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Politesub53 -> RE: At Least "America is a Racist Country" is now a dead issue (11/7/2012 12:42:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr France, Spain, Italy, Greece & Portugal (and I barely left the Mediterranian rim). One out of five right......Care to try again ?

FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: At Least "America is a Racist Country" is now a dead issue (11/7/2012 12:43:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy The United States of America just REELECTED a black President... Actually, the United States of America just RE-ELECTED a mulato dictator/tyrant... This post has a stink to it.

thompsonx -> RE: At Least "America is a Racist Country" is now a dead issue (11/7/2012 12:46:21 PM)
quote: Why? I gave you some detailed definitions which you promptly ignored (because they didn't support your position). I see no reason to adopt your definition (and interpretation of such) over mine. When you make up definitions to suit your own argument why would anyone accept them? quote: If you think Oblamer isn't out to control segmnents of our commerce, you are truly blind. That is what government is suppose to do. Perhaps you might want to revisit "the federalist papers". They are the documents that pimped the new constitution of the u.s. to the people encourging them to vote in favor of the constitution which replaced the articles of confederation. This is high school history for fucks sake.

stef -> RE: At Least "America is a Racist Country" is now a dead issue (11/7/2012 12:46:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FMRFGOPGAL This post has a stink to it. Consider the source. Is it really that much of a surprise?

fucktoyprincess -> RE: At Least "America is a Racist Country" is now a dead issue (11/7/2012 12:54:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Why? I gave you some detailed definitions which you promptly ignored (because they didn't support your position). I see no reason to adopt your definition (and interpretation of such) over mine. If you think Oblamer isn't out to control segmnents of our commerce, you are truly blind. Peace and comfort, Michael Again, if you want to be accurate, Obama is a social democrat. Not my definition. The definition most theorists would use. Most political theorists in this country (I would argue almost all of them) would not call Obama a "socialist" as that term is used. And if you said Obama was a social democrat, I would whole heartedly agree. And guess what? I am a social democrat, too. I don't have any problem with government collecting taxes and spending them on programs to help its population. But to consider this the same as "socialist" is misunderstanding on your part. And I agree with the other poster who said, yes if we call Obama a socialist, then we can just call the Republicans, Nazis. Again, it doesn't really further the important aspect of the discussion if we all start throwing around terms that make no sense. Calling a social democrat, "socialist" is like saying community service is the same as "communism". You are making a linguistic mistake. But fine, if you want to rant and rave about "socialism" and "socialists" then it is hard to take your comments seriously at all. I don't waste a lot of time worrying about the country having a socialist revolution. In fact, I waste zero time on that concern. But, do I worry that social programs that are helpful might be undermined? Yes. And again, that has nothing to do with being "socialist". I take it your education was entirely private, and that you did not go to public schools. Because public schools are a social program supported by government funds, and would be a classic type of program supported by social democrats. And if you did attend public schools, and also believe everyone should pay for the goods and services they use out of their own pocket, feel free to send the government a check for your K-12 education. Because the concept of public education did not come from capitalism. And guess what. The concept of public education didn't come from socialism either. Again, if you are trying to make a point, using the right terms helps. Otherwise you come off as an extremist no different from someone who calls Romney a "Nazi". Hard to have dialogue with people who feel affixing extreme and inaccurate labels somehow furthers understanding.

DaddySatyr -> RE: At Least "America is a Racist Country" is now a dead issue (11/7/2012 12:57:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess Again, if you want to be accurate, Obama is a social democrat. Not my definition. The definition most theorists would use. Most political theorists in this country (I would argue almost all of them) would not call Obama a "socialist" as that term is used. And if you said Obama was a social democrat, I would whole heartedly agree. And guess what? I am a social democrat, too. I don't have any problem with government collecting taxes and spending them on programs to help its population. But to consider this the same as "socialist" is misunderstanding on your part. And I agree with the other poster who said, yes if we call Obama a socialist, then we can just call the Republicans, Nazis. Again, it doesn't really further the important aspect of the discussion if we all start throwing around terms that make no sense. Calling a social democrat, "socialist" is like saying community service is the same as "communism". You are making a linguistic mistake. But fine, if you want to rant and rave about "socialism" and "socialists" then it is hard to take your comments seriously at all. I don't waste a lot of time worrying about the country having a socialist revolution. In fact, I waste zero time on that concern. But, do I worry that social programs that are helpful might be undermined? Yes. And again, that has nothing to do with being "socialist". I take it your education was entirely private, and that you did not go to public schools. Because public schools are a social program supported by government funds, and would be a classic type of program supported by social democrats. And if you did attend public schools, and also believe everyone should pay for the goods and services they use out of their own pocket, feel free to send the government a check for your K-12 education. Because the concept of public education did not come from capitalism. And guess what. The concept of public education didn't come from socialism either. Again, if you are trying to make a point, using the right terms helps. Otherwise you come off as an extremist no different from someone who calls Romney a "Nazi". Hard to have dialogue with people who feel affixing extreme and inaccurate labels somehow furthers understanding. You can repeat YOUR interpretation all you want. It doesn't make it right. Sorry. I gave you four planks of socialism and showed where Oblamer fits them all. You choose to keep ignoring it. That's fine. I'll treat your drivel the same way. Peace and comfort, Michael

AVegasMaster -> RE: At Least "America is a Racist Country" is now a dead issue (11/7/2012 12:58:09 PM)
Not really.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: At Least "America is a Racist Country" is now a dead issue (11/7/2012 1:06:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx I believe your definition is incomplete in that the people and not the state are the ultimate owners of not only the means of production but also all of the resources of the country and that the state is the administrtor of said resources and production facilities. It is the states function to administer these for the welfare of all of the people of the state. Capitalism is an economic and not a political system. Edward belamy does a credible job of discussing this in his book "looking backward from the year 2000" It was written in 1897. If you would like a link to a free on line copy contact me on cmail. I agree that my definition probably did not go far enough. But the main thrust of my post was simply trying to state that Obama, while a social democrat, is not a "socialist". My point was simply that you can have a country that is capitalist by economy with a democracy for political system that also includes principles of social democracy (such as public education, unemployment insurance, welfare, universal health care, etc.), but that such a political/economic system would not be described as "socialist". I suspect you would not disagree with that assessment. [:)]

tazzygirl -> RE: At Least "America is a Racist Country" is now a dead issue (11/7/2012 1:09:08 PM)
quote: Now, that I've answered your question, please enlighten me how my claim of Ofailure being a socialist paints me as a racist? Am I an anti-socialist? You bet your bippy I am! I say that loudly and proudly. Because he isnt socialist... by any stretch. But to many historians and political scientists — and to actual socialists as well — the persistent claim that Obama is a socialist lacks credence. Terence Ball, a political scientist at Arizona State University, said "socialist' has gained currency as an anti-Obama slur because "the `L' word (liberal) has lost its shock value." "I grow weary of Obama and the Democrats being called socialist," said Ball, who has written about ideologies. "If you talk to any real socialist, they disown them very, very quickly." Full-fledged U.S. socialists are relatively scarce these days — three socialist-oriented presidential candidates received about 21,000 votes among them in 2008. And current socialist leaders don't share the right-wing view that Obama is a fellow traveler. "It makes absolutely no sense," said Greg Pason, national secretary of the Socialist Party USA. Obama's health care overhaul "is anything but socialist. It's bailing out for-profit companies." Yet Pason has been pleased by the "socialist" rhetoric. "We've had an opportunity to talk to people, and that's been a blessing," he said. "People have actually researched socialist organizations." One tidbit they might learn: The Pledge of Allegiance — the epitome of American patriotism — was written in 1892 by a socialist clergyman, Francis Bellamy. http://www.cnbc.com/id/47678760/Is_Obama_a_Socialist

fucktoyprincess -> RE: At Least "America is a Racist Country" is now a dead issue (11/7/2012 1:15:28 PM)
No. Your definition is your definition. I know of no political theorist who uses your definition. The definition I am using is the one used by most political theorists. I don't lay claim to it. I certainly didn't come up with it. You, on the other hand, are just making stuff up. Again, you don't believe in things like public education. Fine. You are entitled to your political opinion. And people who think like you have lost this election to people who think like me and who voted for the half-black man. Hope this makes you feel better. (btw, the fact that you can't see that I am actually trying to help you make your legitimate points is extremely interesting and very telling. You would seriously get more mileage by using the right terminology. You would then force people to actually engage in the ideas that I think you are trying to convey, instead of sounding plain ignorant. But hey, obviously you're not interested in having people understand your position on economics and politics. You just want to rant about Obama being a "socialist". Laughable. And that's why no one here is taking you seriously. So you might want to step back and ask yourself if your inaccurate rant is worth it. Wouldn't you be better off saying he is a social democrat and arguing about why government shouldn't spend on such programs? Isn't that the real point you want to make? This makes it quite clear to me why you and people like you were on the losing side this year. If you won't even try to make your arguments correct, then how will people listen? Less extreme rhetoric and more substance. It works, trust me.)

fucktoyprincess -> RE: At Least "America is a Racist Country" is now a dead issue (11/7/2012 1:21:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Full-fledged U.S. socialists are relatively scarce these days — three socialist-oriented presidential candidates received about 21,000 votes among them in 2008. And current socialist leaders don't share the right-wing view that Obama is a fellow traveler. "It makes absolutely no sense," said Greg Pason, national secretary of the Socialist Party USA. Obama's health care overhaul "is anything but socialist. It's bailing out for-profit companies." You have to love this. Obama. Too right wing capitalist to be accepted by socialists. YES. Exactly. Because as tazzy correctly points out, Obama is NOT "socialist". I bet now DaddySatyr will start arguing that the Socialist party doesn't know what socialism is. My oh my. [&:]

DaddySatyr -> RE: At Least "America is a Racist Country" is now a dead issue (11/7/2012 1:24:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess I bet now DaddySatyr will start arguing that the Socialist party doesn't know what socialism is. My oh my. [&:] I bet I won't. Neither will I watch as you try to paint me into positions I don't espouse. We're done, here, "ma'aM"

Winterapple -> RE: At Least "America is a Racist Country" is now a dead issue (11/7/2012 1:31:38 PM)
FR The nation as a whole isn't racist but there are segments of the white population who feel terribly, terribly put upon. They're paranoid fuckers to boot. Race has been a factor in this country from the very beginning, when the white guys showed up it was game on. It's disingenious to say otherwise. Or ignorant. Taking steps in the right direction is good but the journey is not the destination.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: At Least "America is a Racist Country" is now a dead issue (11/7/2012 1:40:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess I bet now DaddySatyr will start arguing that the Socialist party doesn't know what socialism is. My oh my. [&:] I bet I won't. Neither will I watch as you try to paint me into positions I don't espouse. We're done, here, "ma'aM" I understand that you are upset that the half-black social democrat won. But welcome to the new reality. Adapt or die. Politically speaking that is. [:D]

Politesub53 -> RE: At Least "America is a Racist Country" is now a dead issue (11/7/2012 1:41:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr France, Spain, Italy, Greece & Portugal (and I barely left the Mediterranian rim). One out of five right......Care to try again ? Yes ? ....No ?

fucktoyprincess -> RE: At Least "America is a Racist Country" is now a dead issue (11/7/2012 1:46:33 PM)
I think he's done....for now....[:D]

Lucylastic -> RE: At Least "America is a Racist Country" is now a dead issue (11/7/2012 1:50:46 PM)
Nice try FTP:) but falling on stony ground IM afraid... maybe you can join us ignored ladies:) we have Orgasms(not just cookies) [:)]

fucktoyprincess -> RE: At Least "America is a Racist Country" is now a dead issue (11/7/2012 1:57:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Nice try FTP:) but falling on stony ground IM afraid... maybe you can join us ignored ladies:) we have Orgasms(not just cookies) [:)] Meaning DaddySatyr is not yet done? (I was responding to PoliteSub)....

stef -> RE: At Least "America is a Racist Country" is now a dead issue (11/7/2012 2:00:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess Meaning DaddySatyr is not yet done? (I was responding to PoliteSub).... He'll never be "done." Take that however you like.

Owner59 -> RE: At Least "America is a Racist Country" is now a dead issue (11/7/2012 2:02:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess Again, if you want to be accurate, Obama is a social democrat. Not my definition. The definition most theorists would use. Most political theorists in this country (I would argue almost all of them) would not call Obama a "socialist" as that term is used. And if you said Obama was a social democrat, I would whole heartedly agree. And guess what? I am a social democrat, too. I don't have any problem with government collecting taxes and spending them on programs to help its population. But to consider this the same as "socialist" is misunderstanding on your part. And I agree with the other poster who said, yes if we call Obama a socialist, then we can just call the Republicans, Nazis. Again, it doesn't really further the important aspect of the discussion if we all start throwing around terms that make no sense. Calling a social democrat, "socialist" is like saying community service is the same as "communism". You are making a linguistic mistake. But fine, if you want to rant and rave about "socialism" and "socialists" then it is hard to take your comments seriously at all. I don't waste a lot of time worrying about the country having a socialist revolution. In fact, I waste zero time on that concern. But, do I worry that social programs that are helpful might be undermined? Yes. And again, that has nothing to do with being "socialist". I take it your education was entirely private, and that you did not go to public schools. Because public schools are a social program supported by government funds, and would be a classic type of program supported by social democrats. And if you did attend public schools, and also believe everyone should pay for the goods and services they use out of their own pocket, feel free to send the government a check for your K-12 education. Because the concept of public education did not come from capitalism. And guess what. The concept of public education didn't come from socialism either. Again, if you are trying to make a point, using the right terms helps. Otherwise you come off as an extremist no different from someone who calls Romney a "Nazi". Hard to have dialogue with people who feel affixing extreme and inaccurate labels somehow furthers understanding. You can repeat YOUR interpretation all you want. It doesn't make it right. Sorry. I gave you four planks of socialism and showed where Oblamer fits them all. You choose to keep ignoring it. That's fine. I'll treat your drivel the same way. Peace and comfort, Michael Abusing the English language dosn`t make you right either..... Neither does playing make pretend that 4 + 4 aren`t 8.....if you don`t want it to..... The President`s policies were on the table and they were reaffirmed by vote. Mitt and the frightened children were rejected.....

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