose wont do. In fact one of the reasons you have to go to a doctor for a broken nose is to insure that it doesent deform your sinuses permanantly, there is buchu pressure in there, but no outlet. (thats the internal part) the external bleeding is due to the multitude of small vessels in the outer parts of your nose, and if you feel in your mouth upper lip where that bit of skin is, under there is the vein that feeds it, and you can suck down on like a wad of toilet papter and stop that blood, (or you can press hard with your finger and you will feel your nose go strange)....

Yes, I know how to stop a nose bleed but I seriously doubt that Zimmerman had time to do that with Martin on top of him.

Zimmerman had plenty of time after he killed Zimmerman to take care of a nose bleed. Interesting is no medical report on Zimmerman loss of blood, he was not anemiaic, shock, weakness, fatigue, lightheadedness, confusion, rapid heart rate, low blood pressure, possibly nausea. The Doctor reported Zimmerman blood presure as 130/80 in the high range, pulse 108, in other words very normal.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 8:08:06 AM

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No, I would not be moving the goalposts. I don't know what your statement about some fucking mall cop book has to do with a fucking thing.

Except I was addressing what was in that book, in response to someone addressing what was in that book, and you replied disagreeing with that statement about what was in that book.

So, you then proceeding to say you weren't talking about that book is, in fact, moving the goalposts from your statement which addressed a statement solely about what was in that book.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 8:11:11 AM

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I would think that being a neighborhood watch captain, for some time, with over 50 911 calls under his belt, he should know the neigborhood pretty well. Apparently de don't know shit though, hah?

He also struggled in school according to the grades the State (accidently) released. Let's hold him criminally liable for having a poor memory, that'll show 'em.

Seriously, this is some absurd stuff being argued, and I bet that's one argument the State won't be foolish enough to make.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 8:14:21 AM

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and you replied disagreeing with that statement about what was in that book.

That is a pure lie. I said no such thing, I didn't know the mall cop book existed. I don't read every spewing geyser of stupidity from start to finish each time I post.

It may be that we are both confused about what was what about. I showed you what I responded to he made post 1225 and you answered it quoted in 1227. Note that there is no discussion of a book in 1225. Again, you move goal posts and have demonstrated nothing that is visible to anyone.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 8:15:15 AM

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what does it matter who you are if you are acting strangely? if someone is acting strangely in my neighborhood I want my children safe... so please mister police officer make a point to look at everyone who is acting strangely keep them the hell away from my kids. if someone is acting in a disturbing way, I certainly don't want the cops to ignore it and go get a donut... let them work and let them do something with my taxes.

Simply walking is not justification, Kolender v. Lawson, 461 U.S. 352 (1983), is a United States Supreme Court.

Then again what is acting strangely...like this example?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/24/georgia-couple-held-at-gunpoint_n_1449439.html

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 8:16:10 AM

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I would think that being a neighborhood watch captain, for some time, with over 50 911 calls under his belt, he should know the neigborhood pretty well. Apparently de don't know shit though, hah?

He also struggled in school according to the grades the State (accidently) released. Let's hold him criminally liable for having a poor memory, that'll show 'em.

Seriously, this is some absurd stuff being argued, and I bet that's one argument the State won't be foolish enough to make.

Oh, sure they will, its only foolish to fools. They will also bring up his other brushes with the law, his bar fights, his assault on a woman and so on. It establishes a pattern of foolishness you see.

He remembered he had a gun, didn't he? How bad is his memory? Good luck with that line of asswipe.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 8:24:00 AM

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I would think that being a neighborhood watch captain, for some time, with over 50 911 calls under his belt, he should know the neigborhood pretty well. Apparently de don't know shit though, hah?

He also struggled in school according to the grades the State (accidently) released. Let's hold him criminally liable for having a poor memory, that'll show 'em.

Seriously, this is some absurd stuff being argued, and I bet that's one argument the State won't be foolish enough to make.

Oh, sure they will, its only foolish to fools. They will also bring up his other brushes with the law, his bar fights, his assault on a woman and so on. It establishes a pattern of foolishness you see.

He remembered he had a gun, didn't he? How bad is his memory? Good luck with that line of asswipe.

Actually Zimmerman addmited to the police he did have a bad memory due to having ADHA and the medication, however this is not a symptom of ADHA, nor or the medication he taking, aggression, easily angry, is. I find it funny that Zimmerman claims to have poor memory but seems to be very detailed about some parts of his so called fight with Martin.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 8:27:03 AM

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Anyone can claim a bad memory, but he seemed to make it to his house day to day, and where the grocery store might be, and to load up to go buy milk in case he had to throw down on it....I will stipulate he has a selective memory....

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 8:34:10 AM

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Actually Zimmerman addmited to the police he did have a bad memory due to having ADHA and the medication, however this is not a symptom of ADHA, nor or the medication he taking, aggression, easily angry, is. I find it funny that Zimmerman claims to have poor memory but seems to be very detailed about some parts of his so called fight with Martin.

It was ADHD that George said he had, and was on medication for.

And poor memory can be a symptom of ADHD.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 9:05:06 AM

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Someone with ADHD should not have a gun then if we go by your link...

Problems with attention, impulsivity and hyperactivity

Self-regulation is weak because the control mechanisms of the frontal lobe are not functioning well, e.g. self talk is not used; they are unaware of the consequences to their actions, fast cognitive speed contributes to impulsiveness.

Cannot maintain focus so have poor sustained effort; race from task to task; are easily bored; forget and lose things because they missed information due to being distracted; need external motivation

Due to motor activity, not anxiety. These people crave excitement and stimulation.

Egocentric; do not connect with others because they don’t care; are rejected socially because of inappropriate behavior; are intolerant and can become abusive; cannot negotiate so manipulate others; interrupt because of impulsivity and lack of control; do not listen because of attention difficulties and lack of concern for others.

Constantly frustrated and crave instant gratification

Vulnerable to criticism to which they react, sometimes angrily.

Frustration tolerance is low, leading to irritability, anger and aggression

May lie for no valid reason. Lying is impulsive and fear is not involved.

A lack of internal rules to govern behavior may lead to criminal activity. Maintaining a job may be a significant difficulty leading to low income and crime. People with ADHD are highly represented in the prison system.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 9:14:30 AM

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That's for the psychs and lawmakers in Florida to figure out IMO.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 9:21:11 AM

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And that said, my best friend has ADHD, his father is a Police Detective, and both are gun nuts. I go to the range with them pretty regularly and have never felt concerned about his owning several firearms.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/17/2012 12:41:59 PM

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You cannot say that I did not warn everyone. This topic is now closed. Once the trial begins someone can start a new topic, but if that one goes the same way this one has, it will be closed too.

Discuss the subject matter, and do not comment about each other.

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