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"forced" Bi, what's the point? - 11/3/2012 3:26:33 AM

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so after reading some of the comments in another thread, and previous ones along the same lines, on what makes a person bi or not i got to thinking.....what's the point of forced bi, and does it even exist?

there are some people who claim that they are so straight that they could never be considered bi. then in the next breath go on to say that if M/D said so they would endure sex with a person of the same sex, but that they are still straight. these people seem to be rather forthright about telling other people how bi they are though if they have same gender sex.

so i'm wonder.....what's the point? surely if you are that straight, and the thought of sg sex squicks you out that much then it should be a hard limit that the M/D respects. if it's not a hard limit then surely you are as bi as the ones you point the bi stick at. i kind of can get my head around the thought of the evil M/D that gets off on the 'consenting rape' aspect that may come into that, but i just don't see what you could get out of knowing that your person is getting nothing out of it.

for women being played with i can see that it could happen and you wouldn't be turned on. however, i don't see why anyone would want to bother playing with someone that they knew was concenting, but getting nothing out of it. as the straight woman how could you possibly bring yourself to play with another woman if it squicks you out so much?

for guys i wonder the same things. on the other side though it's very easy to see if he is really turned on by what is happening.

so come on, what do you all get out of it? what's the point?

and if you are the one being forced, but claiming to be straight while pointing the bi stick at others who say they are straight, why the hell do you do it?

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RE: "forced" Bi, what's the point? - 11/3/2012 3:39:47 AM

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I seriously don't care if he gets nothing out of it. The entire venture is about pleasing Me. What I want to see him do and what I want to have the POWER to make him do is the point of it all. It's not about him opening his mouth so he can get his sexual kicks. It's about him taking cock down his throat to satisfy MY sexual kinks. It's about owning someone so completely that My will overrides his own.

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RE: "forced" Bi, what's the point? - 11/3/2012 4:10:22 AM

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What LadyP said.

I am straight. Totally straight. I really can't even consider enjoying sexual relationships with another woman - even the thought makes me shudder.

But when I agreed to be Master's slave, I also agreed that he had the right to do what he wanted with my hard limits. He is aware of the repercussions that might occur if he did breach these limits, but I trust him to only do the stuff that won't destroy me and/or our relationship.

If he wanted me to have sex with another woman, I would. I would hate it and I know I'd be dealing with the psychological after-effects for a long, long time, but I would do it. For him. Because I gave him that power.

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RE: "forced" Bi, what's the point? - 11/3/2012 4:50:14 AM

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"Forced bi" is usually getting to experience all the feel-good stuff about homosexuality, without the guilt and personal responsibility, even if the internal mind game is being played out only on the subconscious level...

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RE: "forced" Bi, what's the point? - 11/3/2012 5:04:34 AM

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"Forced bi" is usually getting to experience all the feel-good stuff about homosexuality, without the guilt and personal responsibility, even if the internal mind game is being played out only on the subconscious level...

I disagree with this bit. I would still feel badly about it, and it's still my personal responsibility to take part in it. The difference is, if I say 'no' to doing this, it could have major repercussions on the rest of my relationship.

YMMV.

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RE: "forced" Bi, what's the point? - 11/3/2012 5:14:43 AM

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so are you saying that your no has greater repercussions that your yes? you think that him being disappointed in not getting his own way is far worse than forcing you to do something that you are so against?

my different thinking brain screams at me that that is just so wrong. my hard limits are there for a reason and if he tried to force those limits i think i'd lose my respect for him.

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RE: "forced" Bi, what's the point? - 11/3/2012 5:24:52 AM

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Yes, that's pretty much what I'm saying.

When I agreed to the 'no limits' thing, I knew I could trust him to take care of me. He is aware of my limits and neither of us can see a point where he would ignore them.

But the strength of our relationship is our trust in each other. If he was to breach any of my limits, there would be a reason and there would be support there if/when needed. If I said 'no', then it's clear that my trust in him has gone and our relationship is not as strong as we thought.

I recall a little while ago Kana saying he had played an mindfuck on LW where he threatened to nail something (her tongue, I believe) to the table. She trusted him enough to go get the hammer and nails. He then informed her it was just a mindfuck.

It's that kind of trust that I have with Master. He loves me, and he doesn't want to break me. I trust him in that.

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RE: "forced" Bi, what's the point? - 11/3/2012 5:31:35 AM

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Surely with the language being used above, "forced", "broken hard limits" etc, whomever is supposedly in "control" of a situation like this lis laying themselves very open to the process of law, and being charged in some degree with rape?

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RE: "forced" Bi, what's the point? - 11/3/2012 5:41:20 AM

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ok i get your point to an extent. i say extent because i don't see what the hell it has to do with trusting the other person. i know myself best so if i say no it's for a reason and the other person should just respect that, as they expect me to respect their's. i'm not sure how someone can agree to 'no limits' when they have limits, but that's just me.

but there are those that insist on the other taking part in same gender sex when the other is very adament that they are straight. i don't see how anyone can claim to be straight, have sex with the same gender and still claim to be straight when they insist that others are bi just because they allowed themselves to be 'forced'.

another thing it makes me wonder is this; if it's all down to enjoying the experience what would it mean if you had been blindfold, had no idea who the other person playing with you is, and enjoyed what happened. if you cum from this does that make you bi? when the blindfold comes off you can't claim that you didn't enjoy it just because you now know that they were the same gender. therefore it is only your own mind block that tells you you are straight.

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RE: "forced" Bi, what's the point? - 11/3/2012 5:47:38 AM

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quote:

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Surely with the language being used above, "forced", "broken hard limits" etc, whomever is supposedly in "control" of a situation like this lis laying themselves very open to the process of law, and being charged in some degree with rape?

DrG

hence why i have put "forced" as in concenting rather as we speak about concenting rape.

if truely forced then yes there are legal ramifications.

but the crux of my question is about those who claim to be straight while slapping the Bi lable on others who say they are straight, but will play to whatever extent with same gender people. some of these people have claimed to be straight, but have admitted that they would/have take part in same gender sex if their M/D said they must.

i'm just not sure where the definition is fitting for some, but not others even thought all have played, or would play with the same gender.

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RE: "forced" Bi, what's the point? - 11/3/2012 5:54:30 AM

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I believe the view on "bi" & "forced bi" will always have its seperate camps.
Some believe you either are, or aren't "bi", that if same sex contact occurs, you ARE bi, and never the twain shall meet. Unless of course they are fucking each other.

I think it's more complicated than that.

I saw above that some "straight types" will allow the same sex contact, and appease thier conscience by using the descriptive; "forced bi".
It's up to them, but they really should be looking a little harder at themselves before labeling others so readily.

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RE: "forced" Bi, what's the point? - 11/3/2012 5:55:45 AM

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My definition?

If you call to book a session, and request forced bi.. and then pay extra for it... no matter how much we role play 'force'... you're bi... get over it.

If I am playing with you on a personal level, and I surprise you with a cock & you acquiesce & suck it, but havent requested/indicated an interest in doing so prior... then its forced regardless of the amount of force (mental/physical/whatever) required to get you to do it.

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RE: "forced" Bi, what's the point? - 11/3/2012 6:14:55 AM

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If I was to have sex with another woman at Master's command (as unlikely as that would be) and I hated every second of it, I don't think that I would label myself 'bi'.

But then again, I try very hard not to put labels on others, so it's a moot point for me.

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RE: "forced" Bi, what's the point? - 11/3/2012 6:37:09 AM

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quote:

another thing it makes me wonder is this; if it's all down to enjoying the experience what would it mean if you had been blindfold, had no idea who the other person playing with you is, and enjoyed what happened. if you cum from this does that make you bi? when the blindfold comes off you can't claim that you didn't enjoy it just because you now know that they were the same gender. therefore it is only your own mind block that tells you you are straight.

Having an arousal reaction to stimulus does not make you bi, or, in the case of rape, not legitimately raped.

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RE: "forced" Bi, what's the point? - 11/3/2012 6:39:27 AM

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The guy paying for "forced bi" is definitly not straight. Its not sucking cock that makes him bi, its the desire to do so. Yoy can suck a hundred cocks and be straight and be a virgin and gay.

The real submissive who has no interest in the opposite sex but does it for his/her owners pleasure is straight.

I dont get off that much watching bi women go at it but watching a straight woman going down on another only to please me? Hot!

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RE: "forced" Bi, what's the point? - 11/3/2012 6:39:45 AM

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This is what I think of for "forced bi."

quote:

"Forced bi" is usually getting to experience all the feel-good stuff about homosexuality, without the guilt and personal responsibility, even if the internal mind game is being played out only on the subconscious level...

quote:

If you call to book a session, and request forced bi.. and then pay extra for it... no matter how much we role play 'force'... you're bi... get over it.

In myotherself's case, I'd leave off the quotes around forced.

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RE: "forced" Bi, what's the point? - 11/3/2012 7:05:41 AM

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quote:

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This is what I think of for "forced bi."

quote:

"Forced bi" is usually getting to experience all the feel-good stuff about homosexuality, without the guilt and personal responsibility, even if the internal mind game is being played out only on the subconscious level...

quote:

If you call to book a session, and request forced bi.. and then pay extra for it... no matter how much we role play 'force'... you're bi... get over it.

In myotherself's case, I'd leave off the quotes around forced.

Yup, that's about it.

I don't go looking for it, having secret dreams about it, trying to find ways to do it without admitting that I want it.

Although maybe in my case the semantics should be a little different. It's not really forced because I could, technically, say no. It's certainly not willing, but I'm struggling to find the right terminology here.

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RE: "forced" Bi, what's the point? - 11/3/2012 7:16:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: E2Sweet

"Forced bi" is usually getting to experience all the feel-good stuff about homosexuality, without the guilt and personal responsibility, even if the internal mind game is being played out only on the subconscious level...

Yep! Plausable denyability, she "MADE ME" so any enjoyment can live without the guilt. Yes I agree in certain people its twice the guilt of pushing a hard limit, but again if it was that hard a limit scene would stop, tears & guilt would flow & gee hope that idea was worth it! So just like regular bi its both/ and

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RE: "forced" Bi, what's the point? - 11/3/2012 7:25:26 AM

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quote:

so come on, what do you all get out of it? what's the point?

and if you are the one being forced, but claiming to be straight while pointing the bi stick at others who say they are straight, why the hell do you do it?

Yay a "forced-bi" thread, I love it.

I agree with you, BUT I have discovered that knowing someone is looking for someone to "force him bi" is a BIG plus for me!

It makes it easier for me to weed all the men in this camp OUT.
Goodbye and goodluck, next.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
When you can eliminate a certain percentage right off the bat, it makes
it easier.

I am the leader of the "forced-straight" movement, I am still waiting for applications.

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RE: "forced" Bi, what's the point? - 11/3/2012 7:27:06 AM

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"Forced bi" is usually getting to experience all the feel-good stuff about homosexuality, without the guilt and personal responsibility, even if the internal mind game is being played out only on the subconscious level...

Thank you Ms. E2Sweet, looking for this activity and begging for it, let's me know that you can't deal with reality.

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