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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/6/2012 5:47:50 PM   
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Dude.. quit begging. Its never gonna happen between me and you.


It will if he hits you with a couple giggedy giggedy's.


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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/6/2012 6:10:29 PM   
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If only you had something to "do".

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/6/2012 6:12:58 PM   
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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/6/2012 6:26:42 PM   
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If only you had something to "do".


That's one of the many benefits of being on SNAP.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/6/2012 8:34:55 PM   
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Planes flying high tonight, huh.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/7/2012 4:58:41 PM   
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Planes flying high tonight, huh.


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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/7/2012 6:35:08 PM   
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Yeah, in your world, they are.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/12/2012 10:58:31 AM   
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To get back on topic, Hostess blamed the Union and the pension fund for the reason for it's 2nd bankruptcy. However Hostess just announced the other day, though they failed to mention it to the Judge during the hearing...that

in fact the main reason the pension fund is causing a problem for the company is because the "company" took money for the pension fund from employes paycheck, however they "diverted" the funds and did not actually put the money in the pension fund. The Union in one of the reason it went on strike was to have the pension fund funded by the money the company already collected but failed put in the fund and to mention in either bankruptcy the money was "diverted"

and it appears No one knows what happened to the money "Hostess Brands acknowledged for the first time in a news report Monday that the company diverted workers' pension money for other company uses.

The bankrupt baker told The Wall Street Journal that money taken out of workers' paychecks, intended for their retirement funds, was used for company operations instead. Hostess, which was under different management at the time the diversions began in August 2011, said it does not know how much money it took.

"It's not a good situation to have," Hostess CEO Gregory Rayburn told the WSJ. "




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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/12/2012 11:15:17 AM   
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Might also interest some to know .........

The Bakery & Confectionary Union & Industry International Pension Fund, the largest fund covering Hostess bakers, was 72% funded when Hostess stopped making contributions, the company said.

Teamster-represented employees at Hostess didn't contribute a portion of their wages toward pensions, a union spokesman said. But among workers in the bakers union, it was "standard practice," said Mr. Rayburn, Hostess's CEO.


Sorta answers the questions of why the Bakers Union did what it did.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/12/2012 1:41:44 PM   
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And now they have nothing

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/12/2012 1:44:19 PM   
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lol... they were being ripped off.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/12/2012 4:33:27 PM   
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But they had something and a chance to save everything down the line.... something the Teamsters understood and something the non union labor force were counting on.

Now they have nothing.


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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/12/2012 5:18:09 PM   
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But they had something and a chance to save everything down the line.... something the Teamsters understood and something the non union labor force were counting on.


There was no chance to save anything. The Company was taking money from the employees... although it seems legally they could do so. For over a year the company had not paid into that fund. Now, they took money out to close.

The Teamsters had no bone in that part of the fight. The company wasnt taking their money.

And you wonder why these people were mad enough to strike?

How long do you allow someone to steal from you?

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/13/2012 6:14:09 AM   
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So your employer can take money from you, lie and tell you it is for your pension fund (though in the end it is not) and you would be ok with that because to quote you "But they had something and a chance to save everything down the line" ????????

So you are going to trust the very people stealing from you that they have your best interest and the interest of the company in mind???

Seems the only people the CEO's cared about was themselves, I mean even though they stole money from the workers they still got raises and a couple of million for running the company into the ground

But everyone is still blaming the workers..for going o strike..

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/13/2012 10:47:13 AM   
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But everyone is still blaming the workers..for going o strike..



No, just the labor leaders who recommended the Bakers skrike and the ones who voted for it because now...

They have nothing.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/13/2012 10:53:10 AM   
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Which is exactly where they left off from before, but they are no longer being robbed.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 12/13/2012 11:06:51 AM   
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But everyone is still blaming the workers..for going o strike..



No, just the labor leaders who recommended the Bakers skrike and the ones who voted for it because now...

They have nothing.


NOt exactly.

The Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC) is an independent agency of the United States government that was created by the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 (ERISA) to encourage the continuation and maintenance of voluntary private defined benefit pension plans, provide timely and uninterrupted payment of pension benefits, and keep pension insurance premiums at the lowest level necessary to carry out its operations. Subject to other statutory limitations, the PBGC insurance program pays pension benefits up to the maximum guaranteed benefit set by law to participants who retire at age 65 ($54,000 a year as of 2011).[2] The benefits payable to insured retirees who start their benefits at ages other than 65, or who elect survivor coverage, are adjusted to be equivalent in value.
During fiscal year 2010, the PBGC paid $5.6 billion in benefits to participants of failed pension plans. That year, 147 pension plans failed, and the PBGC's deficit increased 4.5 percent to $23 billion. The PBGC has a total of $102.5 billion in obligations and $79.5 billion in assets.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pension_Benefit_Guaranty_Corporation

Most companies provide pensions through single-employer plans that they fund themselves. When companies with these plans file for bankruptcy protection, they sometimes terminate the plans, leading the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., the government agency that insures corporate pensions, to take over the plans and make payouts to their retirees.

With the multiemployer plans from which most Hostess retirees receive benefits, the PBGC doesn't step in unless the plans become insolvent. If that happened, the PBGC would send roughly $12,870 for each employee with at least 30 years of service, according to an agency spokesman.

The Bakery & Confectionary Union & Industry International Pension Fund, the largest fund covering Hostess bakers, was 72% funded when Hostess stopped making contributions, the company said.

Teamster-represented employees at Hostess didn't contribute a portion of their wages toward pensions, a union spokesman said. But among workers in the bakers union, it was "standard practice," said Mr. Rayburn, Hostess's CEO.

.........

For example, John Jordan, a union official and former Hostess employee, said workers at a Hostess factory in Biddeford, Maine, agreed to plow 28 cents of their 30-cents-an-hour wage increase in November 2010 into the pension plan.

Hostess was supposed to take the additional 28 cents an hour and contribute it to the workers' pension plan.

"This local was very aggressive about saving for the future," he said.
Employees in Biddeford began directing wages toward pensions in 1955, and the amount grew to $4.28 an hour per employee.

Amounts varied by location, and it isn't clear how many unionized employee groups participated in the arrangement.

In five months before this past January's bankruptcy filing, the company missed payments to the main baker pension fund totaling $22.1 million, Mr. Freund said.

After that, forgone pension payments added up at a rate of $3 million to $4 million a month until Hostess formally rejected its contracts with the union. The figures include company contributions and employee wages that were earmarked for the pension, according to Mr. Freund.

Mr. Driscoll, the former Hostess chief executive, told employees in an August 2011 letter that the decision to "temporarily suspend" pension contributions was a "necessary bridge" to a larger plan to turn around Hostess.

In the fiscal year ended in May 2011, Hostess had a net loss of $341 million on sales of $2.5 billion.

As the company's financial condition deteriorated, "whatever cash it had was being used to fund the business, to keep it afloat," Mr. Rayburn said.

It might have been "impossible" to undo the agreements that called for Hostess to make pension contributions using employee money, Mr. Rayburn added. One reason: Hostess could have been too short of cash to make up the difference, though he said he isn't sure.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/hostess-maneuver-deprived-pension-051400720.html

So they arent exactly out with nothing. They just got fed up with being ripped off.

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