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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 8:46:03 AM

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about everyone except Netanyahu agrees that the Iranians are NOT in the process of building nukes

Everyone... do you have a list or something or is it just an opinion.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 8:49:28 AM

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they have the capability to ship half a million soldiers

How...with floaties…If they were dumb enough to put troops on san pans and send them off to Iran…do you think the greatest Navy in the world will let them?

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 8:51:28 AM

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ermood -

I would not be concerned with ground troops as much as I would the effects of embargoes and blockades.

The closure of the straits of Hormuz, and the Suez Canal would shred the European economy. And the 10 and 25 percentages of oil supplied to the US by Venezuela and Mexico respectively being embargoed would hurt.

Brazil sanctioning the EU with an embargo could seriously hurt too, the Europeans import a lot of food from there and the rest of Central and South America as that goes. More then one European country imports a substantial percentage of the food they eat.

With China and India escorting their merchant vessels, stopping their trade with Iran would be difficult. And the Russians are quite able to turn off much of the EU's natural gas. While the Anglo North Americans might be able to absorb much of the economic trouble, the Europeans would certainly find the economic costs unacceptable. And Australia would find themselves in a very bad position if they got involved, and embargo by China on Australia alone would cause serious trouble.

Anyone who fully thinks this through and considers the players and what they are capable of will not consider this conflict becoming a military event as acceptable.

But if certain militaristic fools wish to instigate WW3 this sort of thing is a very good way to go about it.

I will see if I can find an online source for the cartoon, the Cartago paper has no online presence.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 9:28:02 AM

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North Korea would have no enemies between them and Iran, so shipping would be possible.
Also if China, Pakistan and Indonesia would get involved it would be easy for North-Korea to get to Iran.

if North-Korea would attack Soeul they wouldn't do it alone, and the US and South-Korea wouldn't be able to defeat North-Korea together with most likely China.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 9:30:00 AM

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Yes but who would attack them if they are on their way to Iran? The whole area (exept for Australia) is supporting Iran, so yes they have a big chance of arriving in the Mid-East

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 9:33:23 AM

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The whole area (exept for Australia) is supporting Iran, do you really think the greatest navy in the world would get much chance?
Most of the Navy of the US in that region would get distroyed quickly after they declared war against Iran.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 9:37:13 AM

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True, the embargo's would screw the western world big time, but as you know the economics of the western world are already in deep trouble...

But we'll see how it would go... just a matter of time.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 9:37:14 AM

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It does not matter who does what, this is arguing about what a grenade could, or would do if detonated in a box full of mice, all possible prospects are catastrophic.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 9:38:31 AM

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Totally agree with that;)

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 9:44:19 AM

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Israel is armed with nuclear weapons. Iran is not. I think it'd be a really, really, short war. I just wish the US would stop supporting Israel but that's not likely to happen anytime soon.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 9:48:23 AM

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Nobody will use any nuclear weapons, its more like a way to threaten enemies.
Iran is supported by India, Pakistan, China and Russia... they all have nuclear weapons...

If Israel would use nuclear weapons it would be whiped of the map within a few hours.

So the chance that Israel would use nuclear weapons is lower than 0% ;)

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 9:52:23 AM

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I have a great doubt that India is bunghole buddies with Iran. They are trying to sell them stuff, but that is about as far as the war alliance will go there.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 9:58:17 AM

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Most of the Navy of the US in that region would get distroyed quickly after they declared war against Iran.

What... by whom

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 10:00:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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Most of the Navy of the US in that region would get distroyed quickly after they declared war against Iran.

What... by whom

The Chinese Aircraft carrier.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 10:03:02 AM

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North Korea would have no enemies between them and Iran, so shipping would be possible.
Also if China, Pakistan and Indonesia would get involved it would be easy for North-Korea to get to Iran.

if North-Korea would attack Soeul they wouldn't do it alone, and the US and South-Korea wouldn't be able to defeat North-Korea together with most likely China.

That's a fantasy. The only option N. Korea and China would have to attack more than Soeul is WMD's and neither China nor N. Korea has the ability to strike much of the mainland US. The US retaliation would destroy all of China and they know it. China will not get involved for the N. Koreans who they don't like much, N. Korea was always aligned with the USSR against the Maoists.

Pakistan and Afghanistan will not side with Iran so over flight is impossible. Indonesia is a close US ally and is not friendly with the Arab Muslim world so it is extremely unlikely to get involved on the behalf of Iran.

As to closing the Hormuz. Iran is welcome to try but they won't succeed. A single CVBG is more than capable of dealing with the iranian air and naval forces and the US can easily put 3 within strike range of the strait. The Egyptian will nit close the Suez. It is worth too much to the young regime.

Maybe you should learn about the real world before posting your wishes on a forum like this.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 11:25:04 AM

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India is an vital allie for Iran since it has a lot of influence in the region, its nothing more than that... India won't go to war for Iran or anything.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 11:27:00 AM

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Not vital at all.

If Israel goes to war with Iran, they are going to be very very lonely, and all skirmishes resulting from such idiocy will be low key with the super powers.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 11:27:03 AM

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China, Iran, Pakistan ect.

a navy is easy to distroy.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 11:37:16 AM

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do you really think the greatest navy in the world would get much chance

Yes ..more than a chance...an almost certainty.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 11:37:35 AM

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I don't know where you get your facts from but Nord-Korea is simply stronger than South-Korea, and China's ground army is way stronger than the US ground army, so in what way do you even think that Nord-Korea and China wouldn't be able to take South-Korea?
And nobody needs to invade the US;)

Pakistan and Afghanistan already sided with Iran, and Pakistan would even go war with Iran becouse of its good relations with China and simply becouse the people in Pakistan are already hating the US.

For Indonesia its simple, they hate Israel, they aren't that close allies of the US, and Iran is their greatest allie in the Mid-East... remember: Iran is NOT an arab state.

Iran has a navy perfectly build to close the strait of Hormuz, it won't be easy to re-open for the US.
For Egypt its not a matter of doing it since there are only allies of Iran in the area, so they don't even need to close the Suez chanel.

I think that you really need to find facts that are not based on propaganda;)

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