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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/30/2012 7:47:56 PM

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Yeah.... its BRANDS.

Not it's workforce or even its equipment.

And not all those brand will sell. Many brands will be bought and shelved. Many more will be bought by non union companies.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/30/2012 8:01:14 PM

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Think things through kiddo....you have a great brain.

You just don't use it.

I think you've used up your allotment of irony for 2012.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/30/2012 8:14:20 PM

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Yeah.... its BRANDS.

Not it's workforce or even its equipment.

And not all those brand will sell. Many brands will be bought and shelved. Many more will be bought by non union companies.

lol.. shelve the Twinkie? That I gotta see!

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/30/2012 8:16:02 PM

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I do have a great brain. I use it wisely. I also find great enjoyment watching people, who should know better by now, textually hang themselves.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/30/2012 8:36:27 PM

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Yeah.... its BRANDS.

Not it's workforce or even its equipment.

And not all those brand will sell. Many brands will be bought and shelved. Many more will be bought by non union companies.

lol.. shelve the Twinkie? That I gotta see!

They made more than Twinkies. They have a number of breadlines for instance that directly compete with other food companies. In fact they owned far more bread line products then snack cakes lines.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/30/2012 8:39:47 PM

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Which have their own nitch in the market many will find impossible to give up.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/30/2012 8:46:51 PM

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You still think the Magic Baking Fairy is going to swoop in and hire 18,500 people and pay them more money with better benefits don't you?

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/30/2012 8:47:29 PM

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Did I say that?

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/3/2012 5:14:44 PM

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Did I say that?

You wanted to....admit....go on...say it....come on!!!!!!! You know you do....

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/4/2012 1:07:55 PM

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Perhaps you should tell us what the word median means.

Or perhaps you could tells how $32K with benefits (before overtime) for an less than high school, no experience needed job constitutes slavery?

The Hostess Bakers are (oops) were not pastry chefs or artisan bakers.

BTW "less than high school" and "no experience needed" are the Bureau of Labor Statistics words not mine. I am sure Hostess had an on the job training program for its bakers and it probably took up to 5 years to make a full Union Wage.

The above is self contradictory. Five years to make full union wage is by definition not "no experience needed".

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Finally one only need click on median on the BLS to understand what it means but since you did not seem to I will give you that definition:

"The wage at which half of the workers in the occupation earned more than that amount and half earned less. Median wage data are from the BLS Occupational Employment Statistics survey."

$32k with benefits (before overtime) likely put a Hostess Baker in the upper third of said scale

1001 workers,
500 make 100k per year,
1 makes $23k per year,
500 make $10k per year,
median income $23k
now you can see how bullshit you arguement is.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/4/2012 1:11:09 PM

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Yeah, looks like I reversed the numbers for the additional they're willing to pay for H1B's (10K) and green cards (15K)...regardless....it's a gigantic jump from what they're paying now (8 - 10 x's) and they're doing it because they can't find qualified people here.
As has been pointed out to you several times now there is no shortage of american citizens available to fill these jobs just a shortage of american citizens willing to work for what gates & co. are willing to pay. If a programer makes 100k per year and your buddy bill can pay an h1b guy 45K + a one time 15K bonus that saves your buddy bill about 315k per programer for the six year h1b period.
In an earlier post you said there should be no upper limit on how much money a person could be paid but here you are seeking government interference to limit how much money an american citizen is allowed to make.

hey....I fucked up....chill....I reversed the numbers....Msft is willing to pay 10K for an H1B visa.....and 15K for a green card....get a life. Oooops....sorry.

It's still light years beyond what they've been paying and they're stepping up to the plate.

Offering more still and....they still pay the same for a local guy vs an international guy.

(get a clue).

(And....Msft is paying the same for an Indian engineer as they are paying for an American....there just aren't enough Americans. Sign in Thompson....play the game we're all playing... get a clue).

If a programer makes 100k per year and your buddy bill can pay an h1b guy 45K + a one time 15K bonus that saves your buddy bill about 315k per programer for the six year h1b period.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/4/2012 1:22:05 PM

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Everyone keeps blaming the unions for this, but do not think the companies debt from the last bankruptcy orf sales bottoming out had anything to do it. From Fortune 500

But the company was dead wrong. Its debt sowed the very seeds of the next bankruptcy. Looking back on the decision to reinvest in Hostess in the first bankruptcy, one of the lenders now says, "If you look in the dictionary at the definition of throwing good money after bad, there should be a picture of Hostess beside it."

By late 2011, Hostess was getting, well, creamed. Its sales last year -- $2.5 billion -- were down about 11% from 2008 and down 28% from 2004. (Twinkies remain the best individual seller -- 323 million of them in the 52-week period ending June 29, give or take a splurt.) Overall, Hostess lost $341 million in fiscal 2011, 2½ times the loss of the prior year -- and by early 2012, primarily because of burgeoning interest obligations, its debt had grown to about $860 million.

As revenue declined, the company continued to burn cash -- in the second half of 2011, the rate was $2 million a week. The liquidity crunch forced Ripplewood in the early spring of 2011 to pump in $40 million more in return for more equity as well as debt that was subordinate to that held by Silver Point and Monarch. In August -- to save a company teetering on the edge of fiscal calamity and forced liquidation -- Silver Point, Monarch, and the group of other lenders put up an additional $30 million to see if a negotiated turnaround was possible.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/4/2012 4:11:56 PM

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You know... I still don't know what all the libs are up in arms about here. Let's look at the collective stupidity of the Democratic Parties current ideology.

- Obesity is bad. Everyone from Moochelle to Bloomberg wants to get rid of sugary snacks. This is certainly a step in the right direction according to the leftist food Nazi's, so lets score the reduction in sugary snacks a win for liberalism.

- According to Nancy Pelousy, unemployment is a good thing. Now 18,500 workers will have the time and opportunity to read a book, or learn to paint. Another win for the Dems.

- Welfare: For every $1 that the ex-Hostess union drones get in food aid, or other welfare, the Dumbocrats believe that $1.10 (hmmm.... it used to be $1.25...) will go back into the economy. If that sort of idiot math had any basis in reality, then it would be the patriotic duty of every American to quit our jobs and let the government take care of us all. According to these ridiculous halfwits, another 18,500 people sucking on the government tit is a boon to our economy, and therefore, a win.

Let's not kid ourselves. I bet if anyone bothered to check, this Bakers Union donated heavily to the DNC. These are the things the union bosses believe in. These are the beliefs that union workers support indirectly by joining unions and allowing their dues to be funneled into the pockets of liberal politicians. Personally, I think that libs in every corner of America should thank the Hostess execs for closing shop and giving these 18,500 citizens the chance to live their version of the American dream. It doesn't matter why they closed their doors. The end result is the same. 18,500 people are now getting the opportunity to live their dreams, and isn't that also a win?

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/4/2012 4:53:33 PM

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Yeah, looks like I reversed the numbers for the additional they're willing to pay for H1B's (10K) and green cards (15K)...regardless....it's a gigantic jump from what they're paying now (8 - 10 x's) and they're doing it because they can't find qualified people here.
As has been pointed out to you several times now there is no shortage of american citizens available to fill these jobs just a shortage of american citizens willing to work for what gates & co. are willing to pay. If a programer makes 100k per year and your buddy bill can pay an h1b guy 45K + a one time 15K bonus that saves your buddy bill about 315k per programer for the six year h1b period.
In an earlier post you said there should be no upper limit on how much money a person could be paid but here you are seeking government interference to limit how much money an american citizen is allowed to make.

hey....I fucked up....chill....I reversed the numbers....Msft is willing to pay 10K for an H1B visa.....and 15K for a green card....get a life. Oooops....sorry.

It's still light years beyond what they've been paying and they're stepping up to the plate.

Offering more still and....they still pay the same for a local guy vs an international guy.

(get a clue).

(And....Msft is paying the same for an Indian engineer as they are paying for an American....there just aren't enough Americans. Sign in Thompson....play the game we're all playing... get a clue).

If a programer makes 100k per year and your buddy bill can pay an h1b guy 45K + a one time 15K bonus that saves your buddy bill about 315k per programer for the six year h1b period.

Well, that'd be true....if they did that.

(But they don't).

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/4/2012 8:40:20 PM

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You know... I still don't know what all the libs are up in arms about here. Let's look at the collective stupidity of the Democratic Parties current ideology.

- Obesity is bad. Everyone from Moochelle to Bloomberg wants to get rid of sugary snacks. This is certainly a step in the right direction according to the leftist food Nazi's, so lets score the reduction in sugary snacks a win for liberalism.

- According to Nancy Pelousy, unemployment is a good thing. Now 18,500 workers will have the time and opportunity to read a book, or learn to paint. Another win for the Dems.

- Welfare: For every $1 that the ex-Hostess union drones get in food aid, or other welfare, the Dumbocrats believe that $1.10 (hmmm.... it used to be $1.25...) will go back into the economy. If that sort of idiot math had any basis in reality, then it would be the patriotic duty of every American to quit our jobs and let the government take care of us all. According to these ridiculous halfwits, another 18,500 people sucking on the government tit is a boon to our economy, and therefore, a win.

Let's not kid ourselves. I bet if anyone bothered to check, this Bakers Union donated heavily to the DNC. These are the things the union bosses believe in. These are the beliefs that union workers support indirectly by joining unions and allowing their dues to be funneled into the pockets of liberal politicians. Personally, I think that libs in every corner of America should thank the Hostess execs for closing shop and giving these 18,500 citizens the chance to live their version of the American dream. It doesn't matter why they closed their doors. The end result is the same. 18,500 people are now getting the opportunity to live their dreams, and isn't that also a win?

-SD-

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Do you have anything resenbling a cite for any of your claims or are you just posting your usual made up asswipe?

I especially love this "Edited for clarity" What a fucking JOKE

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/4/2012 9:11:54 PM

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I bet if anyone bothered to check, this Bakers Union donated heavily to the DNC.

I looked... no donations noted.

BCTGM

Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers' International Union

None... as opposed to the Teamsters....

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/search.php?cid=N00009638&name=%28all%29&employ=teamsters&state=%28all%29&zip=%28any+zip%29&submit=OK&amt=a&sort=A

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/5/2012 2:17:38 AM

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Do you have anything resenbling a cite for any of your claims or are you just posting your usual made up asswipe?

Trying to masquerade as an informed adult by hurling insults again? None of this is news. Well, apparently not to anyone except you and the other useful idiots that keep electing these buffoons.

Moochelle on school lunches...

...and what happened when she took up the cause?

Bloomberg just keeps banning things left and right.

Good Job Food Nazi's!

Here's Pelousy claiming that unemployment creates jobs and that the economy gets $2 out of every $1 spent on unemployment.

Food stamps and unemployment are "The biggest bang for your buck" to stimulate the economy...

Obamacare means you can follow your aspirations...

She's been spouting this bullshit for years. However, I admit I was wrong when I low-balled the amounts she claims they will stimulate the economy. She's actually much stupider than I gave her credit for. My bad...

Tazzy claims she checked on the political contributions of the Bakers union and found nothing. It took me about 30 seconds to locate a watchdog group and find a basic overview of where they were making their political donations. Additionally they spent $75,000 lobbying and on unspecified political activities.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/5/2012 3:39:58 AM

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You know... I still don't know what all the libs are up in arms about here. Let's look at the collective stupidity of the Democratic Parties current ideology.

- Obesity is bad. Everyone from Moochelle to Bloomberg wants to get rid of sugary snacks. This is certainly a step in the right direction according to the leftist food Nazi's, so lets score the reduction in sugary snacks a win for liberalism.

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ONE....so what you mean is a (singular)First Lady is trying to do something about eating healthy food...
REMEMBER WHO STARTED, "just say no"? HOWD THAT WORK OUT FOR YA?????
TWO.... Bloomberg in NY has banned sugary drink sover 15 0z at a sitting
how is that your claim that all libs are doing it...Or even any majority of liberals or even democrats,
edited for clarity, is not the dictionary version, have you been using the pop up version again????

Please check oxford english dictionary for the CORRECT definitions of the UNDERLINED words I selected for you

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/5/2012 5:20:59 AM

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Yeah, looks like I reversed the numbers for the additional they're willing to pay for H1B's (10K) and green cards (15K)...regardless....it's a gigantic jump from what they're paying now (8 - 10 x's) and they're doing it because they can't find qualified people here.
As has been pointed out to you several times now there is no shortage of american citizens available to fill these jobs just a shortage of american citizens willing to work for what gates & co. are willing to pay. If a programer makes 100k per year and your buddy bill can pay an h1b guy 45K + a one time 15K bonus that saves your buddy bill about 315k per programer for the six year h1b period.
In an earlier post you said there should be no upper limit on how much money a person could be paid but here you are seeking government interference to limit how much money an american citizen is allowed to make.

hey....I fucked up....chill....I reversed the numbers....Msft is willing to pay 10K for an H1B visa.....and 15K for a green card....get a life. Oooops....sorry.

It's still light years beyond what they've been paying and they're stepping up to the plate.

Offering more still and....they still pay the same for a local guy vs an international guy.

(get a clue).

(And....Msft is paying the same for an Indian engineer as they are paying for an American....there just aren't enough Americans. Sign in Thompson....play the game we're all playing... get a clue).

If a programer makes 100k per year and your buddy bill can pay an h1b guy 45K + a one time 15K bonus that saves your buddy bill about 315k per programer for the six year h1b period.

Well, that'd be true....if they did that.

(But they don't).

The links you posted say it is true...so go argue with yourself and stop wasting bandwidth

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/5/2012 5:24:56 AM

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Look, if it is for the greater glory of the union and to fill the pockets of union bosses, the left smiles winks and applauds! They funnel money into the democrat party so everybody is happy! Of course, if you are a poor schmuck union worker who is getting fleeced, not so good, but toughen up buddy! Don't complain or somebody's gonna get hurt! The big shots will take care of you, like they have in the past! Of course, if you believe that, well you'll vote for obama AGAIn.. oh wait, you did that already! Hey, why not just empty your bank account and send it in?

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