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Fellow -> RE: Obama Net Positive For Job Creation Since He Took Office (9/30/2012 10:08:49 AM)
quote: economy has crossed the threshold and more jobs have been created than lost during President Obama’s term. The unemployment increased when Obama started and it has remained relatively constant since. So, the more jobs were enough to balance the increase in labor force? (Although, some data suggest labor force participation is declining due to the shortage of gainful employment opportunities). There has been a steep decline in median household income during all four Obama years and high inflation in basic consumer goods (energy, food)(not good for jobs creation, people are not buying). How does government create private sector jobs? There are two ways: by creating a favorable business environment and by the government contracts. Obama administration has worsened the business environment (Obama care, Fed financial policies, continuation of jobs killer trade policies etc...). The government contracts should account for most private sector job creation. Five million new energy jobs Obama promised during his first election campaign have not been seen. 900 billion stimulus obviously created jobs. Critics point out it was messy, not well focused on long-term gains. Some things the government orders (for your money) are not very good: back-scatter body scanners and vans, 30,000 domestic spying drones, 1.6 billion bullets for the federal agencies, spy software and billion dollar data centers, and other things like that. In addition, over trillion annual deficit to do all that is very questionable practice. I wish Obama performance was better. My guess is his total lack of understanding in economic matters is to blame. In addition, he was not ready to become a leader (most important tasks he delegated to some kind of committee, "task force", czar, experienced corrupt bureaucrat [e.g. Dodd] etc...). The diagnosis used for the economy was wrong, and the medicine to repair the economy (money printing) does no good. The bankers did put him into the office and they have been running the show since. All this will lead to inevitable sharp decline in the economy during Obama second term as the current situation has been artificially boosted up by borrowing leaving the basic crisis conditions (no driver for job creation, insolvent financial sector, bad trade policies, bad tax policies) unchanged.

FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: Obama Net Positive For Job Creation Since He Took Office (9/30/2012 10:41:32 AM)
Only ONE way for the fed to create jobs? You're serious?

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Obama Net Positive For Job Creation Since He Took Office (9/30/2012 11:14:32 AM)
Fellow, Republicans are the ones against decent paying jobs. Who is against unions and raising the minimum wage? It sure isn't Democrats.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Obama Net Positive For Job Creation Since He Took Office (9/30/2012 2:22:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper CONSTRUCTED metaphor in your specious arguments. At least with your reference to worker population growth you establish "the job creators" of republican mythology, continue to bring illegals in to steal American jobs, never mind the time honored tradition of outsourcing they maintain, even to this day. Sorry, I'm not intelligent enough to grasp at all what you're trying to convey.

Fellow -> RE: Obama Net Positive For Job Creation Since He Took Office (9/30/2012 7:34:50 PM)
quote: Only ONE way for the fed to create jobs? You're serious? I said private sector jobs.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Obama Net Positive For Job Creation Since He Took Office (9/30/2012 9:07:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl Fellow, Republicans are the ones against decent paying jobs. Who is against unions and raising the minimum wage? It sure isn't Democrats. Raising the minimum wage has worse effects on hiring of youth, low or no skilled workers, and, on black youth. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/21/opinion/what-are-the-effects-of-raising-the-minimum-wage.html?_r=0 http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba550 http://www.heritage.org/research/testimony/the-economic-effects-of-the-minimum-wage

papassion -> RE: Obama Net Positive For Job Creation Since He Took Office (10/1/2012 11:56:59 AM)
Does anyone have any confidence in an agency that basically said, "Oh, we fucked up! We just found 450,000 more jobs!" they must have some really competant accountants in that place!

SternSkipper -> RE: Obama Net Positive For Job Creation Since He Took Office (10/1/2012 1:49:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper CONSTRUCTED metaphor in your specious arguments. At least with your reference to worker population growth you establish "the job creators" of republican mythology, continue to bring illegals in to steal American jobs, never mind the time honored tradition of outsourcing they maintain, even to this day. Even your much quoted Fact Check says you're a liar about Romney outsourcing... Why do you keep repeating the lie? Are you hoping the lie will come true? Linky Liar? I'm not some lazy public servant sitting in cruiser eating donuts and browsing perve sites.

SternSkipper -> RE: Obama Net Positive For Job Creation Since He Took Office (10/1/2012 2:02:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow quote: Only ONE way for the fed to create jobs? You're serious? I said private sector jobs. Yes but in your fraudulent, across the border there is the implicit claim that the fed is actually doing something to curtail job creation, when in fact your job creators in your fantasy are actually withholding investment in partnership with a GOP who publicly stated they would put the sabotage of the Obama administration ahead of the business of the people.

SternSkipper -> RE: Obama Net Positive For Job Creation Since He Took Office (10/1/2012 2:48:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper CONSTRUCTED metaphor in your specious arguments. At least with your reference to worker population growth you establish "the job creators" of republican mythology, continue to bring illegals in to steal American jobs, never mind the time honored tradition of outsourcing they maintain, even to this day. Even your much quoted Fact Check says you're a liar about Romney outsourcing... Why do you keep repeating the lie? Are you hoping the lie will come true? Link y [Link http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/romneys-bain-capital-invested-in-companies-that-moved-jobs-overseas/2012/06/21/gJQAsD9ptV_story.html/]EAT THIS[/link]

SternSkipper -> RE: Obama Net Positive For Job Creation Since He Took Office (10/1/2012 2:56:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie Sorry, I'm not intelligent enough to grasp at all what you're trying to convey. That's okay. Maybe next time. Other people got that I was talking about your using straw "hungry men" to make a specious argument.

tetonguide -> RE: Obama Net Positive For Job Creation Since He Took Office (10/1/2012 4:07:35 PM)
All stats can be manipulated. Obama drones love to read them. Conservatives love to quote them. Here are a few indisputable facts. Published by the Obama administration but viewed differently by me. 1.Fact: Census says there are about 310 million americans now. I don't care how many may or may not be legal etc. 310 million is the agreed to number. 2. Fact: Obama raised the debt, admittedly by 7 trillion dollars. Thats 7,000,000,000,000.00 dollars. He cops to this. 3. SOOOOOO....... #2 divided by #1 equals 22,000 approx. So every man, woman, child, worker, sub, master, slave, gimp, grandma, redneck, black panther, lesbian, trans-sexual, nerd, hero or grocery bagger in the country could have gotten a check for 22 grand. That didn't happen, no surprise BUTTTTT...I ask you all what happen to the money? Who got it? Where did it go? It wasn't used for debt since it added to the debt. Simple accounting there. And we thought Chaney and Enron was rippin us off?....hahahahahahaha Any answers????, beuhler, beuhler............?????.........

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Obama Net Positive For Job Creation Since He Took Office (10/1/2012 5:15:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie Sorry, I'm not intelligent enough to grasp at all what you're trying to convey. That's okay. Maybe next time. Other people got that I was talking about your using straw "hungry men" to make a specious argument. Well, thank you for making that vastly more clear.

Lucylastic -> RE: Obama Net Positive For Job Creation Since He Took Office (10/1/2012 5:21:14 PM)
2. Fact: Obama raised the debt, admittedly by 7 trillion dollars. Thats 7,000,000,000,000.00 dollars. He cops to this. Source please

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Obama Net Positive For Job Creation Since He Took Office (10/1/2012 5:35:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic 2. Fact: Obama raised the debt, admittedly by 7 trillion dollars. Thats 7,000,000,000,000.00 dollars. He cops to this. Source please I'm thinking the US Treasury ought to be a reasonable source. http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGateway (Try to be aware that his Presidency isn't over until January 21, 2013).

Lucylastic -> RE: Obama Net Positive For Job Creation Since He Took Office (10/1/2012 6:38:37 PM)
that wasnt the source I was looking for his figure of 7 trillion is wrong and will be wrong the day of the next presidency term starts 10,626,877,048,913. jan 20 2009 16,066,241,407,385. sept 29 2012(the latest data) = debt in the amount of 5,439,364,358,472. Are you trying to tell me the debt will go up by a trillion and a half in four months??

Fellow -> RE: Obama Net Positive For Job Creation Since He Took Office (10/1/2012 8:37:47 PM)
quote: Yes but in your fraudulent, across the border there is the implicit claim that the fed is actually doing something to curtail job creation, when in fact your job creators in your fantasy are actually withholding investment in partnership with a GOP who publicly stated they would put the sabotage of the Obama administration ahead of the business of the people. I have no idea what you are talking about. GOP and the Democrats are the same club, they have made job creation very difficult in this country. Of course the Fed actions restrict job creation, they prevent markets to function normally. If somebody needs jobs vote Libertarian. If you want empty promises vote Democrat or Republican.

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