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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

you need to look up proof.  If I say, that 99.9% of people in fear for their life, run and hide, and there is nothing in the genetic makeup of George Zimmerman that is part of Audie Murphies DNA I have cast an extremely reasonable doubt that (a couple things) he is not one of the .1%, or that the actions are consistent.

That will be deemed a proof (legally) and a FACT if they convict him. 

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Because that is a distinction without a difference, and George can phone it in.   He claims <<<<<<<<<<<note that word, it is self defense, and the state claims it is murder.

And the State is the one required to prove their claim, not George. If the Jury thinks George committed murder, but isn't sure; George has to be acquitted.

It's why Casey Anthony got off.

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My opinion was not based on the photos used by the media (the very first article I read didnt even have photos), it was based on how Zimmy handled himself with the 911 operator and what he said to her as well as the fact he was packing a gun (to go to the store?) and that he had some serious charges against him & incidents where he was violent and the aggressor, especially attacking a cop, seriously, who does that??? and he wanted to become a cop (& a Judge), no less.. there is not much logic with the guy, he is all emotion over-riding all else.. considering the things he has done both behind his various lawyers backs and against their advice (like the TV interview & his God comment ), he should be on America's Dumbest Criminals. He has been his own worst enemy, not the media.. JMO

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

you need to look up proof.  If I say, that 99.9% of people in fear for their life, run and hide, and there is nothing in the genetic makeup of George Zimmerman that is part of Audie Murphies DNA I have cast an extremely reasonable doubt that (a couple things) he is not one of the .1%, or that the actions are consistent.

That will be deemed a proof (legally) and a FACT if they convict him. 

Florida law does not even remotely work the way you described. That said:

At the moment George feared for his life, was he capable of running away? Witness testimony suggests that was not an option, and even if George was capable, Florida law says he did not have to.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

you need to look up proof.  If I say, that 99.9% of people in fear for their life, run and hide, and there is nothing in the genetic makeup of George Zimmerman that is part of Audie Murphies DNA I have cast an extremely reasonable doubt that (a couple things) he is not one of the .1%, or that the actions are consistent.

That will be deemed a proof (legally) and a FACT if they convict him. 

Florida law does not even remotely work the way you described. That said:

At the moment George feared for his life, was he capable of running away? Witness testimony suggests that was not an option, and even if George was capable, Florida law says he did not have to.

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So, since Trayvon Martin has a gun pulled on him, he's NOT fearing for his life, and is capable of fleeing ( so he can be shot in the back, I suppose? )

After all, the only person saying that he didn't have the gun drawn is the person with ZERO CREDIBILITY.

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Say, where is old Georgie hiding these days? I dont see him telling us everything he knows on the interview circuit anymore.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Because that is a distinction without a difference, and George can phone it in.   He claims <<<<<<<<<<<note that word, it is self defense, and the state claims it is murder.

And the State is the one required to prove their claim, not George. If the Jury thinks George committed murder, but isn't sure; George has to be acquitted.

It's why Casey Anthony got off.

Neglecting that negligent manslaughter is an included lesser offense. But I notice people omitting a lot of relevant details.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

you need to look up proof.  If I say, that 99.9% of people in fear for their life, run and hide, and there is nothing in the genetic makeup of George Zimmerman that is part of Audie Murphies DNA I have cast an extremely reasonable doubt that (a couple things) he is not one of the .1%, or that the actions are consistent.

That will be deemed a proof (legally) and a FACT if they convict him. 

Florida law does not even remotely work the way you described. That said:

At the moment George feared for his life, was he capable of running away? Witness testimony suggests that was not an option, and even if George was capable, Florida law says he did not have to.

LOLOLOLOL. Yeah, I have heard you say that before and have seen you proven wrong.

Say, where is old Georgie hiding these days?  I dont see him telling us everything he knows on the interview circuit anymore.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Say, where is old Georgie hiding these days? I dont see him telling us everything he knows on the interview circuit anymore.

He has already moved in with Casey Anthony. Well hidden, he is.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

you need to look up proof.  If I say, that 99.9% of people in fear for their life, run and hide, and there is nothing in the genetic makeup of George Zimmerman that is part of Audie Murphies DNA I have cast an extremely reasonable doubt that (a couple things) he is not one of the .1%, or that the actions are consistent.

That will be deemed a proof (legally) and a FACT if they convict him. 

Florida law does not even remotely work the way you described. That said:

At the moment George feared for his life, was he capable of running away? Witness testimony suggests that was not an option, and even if George was capable, Florida law says he did not have to.

So, since Trayvon Martin has a gun pulled on him, he's NOT fearing for his life, and is capable of fleeing ( so he can be shot in the back, I suppose? )

After all, the only person saying that he didn't have the gun drawn is the person with ZERO CREDIBILITY.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

Something someone listed out elsewhere that I think lays it out. This list of facts are all things that are established in the evidence released by the State, and does not in any way rely on George's testimony. (With minor editing).

FACT: Zimmerman had a legal right to be inside and outside his vehicle, at all times on the night in question
FACT: Zimmerman attempting to follow Martin is likewise not inherently illegal. (Further, doing so does not legally constitute “stalking”, under any circumstance)
FACT: Martin attempted to elude Zimmerman before Zimmerman ever got out of his vehicle
FACT: Martin successfully eluded Zimmerman
FACT: Zimmerman's exit of the vehicle was in direct response to dispatcher asking which way Martin was running.
FACT: After successfully eluding Zimmerman, Martin reached the vicinity of Brandi Green’s home
FACT: Martin refused to continue running, and refused to go inside Brandi Green’s home. (These facts clearly imply a lack of fear on Martin’s part.)
FACT: Martin returned to the location the encounter occurred, else it couldn't have happened.
FACT: Martin broke Zimmerman’s nose
FACT: Martin was on top of Zimmerman, beating Zimmerman
FACT: Zimmerman made attempts to escape, but was prevented from doing so by Martin
FACT: Zimmerman’s head/face was 45% covered in his own blood
FACT: Zimmerman had lacerations on the back of his head
FACT: Zimmerman had swelling of the head, bruising, and black eyes
FACT: Martin’s only injuries were to his knuckles, and the gunshot wound to his chest

FACT: Absent contradictory evidence, the above facts clearly exonerate Zimmerman. He has an open-and-shut claim of justified use of lethal force in self-defense, both to end the commission of a felony aggravated battery, and due to reasonable fear of imminent risk to life or bodily injury.

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

That last "fact" of yours... you know that's not a fact, doncha?

You know the difference between fact and opinion?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Raikun, comon, its well known, you spewed for 40 pages that sure lock that he will use the stand your ground defense and it will be dismissed out of hand due to his laser like adherence to the law, and that was that, and that was once proven untenable, and will be in 2013. 

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FACT: Martin was on top of Zimmerman, beating Zimmerman
FACT: Zimmerman made attempts to escape, but was prevented from doing so by Martin

FACT: Absent contradictory evidence, the above facts clearly exonerate Zimmerman. He has an open-and-shut claim of justified use of lethal force in self-defense, both to end the commission of a felony aggravated battery, and due to reasonable fear of imminent risk to life or bodily injury.

That last "fact" of yours... you know that's not a fact, doncha?

You know the difference between fact and opinion?

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

That last "fact" of yours... you know that's not a fact, doncha?

You know the difference between fact and opinion?

Nope, it is a fact, supported strongly by Florida law. There is a conditional in there, though. Maybe that confused you?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well, not really,  one interpretation of that is in somebodies slant.

Nope, no slant. It's all in the evidence without interpretation required.

FACT: Martin attempted to elude Zimmerman before Zimmerman ever got out of his vehicle. (W8's testimony)Yes, that is well known and shows clearly that Martin wanted to get away from Zimmerman and NOT confront him.

FACT: Martin successfully eluded Zimmerman (W8's testimony) A well known fact. How he eluded Zimmerman seems to be the question. You seem to think it is because Martin was busy running a marathon, while Zimmerman's statement later that same night indicates it is because Martin was hiding in some bushes. (See your "fact" about Martin "returning" to the "T" for an explaination..

FACT: Zimmerman's exit of the vehicle was in direct response to dispatcher asking which way Martin was running. (NEN call) The dispatcher asked which way Martin had run. He did not ask Zimmerman to get out of his vehicle and follow Martin, and in fact a few seconds later admonished Zimmerman about having followed Martin.

FACT: After successfully eluding Zimmerman, Martin reached the vicinity of Brandi Green’s home (W8's testimony) Witness #8 (DeeDee) said that Martin had told her he was near Green's house. The definition of "close to", "near", or "vicinity" has no relevince when exact distances can't be determined. It could mean 10 feet or it could mean 10 miles depending on the views of the person making the statement. Since Martin is now dead we have no way of knowing what "close to", "near", or "vicinity" might have meant to him.

FACT: Martin refused to continue running, and refused to go inside Brandi Green’s home. (W8's testimony) When asked why Martin wasn't going to run DeeDee said it was because Martin was tired and out of breath. Clearly does not indicate a confrontational attitude. In listening to the interview with the state prosecutor, at NO POINT does DeeDee say anything about Martin "refusing" to go into Green's house. If you are going to claim that as "fact" please cite your source.

FACT: Martin returned to the location the encounter occurred, else it couldn't have happened. (Multiple witnesses place the encounter at the T intersection, where previously George had no sight of Trayvon, primarily W11, W20, W6) According to your boy's own statement, he saw Martin emerge from the shrubbery next to a nearby building. Nowhere in anyone's statement does anyone indicate that he "returned" to the "T" from anywhere. If you listen to DeeDee's statement she mentioned several times about Martin going "back" (as in continue going on back from the store) to Green's house...NOT back to the "T". It took approximately 13 seconds for Zimmerman to go from his vehicle to the "T". In that 13 seconds you are trying to say that Martin finished going out of sight from Zimmerman, ran all the way to the end of the row of buildings, turned around and ran all the way back to the "T", and had time to hide in the bushes that Zimmerman mentions...all in 13 seconds. Ridiculous.

FACT: Martin was on top of Zimmerman, beating Zimmerman (W6's testimony) No arguement there. If someone was following, chasing, hunting, and trying to wrongfully detain me I would knock them down and kick the shit out of them too.

FACT: Zimmerman made attempts to escape, but was prevented from doing so by Martin (W6's testimony) Zimmerman would NOT have been in a situation to need to escape had he not been wrongfully pursuing Martin in the first place. He was in a situation of his own wrongfull creation.