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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 2:21:12 PM   
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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 2:25:45 PM   
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If you really think any military, or combination of militaries, can oppose the US then it is you who need to find the facts and not believe propoganda.



Are Ho Chi Minh and his Viet Cong all mythological characters?

No, but neither has had much influence on realpolitik for quite a while now.


So who is killing your troops in Afghanistan?

Pakistanis, mostly.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 2:38:22 PM   
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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 2:40:06 PM   
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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 2:45:57 PM   
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becouse you can't conquer a counrie with a navy friend;) a navy is not a vital part of the military... besides that, why would it have to be done more often?

Tell the Benelux and the French that.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 2:48:26 PM   
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about everyone except Netanyahu agrees that the Iranians are NOT in the process of building nukes


Everyone... do you have a list or something or is it just an opinion.

Butch

Funny how many people forget the very strong reports by the IAEA over the last year or so? The Third World doesn't seem to care but much of the Western World is worried about Iran, with Canada even evicting Iran's ambassador recently.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 2:55:21 PM   
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I was wondering, eventually hell will brake lose between those counries, but what are you thinking about it?

Isreal says that Iran is building/trying to build nuclear weapons, but no prove has found yet.
Iran refused some visits of the IAEA, Israel and the US see it as a prove that Iran has something to hide. But Isreal has never allowed IAEA inspections and even the US has refused more IAEA visits than Iran has...

But when it would come to a war, wich side would you be on? wich side would win?

Some facts wich would help:

128 countries have decided to support Iran.
30 counries have decided to support Israel.
Iran's main allies (in this matter) are Russia, China, North-Korea and India.
Isreal's main allies (in this matter) are the US and the UK.
counries that have a chance of going to war for this matter would be:
-Israel
-US
-UK
-France
-Germany
-The Netherlands
-Australia

-Iran
-Syria
-Iraq
-Turkey
-Pakistan
-Afghanistan
-Oman
-Egypt
-Sudan
-China
-Russia
-Indonesia
-North-Korea
-Malaysia
-Venezuela
-Cuba
-Nicaragua
Iran is also supported by the Hamas and Hezbollah.
Groups like Al-Qaeda, Al-Shabaab, Taliban, Jihad ect. could also join the war on Iran's side.


I know this issue can be viewed in many ways so please leave a comment and i will answer as quickly as possible;)




I say we just print up (as we have recently, only more so) 27.5 katrillion U.S. Dollars, buy every damned one of these fascile countries and tell them...."here we are to save the daaaaaaaaaay...."

(But I'm just one man, alone in the wilderness....).

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 2:55:34 PM   
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becouse you can't conquer a counrie with a navy friend;) a navy is not a vital part of the military... besides that, why would it have to be done more often?

Why did Germany lose WWI and WWII? Their navy was defeated and they couldn't stop the flow of materiel to the allies or stop the landings
Why did Japan lose? Same thing
Why didn't N Korea win immediately (it was a very near thing)? They had no navy to speak of and couldn't stop the resupply of the South.

Navies don't conquer countries but lack of one means the best you can hope for is a stalemate while your opponent reduces your cities to rubble.

Take some history classes.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 2:57:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

If you really think any military, or combination of militaries, can oppose the US then it is you who need to find the facts and not believe propoganda.



Are Ho Chi Minh and his Viet Cong all mythological characters?

No, but neither has had much influence on realpolitik for quite a while now.


So who is killing your troops in Afghanistan?

Pakistanis, mostly.


So the "Pakistanis" have been at war with the US, NATO, and their military allies in Afghanistan for over a decade but nobody can oppose the US and its allies?

How many more years do you think the war will go in before the Anglo-Americans and NATO retreat from Afghanistan victorious?


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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 2:58:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		The US air superiority has no use when they would already fighting over Iran;) where the air superiority would have been vital...
The US has the best airforce and naval, sad part is that you don't conquer/protect any counrie with it... at the ground the US simply sucks.

Here is no discussion about, both Pakistan and Afghanistan already sided with Iran, besides that, the people over there would do anything to get their gouverments as far as declearing war on the US.

There are lots of ambassadors in Israel, don't know why that is so wierd in your eyes...

Iran doesn't need all of that, the strait of Hormuz isn't that great... the only thing Iran has to do is dropping the mines;) then its all closed.
The US wouldn't be able to get passed them directly, in meanwhile Iran could send its small boats wich have enough torpedo's to sink the big ships of the US, while the US can't do alot while these small boats of Iran can easely dodge any encounters;)

I have my facts right here;)
If you want to make clear that the US is unstopeble then you need to open your eyes friend;) the US is a falling superpower.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 3:00:42 PM   
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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 3:02:31 PM   
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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 3:05:09 PM   
ermood


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Status: offline 		Germany already lost when it invaded the Soviet Union, the Japanese lost becouse of the nukes;)

Who needs lessons now friend;)

Yes a navy is very important, but not vital.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 3:05:24 PM   
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The US air superiority has no use when they would already fighting over Iran;) where the air superiority would have been vital...
The US has the best airforce and naval, sad part is that you don't conquer/protect any counrie with it... at the ground the US simply sucks.

Here is no discussion about, both Pakistan and Afghanistan already sided with Iran, besides that, the people over there would do anything to get their gouverments as far as declearing war on the US.

There are lots of ambassadors in Israel, don't know why that is so wierd in your eyes...

Iran doesn't need all of that, the strait of Hormuz isn't that great... the only thing Iran has to do is dropping the mines;) then its all closed.
The US wouldn't be able to get passed them directly, in meanwhile Iran could send its small boats wich have enough torpedo's to sink the big ships of the US, while the US can't do alot while these small boats of Iran can easely dodge any encounters;)

I have my facts right here;)
If you want to make clear that the US is unstopeble then you need to open your eyes friend;) the US is a falling superpower.

RE: air superiority. Ever hear of bombers? You're too young to remember the first Gulf war.
After weeks of bombing, thousands of Republican guard were surrendering to news trucks or anything else they could find.
re: Small boats, look up "Phalanx".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtPWMTTF6ac

You need to read some history instead of drinking the Mullah's kool aid.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 3:08:41 PM   
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Germany already lost when it invaded the Soviet Union, the Japanese lost becouse of the nukes;)

Who needs lessons now friend;)

Yes a navy is very important, but not vital.

Germany invaded the USSR in June, 1941.
At the time, they were winning handily on all fronts.
As for the nukes, Japan was already defeated and both sides were preparing for the end game. They only hastened the end.

Seriously dude, read some history instead of drinking Mullah Koolaid.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 3:10:01 PM   
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And who are we? the US? couse last time i checked the US was the poorest countrie on earth;)

Got something resembling facts to back up that asswipe or is that more Muhammed Koolaid?

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 3:13:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		One problem, Irans navy are not a bunch of ordinary pirates who are just floating on the water friend;) the "Phalanx" has a certain range, has a certain field of firing, do you think Iran wouldn't have messured that... besides that, while US ships are trying to stop the small boats of Iran, Iran could easely attack them with missiles from the ground... it would take almost the whole US navy to get through that.


I read enough history, but you should come along with the time friend;)

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 3:16:56 PM   
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It isn't about winning the battles, its about winning the war... and everybody knows that invading Russia only leads to one thing... defeat;)
You're such a typicle US citzen;) to lazy and to dumb to go after the truth... let me guess... you're thinking the US didn't lost in Vietnam... well you did... and bigtime;)

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 3:20:25 PM   
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serious? are you really that dumb?

It isn't about winning the battles, its about winning the war... and everybody knows that invading Russia only leads to one thing... defeat;)

Tell the Mongols that.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/16/2012 3:23:00 PM   
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One problem, Irans navy are not a bunch of ordinary pirates who are just floating on the water friend;) the "Phalanx" has a certain range, has a certain field of firing, do you think Iran wouldn't have messured that... besides that, while US ships are trying to stop the small boats of Iran, Iran could easely attack them with missiles from the ground... it would take almost the whole US navy to get through that.


I read enough history, but you should come along with the time friend;)

Field of fire from depressed below the horizon to nearly verticle and 360 degree coverage. effective range about 2.25 miles.
Ground based missiles are also vulnerable to the phalanx if they survive the initial aerial bombardment.

You have shown that you have read almost no history.

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