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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/5/2012 5:34:50 AM   
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Tazzy claims she checked on the political contributions of the Bakers union and found nothing. It took me about 30 seconds to locate a watchdog group and find a basic overview of where they were making their political donations. Additionally they spent $75,000 lobbying and on unspecified political activities.


Bakery, Confectionery & Tobacco Workers $36,984.00

http://unionfacts.com/pol/Barack_Obama_D/N00009638

Bakery, Confectionery & Tobacco Workers (problem was I was plugging in Bakers and not Bakery)

CONTRIBUTIONS

$133,200 ranks 2,247 of 20,484

LOBBYING $0 (2012) $0 (2011)


http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000024236

Your source, while it did lead me to the truth, is extremely biased. Opensecrets has no such bias.

In case you were wondering...


Bakery & Confectionery Workers Local 19 Summary

Contributions from this PAC to federal candidates (list recipients)
(100% to Democrats, 0% to Republicans) $1,200

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00249359&cycle=2012

Kucinich, Dennis (D-OH) $1,200

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00249359&cycle=2012

http://images.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?C00127621

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cycle=2012&cmte=C00127621

And, again, no where can I find they sent money to Obama. Not even the PAC. So, yet again, I really have to question your source.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/5/2012 5:46:52 AM   
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Do you have anything resenbling a cite for any of your claims or are you just posting your usual made up asswipe?


Trying to masquerade as an informed adult by hurling insults again? None of this is news. Well, apparently not to anyone except you and the other useful idiots that keep electing these buffoons.

Moochelle on school lunches...

...and what happened when she took up the cause?

Bloomberg just keeps banning things left and right.

Good Job Food Nazi's!

Here's Pelousy claiming that unemployment creates jobs and that the economy gets $2 out of every $1 spent on unemployment.

Food stamps and unemployment are "The biggest bang for your buck" to stimulate the economy...

Obamacare means you can follow your aspirations...

She's been spouting this bullshit for years. However, I admit I was wrong when I low-balled the amounts she claims they will stimulate the economy. She's actually much stupider than I gave her credit for. My bad...

Tazzy claims she checked on the political contributions of the Bakers union and found nothing. It took me about 30 seconds to locate a watchdog group and find a basic overview of where they were making their political donations. Additionally they spent $75,000 lobbying and on unspecified political activities.

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Links 1 and 2. Are you saying that school lunches need to keep being pizza and chips so the little fat fucks can keep getting fatter?
Oh yeah, let's let the little WoW playing fat asses DEMAND that we feed em more lard every day. They aren't in charge. Give em healthy food and if they don't like it, tough shit. More damn parents need to do that as well.
Link 3. Bloomie is an Independent, remember?
Link 4. It's just as stupid as "Supply side economics" and for exactly the same reasons.
Link 5. that's not what it said. You might want some comprehension to do with your whine this morning.
Link 6. Nicely cherrypicked but showing that Pelosi doesnt even know what she got passed. Have I ever said anything in support of that idiot?

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/5/2012 6:47:19 AM   
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CITI going to cut 11K jobs.

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Due to this repositioning, Citi expects to record pre-tax charges of approximately $1 billion in the fourth quarter of 2012 and approximately $100 million of related charges in the first half of 2013. Citi currently expects that the repositioning will generate $900 million of expense savings benefitting 2013 results and that the annual expense savings will exceed $1.1 billion annually beginning in 2014. Citi also expects the repositioning actions to have a negative impact on annual revenues of less than $300 million. These actions will result in a reduction of more than 11,000 positions.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/5/2012 6:50:08 AM   
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CITI going to cut 11K jobs.

Merry Christmas


Due to this repositioning, Citi expects to record pre-tax charges of approximately $1 billion in the fourth quarter of 2012 and approximately $100 million of related charges in the first half of 2013. Citi currently expects that the repositioning will generate $900 million of expense savings benefitting 2013 results and that the annual expense savings will exceed $1.1 billion annually beginning in 2014. Citi also expects the repositioning actions to have a negative impact on annual revenues of less than $300 million. These actions will result in a reduction of more than 11,000 positions.

What has that to do with the topic? Is it a strike? Is Citi Union? Is there a shred of evidence that they just decided to do this in the last 4 weeks?
Enquiring minds want to know.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/5/2012 7:08:41 AM   
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The big job cut is the first big move by Michael Corbatt, Citigroup’s new chief executive who surprisingly took over the top job from Vikram Pandit in October, in a coup engineered by Citigroup’s chairman Michael O’Neill.


Just a new Sheriff in town.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/5/2012 7:34:40 AM   
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Though it is interesting how the conservative news and corp news is calling it a "global" job reduction when the jobs are in the USA

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/5/2012 8:24:47 AM   
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Well, it's nice for the owners to be able to get some benefit from hiding their assets where the taxman can't get at them, I suppose.


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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/5/2012 1:42:55 PM   
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Im guessing all job losses are now Obamas and the unions fault.
Not greed or mismanagement.
There really is not going to be an end to the stupidness from the right, is there


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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/5/2012 1:44:06 PM   
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Nope. It's going to be particularly good fun when the next budget gets "negotiated"...

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/5/2012 2:09:59 PM   
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Hmmmm..no unions who will you blame this on??? Even though WS states that the probem with Hostes was the interest on the loans the MAN AGENT took out...so deny facts and explian a NON union work place \\

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/12/05/1285501/citigroup-jobs-bonuses/

Never mind FACTS in Hostess, ...debt from deals then could not meet, lack of sales....huge lack of sales,,,cause the guy on the bread line is selling to other corp CEO about space on the shelf....

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/5/2012 7:03:56 PM   
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Yeah, looks like I reversed the numbers for the additional they're willing to pay for H1B's (10K) and green cards (15K)...regardless....it's a gigantic jump from what they're paying now (8 - 10 x's) and they're doing it because they can't find qualified people here.
As has been pointed out to you several times now there is no shortage of american citizens available to fill these jobs just a shortage of american citizens willing to work for what gates & co. are willing to pay. If a programer makes 100k per year and your buddy bill can pay an h1b guy 45K + a one time 15K bonus that saves your buddy bill about 315k per programer for the six year h1b period.
In an earlier post you said there should be no upper limit on how much money a person could be paid but here you are seeking government interference to limit how much money an american citizen is allowed to make.



hey....I fucked up....chill....I reversed the numbers....Msft is willing to pay 10K for an H1B visa.....and 15K for a green card....get a life. Oooops....sorry.

It's still light years beyond what they've been paying and they're stepping up to the plate.

Offering more still and....they still pay the same for a local guy vs an international guy.

(get a clue).

(And....Msft is paying the same for an Indian engineer as they are paying for an American....there just aren't enough Americans. Sign in Thompson....play the game we're all playing... get a clue).



If a programer makes 100k per year and your buddy bill can pay an h1b guy 45K + a one time 15K bonus that saves your buddy bill about 315k per programer for the six year h1b period.



Well, that'd be true....if they did that.

(But they don't).

The links you posted say it is true...so go argue with yourself and stop wasting bandwidth


I'm sorry, I'm a little slow sometimes...where exactly did I say that Microsoft pays international or foreign workers in the United States less than they pay American workers? Hell....even in INDIA, Microsoft pays 50 to 100% more than others do for the same job in that country....but in the U.S. (again so you can grasp the point Thompson), for similar skills, Microsoft pays the same to an Indian, Pakistani, Russian or any other programmer or software developer as they do to an American.

At the level of skill Microsoft is looking to hire at, and pay 100 - 150K a year for....they don't make enough of them here.

If Microsoft wanted to train people to do the job they're looking to hire for, they'd open a school, charge for the classes and pay these folks 40K a year while they learned (while paying a Pakistani 150K because he actually showed up ready to go to work) and then you'd bitch because a "foreigner is making more than Americans doing the same job!!!"

(Which of course wouldn't be true for even 11 seconds....he'd be getting paid less because he was doing the same job at 1/4 the speed as the Pakistani or Russian or Lithuanian or Irish....the rate of people graduating from Masters levels and even MBA levels with science and math as their stronghold has been falling every year since 1983...and that dear Thompson, is why Microsoft is willing and unbelievably eager to pay not only the same wages to an outsider as one from within our shores, they are even willing to pay these additional fees to keep them here, while not altering the foreigners pay one penny).

You need to figure out which side of the argument you want to remain on Thompson...flip flopping around the edges with data that is provably faulty is a waste of your typing skills and my and others reading time.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/6/2012 4:50:31 AM   
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I'm sorry, I'm a little slow sometimes...


That is painfully obvious every tme you post.

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where exactly did I say that Microsoft pays international or foreign workers in the United States less than they pay American workers?


Please try to keep up. The issue is that your buddy bill wants to hire h1b labor to avoid paying u.s. citizens the going rate by claiming that there are not any qualified u.s. workers. The truth is that there are plenty of u.s. workers just none at the wage that your buddy bill pays h1b labor...this has been stated numerous times and you seem incapable of comprehending the most basic of sentence structure...stop wasting bandwidth by filling your post with this puerile nonsense.



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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/6/2012 5:58:37 AM   
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where exactly did I say that Microsoft pays international or foreign workers in the United States less than they pay American workers?

Please try to keep up. The issue is that your buddy bill wants to hire h1b labor to avoid paying u.s. citizens the going rate by claiming that there are not any qualified u.s. workers. The truth is that there are plenty of u.s. workers just none at the wage that your buddy bill pays h1b labor...this has been stated numerous times and you seem incapable of comprehending the most basic of sentence structure...stop wasting bandwidth by filling your post with this puerile nonsense.


I guess I'm just not seeing the issue. If Microsoft can save money by paying to have cheaper labor, what's the problem? US workers don't think the pay is high enough? They have their say by not taking the job. They don't have a right to complain that Microsoft isn't paying enough. That's not their call. And, when Microsoft says there aren't any qualified US workers, isn't it assumed that it means, "at this price?" There may be qualified workers, but they aren't willing to work for the low pay, and the employer isn't willing to pay more than the offer. Something has to break, and it ends up with the employer finding a compromise solution.

Or is this more of an "anti-immigrant" rant?


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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/6/2012 7:12:49 AM   
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Then the problem is, that Microsoft might want to move to india, and not have the protections of the american people.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/6/2012 5:12:47 PM   
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I'm sorry, I'm a little slow sometimes...


That is painfully obvious every tme you post.

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where exactly did I say that Microsoft pays international or foreign workers in the United States less than they pay American workers?


Please try to keep up. The issue is that your buddy bill wants to hire h1b labor to avoid paying u.s. citizens the going rate by claiming that there are not any qualified u.s. workers. The truth is that there are plenty of u.s. workers just none at the wage that your buddy bill pays h1b labor...this has been stated numerous times and you seem incapable of comprehending the most basic of sentence structure...stop wasting bandwidth by filling your post with this puerile nonsense.





Do tell Thompson....everyone here wants the stats every time I post something they find objectionable.

Please provide the stats that Microsoft (or others) are paying foreigners less than American citizens for the same (computer related) job.

Step up Thompson....show your worth.

Let's see what you got bub.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/6/2012 5:32:54 PM   
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where exactly did I say that Microsoft pays international or foreign workers in the United States less than they pay American workers?

Please try to keep up. The issue is that your buddy bill wants to hire h1b labor to avoid paying u.s. citizens the going rate by claiming that there are not any qualified u.s. workers. The truth is that there are plenty of u.s. workers just none at the wage that your buddy bill pays h1b labor...this has been stated numerous times and you seem incapable of comprehending the most basic of sentence structure...stop wasting bandwidth by filling your post with this puerile nonsense.


I guess I'm just not seeing the issue. If Microsoft can save money by paying to have cheaper labor, what's the problem? US workers don't think the pay is high enough? They have their say by not taking the job. They don't have a right to complain that Microsoft isn't paying enough. That's not their call. And, when Microsoft says there aren't any qualified US workers, isn't it assumed that it means, "at this price?" There may be qualified workers, but they aren't willing to work for the low pay, and the employer isn't willing to pay more than the offer. Something has to break, and it ends up with the employer finding a compromise solution.

Or is this more of an "anti-immigrant" rant?



But...and truthfully Des...if Microsoft indeed paid less (and of course, anyone with an IQ above potato slices knows, they don't)...and they're desperate to bring Indians, Russians, etc., here...knowing that they (Microsoft) have more money than J.C. himself, JUST SO they could pay them less....knowing that IN INDIA...it's already well known, they can pay the same guy, with skills (or gal) $4,000.00 a year (which is double what they pay in the big city in Mumbai....and 73 times what an average Mumbia'n makes)...further, knowing that Microsoft makes enough money each day to afford their own satellite (and the accoutrement costs of sending the data throughout the world...to the smallest dish in the smallest village....anywhere on the planet)....why would they even give a shit about bringing some Indian here to Redmond Washington?

I mean really....if you think about it....Microsoft probably already has their own satellite network (Hell...Bill invested personally, 2 billion in "Iridium", now there's multiples of ways to get data back and forth at fractions of pennies on the dollar)...in the end...why would they have any desire to bring people to the Redmond campus for $120,000 average salary, when they could leave them in shit hole hovels in India for $4,000.00?

jeebus man...a laptop worth 700 bucks is worth 9 kabillion dollars to these folks in their home town. They got a damned town pump for water!

Fuck man...Microsoft could afford solar panels to feed 500 people with electrons for what it cost for ONE 4K Mumbai science/math guy...and it'd pay off in 4 months...but they keep bringing them here at 120K a year. Why the fuck would they do THAT?

Because people like Thompson simply haven't a clue as to markets or business.

It's this simple: Why would they bring them here....even for 50K a year when they could leave them in Aslamabad for 4K?

It's a damn good question.

Hey Thompson
....get your foot out of your mouth long enough to a) answer the basic question and b) provide some links as to where Microsoft is paying slave wages.

Clue store is open....I'll hold the door for you.

What do you think the logic is Thompson? Why would Microsoft pay ANYTHING above $4,000.00 a year to have an Indian or Russian come here in the U.S. as opposed to paying them (even some lesser amount than) $120,000.00 a year, housing, etc.?

What do you think bud?

Wouldn't it be (logically) much cheaper to leave them there, in their own country...pay them (even) 1/30th what they'd make in their own country?

No, of course you're right Thompson....you're a freaking business genius.

I bow down to you.

I wish you (and Taz) ran my companies.

Come on Thompson....do it...prove it....tell us how brilliant you are.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/6/2012 5:40:21 PM   
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Dude.. quit begging. Its never gonna happen between me and you.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/6/2012 5:42:18 PM   
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Dude.. quit begging. Its never gonna happen between me and you.


You know I want you.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/6/2012 5:42:47 PM   
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I know... and its down right embarrassing.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/6/2012 5:44:32 PM   
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I know... and its down right embarrassing.


Do me.

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