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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 6:20:05 AM

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More men are in prisons because more women seem to get off, remember Casey Anthony?

Let me add something to this. There seems to be a disconnect with women in the justice system when they commit a crime. Many times one of two things will happen. They will receive a lighter sentence than a male OR they will receive a much harsher one (especially if it involved violence or children.)

Casey Anthony is not a good example as the media tried her and we did not see all of the evidence.

You might look at the Amy Fisher case though.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 6:44:21 AM

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Susan Smith is another.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 6:46:54 AM

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Of course women have been blamed for more serious things, remember Eve and Helen of Troy?

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 8:01:29 AM

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If you look at the stats I gave, you will see incarceration for women is up and its down for men as a percentage.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 4:54:38 PM

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If you look at the stats I gave, you will see incarceration for women is up and its down for men as a percentage.

I was looking at that tazzy, thanks for the info.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 7:32:57 PM

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If you look at the stats I gave, you will see incarceration for women is up and its down for men as a percentage.

I was looking at that tazzy, thanks for the info.

Damnit Jeff! You cannot thank a wimminz! You are a victim. Sheesh! Please keep that in mind for your future posts.

Can't you see that we are all trying to oppress you? By actually discussing this in a rational manner we are luring you into a trap. Any post now you will be called a virgin or something.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 7:45:35 PM

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You are a victim. Sheesh! Please keep that in mind for your future posts.

Why is it that a male is deemed as an idiot for claiming to be a victim of something but it's all okay for women?

Gotta love female favoritism.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 8:03:55 PM

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You gave yourself the answer in your post.

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Why is it that a male is deemed as an idiot for claiming to be a victim of something but it's all okay for women?

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 8:07:48 PM

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If you want an example of male victimization, consider the following.

A woman, single parent, can find all kinds of help through various social agencies with little effort.

A male single parent has to fight, argue and go to supervisors to get the same help.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 8:09:19 PM

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For all the ignorant people/feminists who harp on about men being privileged.

Homelessness
Women – 12,000 – 4%
Men – 240,000 – 96%

http://www.societaldistress.org/files/HO-HAR2009.pdf

Federal Funds for Sex Specific Cancer Research
Women – Breast Cancer – $631,000,000
Men – Prostate Cancer – $300,000,000

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/NCI/research-funding

Deaths on the job
Women – 355 - 7%
Men – 4,192 - 93%

http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cfoi_rates_2010hb.pdf

Incarceration Rates
Women – 114,979 - 7%
Men – 1,502,49 - 93%

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/pim09st.pdf

Child Custody Rates
Women – 11,268,000 custodial mothers
Men – 2,907,000 custodial fathers

http://deltabravo.net/cms/plugins/content/content.php?content.269

US Military Deaths From 1950 – 2010
Women – 139 - 0.001%
Men – 100,063 - 99.99%

http://www.militaryfactory.com/vietnam/casualties.asp
http://usiraq.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000671#miltfatstat

Federally Funded Battered Shelters
Women – 2,000+ $300,000,000 per year
Men – None – $0

Federally Funded Health Offices and Research 1970 – Present (not including cancer research)
Women Only – Office, Projects and Programs 70+ – Funds – $100,000,000,000
Men Only – None – $0

Forced Selective Service
Women – No
Men – Yes

The list could go on...

It's funny how a male is automatically deemed as a whiner, someone pathetic or whatever when he points out privileges women have or how men are treated as second class citizens.

But it's all okay for feminists to complain all they like about men of course. This is yet another example of female privilege it's self.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 8:17:48 PM

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I have had to go to supervisors and complain.

I have had to jump through hoop after hoop after hoop.

I have had to research, then demand, to be allowed to sign up for programs.

Are you saying that means I was handed things that men have to fight for?

If its a federal or state program, the father cannot be discriminated against based upon sex.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 8:25:35 PM

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I have had to go to supervisors and complain.

I have had to jump through hoop after hoop after hoop.

I have had to research, then demand, to be allowed to sign up for programs.

Are you saying that means I was handed things that men have to fight for?

If its a federal or state program, the father cannot be discriminated against based upon sex.

Just going by my experience. They seemed to make it more difficult than it had to be. My case worker made me fill out the application three times.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 8:41:16 PM

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For all the ignorant people/feminists who harp on about men being privileged.

Homelessness
Women – 12,000 – 4%
Men – 240,000 – 96%

http://www.societaldistress.org/files/HO-HAR2009.pdf

I suggest you vet your sources a bit better.

3.1 Characteristics of People Using Homeless Shelters, 2009
Characteristics of All Sheltered Persons Homelessness can befall people of all genders, races and ages. A portrait of the estimated 1.6 million people who used a shelter between October 2009 and September 2010 is provided in Exhibit 3-1. In 2009, a typical sheltered homeless person had the following characteristics:

Adult—78 percent of all sheltered homeless persons
are adults.
Male–61 percent are male.
Minority—62 percent are members of a minority
group.
Middle-age—38 percent are 31 to 50 years old.

Alone—64 percent are in one-person households.

No special needs—62 percent do not have a disability.

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Gender of Adults. Most sheltered homeless individuals are men. In 2009, 71 percent of all sheltered individuals were adult men and only 25 percent were adult women staying alone. Assuming that most homeless persons are poor before using a shelter, the high rate of men among individuals suggests that for every 14 men living by themselves with incomes below the poverty line, 1 is likely to access a homeless shelter at some time during the year. Only 1 of every 35 women living alone in poverty access the homeless shelter system By comparison, adults who become homeless together with children are usually, but not always, women. In 2009, 79.6
percent of adults in families with children were women. Women in families with incomes below the poverty line are 2 times more likely to use a shelter than their male counterparts.

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http://www.societaldistress.org/files/HO-HAR2009.pdf

Ahhhh... the source for your list....?

http://feck-blog.blogspot.com/2012/01/a-voice-for-men-overview.html

Viewing the world through a masculist lens, striving to be egalitarian...

And this is why no one is going to take you seriously. You through up links to facts that do not contain the facts you claim they have.

Another example.... You stated, per your list....

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Child Custody Rates
Women – 11,268,000 custodial mothers
Men – 2,907,000 custodial fathers

http://deltabravo.net/cms/plugins/content/content.php?content.269

Bureau of the Census, showed that in 1991, there were a total of 11,268,000 total custodial mothers compared to a total of 2,907,000 custodial fathers. They also reported the following statistics about children from a fatherless home.

1991? Really? You are aware that the Census has been retaken since then, yes?

An estimated 13.7 million parents had custody of 22.0 million children under 21 years of age while the other parent lived somewhere else.

• About 1 in 6 custodial parents were fathers (17.8 percent).

http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/p60-240.pdf

If you are going to scream about something, scream about the change between 1991 and 2009.

I truly have to wonder just why so many children are living with mom? Could it be the rise in single motherhood?

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Federal Funds for Sex Specific Cancer Research
Women – Breast Cancer – $631,000,000
Men – Prostate Cancer – $300,000,000

We have been through this.

Prostate cancer has a first stage detection rate of 80%.. and yet research is still on going.

Whats the first stage detection rate for breast cancer... of which BOTH sexes get?

Bring something to the table that is current and accurate... maybe we can then engage in the whys.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 8:42:44 PM

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I have had to go to supervisors and complain.

I have had to jump through hoop after hoop after hoop.

I have had to research, then demand, to be allowed to sign up for programs.

Are you saying that means I was handed things that men have to fight for?

If its a federal or state program, the father cannot be discriminated against based upon sex.

Just going by my experience. They seemed to make it more difficult than it had to be. My case worker made me fill out the application three times.

Been there.. done that. Got verbally assaulted by a case worker, who wasnt even mine, because they sent me the paper work late, which is why me turning it in was late. I ever showed her the return envelope with the post mark indicating the date mailed was after the date due.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 8:53:53 PM

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Deny it all you want tazzy. I see facts as facts.

There have always been WAY more homeless men than women regardless what year a stat is made.

There have always been WAY more health funding for women than men regardless what year a stat is made

Child custody has always been in favour of mothers regardless what year a stat is made.

The vast majority of incarceration rates has always been men regardless what year a stat is made.

There has always been more deaths on the job with men compared to women regardless what year a stat is made.

Around 90 something percent of death in war have been men regardless what year a stat is made.

There has always been federally funded battered shelters for women while little to none for men regardless what year a stat is made.

The fact of the matter is that society does a lot more for women than it does for men.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 9:03:11 PM

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For all the ignorant people/feminists who harp on about men being privileged.

Homelessness
Women – 12,000 – 4%
Men – 240,000 – 96%

http://www.societaldistress.org/files/HO-HAR2009.pdf

Yeah, so? The disparity has many reasons. Not so much because we do not like men.

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Federal Funds for Sex Specific Cancer Research
Women – Breast Cancer – $631,000,000
Men – Prostate Cancer – $300,000,000

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/NCI/research-funding

Breast cancer is NOT sex specific.

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Deaths on the job
Women – 355 - 7%
Men – 4,192 - 93%

http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cfoi_rates_2010hb.pdf

Again, so what? Most of the "most dangerous jobs" are filled by men. A better way would be to show a difference between males and females on a shrimp boat or something.

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Incarceration Rates
Women – 114,979 - 7%
Men – 1,502,49 - 93%

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/pim09st.pdf

So what? Males commit more crimes. Certain peoples commit more crime than others as well.

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Child Custody Rates
Women – 11,268,000 custodial mothers
Men – 2,907,000 custodial fathers

http://deltabravo.net/cms/plugins/content/content.php?content.269

Yep. We DO have the dice loaded for females being the better choice over males. The reason is that for so many years raising children was "wimminz work."

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US Military Deaths From 1950 – 2010
Women – 139 - 0.001%
Men – 100,063 - 99.99%

http://www.militaryfactory.com/vietnam/casualties.asp
http://usiraq.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000671#miltfatstat

Now this is just off the wall stupid. Women are not offered combat posts.

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Federally Funded Battered Shelters
Women – 2,000+ $300,000,000 per year
Men – None – $0

We have one here. You are a fibber.

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Federally Funded Health Offices and Research 1970 – Present (not including cancer research)
Women Only – Office, Projects and Programs 70+ – Funds – $100,000,000,000
Men Only – None – $0

Again, you are a fibber. The feds DO fund research for men.

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Forced Selective Service
Women – No
Men – Yes

Yep. And do you have ANY idea on why that must be the case?

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The list could go on...

Please do not. You are tiresome.

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It's funny how a male is automatically deemed as a whiner, someone pathetic or whatever when he points out privileges women have or how men are treated as second class citizens.

Have you read this thread? Really it comes down to this: Bitch about something while looking for or implementing a solution? Golden! Woo Hoo!

Keep going on about your "repression" et cetera, ad nauseum, well . . . you become annoying and makes me want to make fun of you.

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But it's all okay for feminists to complain all they like about men of course.

Really? Because I only allow so much time for a pity party. Then it is "put up or shut up."

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This is yet another example of female privilege it's self.

How could I have missed it. Us wimminz haz it ALL!

Have you ever opened a book?

How do your buddies feel about you giving them all victim status?

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 9:05:28 PM

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Deny it all you want tazzy. I see facts as facts.

Your facts are wrong.

There are way more homeless men than women.... there are also way more women as single parents than men. You figure that one out.

And you didnt answer my question on breast cancer. Could it possibly be that you dont know... and you dont care.... that is matters nothing to you that both sexes are dying from the same disease... as long as it makes your point.

Incarceration rates for women have been almost double, percentage wise, than men lately. Something I already brought to this thread.

Men dying on the jobs more than women... hmmm... that really should be a no brainer for even you... oops.. my bad. Anyways, could it possibly be that men take the riskier jobs for more money? Naaa... couldnt POSSIBLY be that.

War deaths.... and? Talk to Congress about the military requirements and when and where they allow women to serve.

Men's Battered Shelter? You do realize that any shelter taking federal funds are not allowed to discriminate based upon race? Do they have a "Man's Battered Shelter"? Probably not. But I dont know of too many cities that do not have at least one shelter for men... I do know some that do not have one for women unless she has been abused.

As to the rest.... again... bring information that is current, relevant and accurate... and we can chat.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 9:16:29 PM

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As to the rest.... again... bring information that is current, relevant and accurate... and we can chat.

Ya know Tazzy, the really sad part of all of this is that he COULD make a good case. If he stopped using stupid arguments and actually looked into our culture and history he could find the GOOD/USEFUL arguements for his stance. Alas, he does not seem willing to do anything other than cry on a message board.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 9:19:34 PM

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Yeah, so? The disparity has many reasons. Not so much because we do not like men.

Such like??? More programs to help women?

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Breast cancer is NOT sex specific.

How many men get it? How many men die from it? Prostate research has indicated that just as many people die from prostate cancer than they do with breast cancer. It's funny how if this was the other way around, people would be squealing female oppression left, right, and centre. NO EXCUSES.

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Again, so what? Most of the "most dangerous jobs" are filled by men. A better way would be to show a difference between males and females on a shrimp boat or something.

The point is how can men be so privileged when they are expected to do all the dirty work to keep all humanity alive? Appreciation factor: ZERO. Men just get constantly bashed instead for being evil oppressors.

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So what? Males commit more crimes. Certain peoples commit more crime than others as well.

Males may commit more crimes but not at such a huge rate when looking at the statistics.

Like this.

Women – 114,979 - 7%
Men – 1,502,49 - 93%

As if women do THAT MUCH less.

If we tried to pull the same excuse against blacks, we would be deemed racist.

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Yep. We DO have the dice loaded for females being the better choice over males. The reason is that for so many years raising children was "wimminz work."

This makes absolutely no sense for why it's happening.

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Now this is just off the wall stupid. Women are not offered combat posts.

No it's not stupid when explaining that males aren't so privileged after all. If it was the other way around, people would be screaming that women are victims of oppression.

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We have one here. You are a fibber.

Wow one! Now let's compare that to how many women have. lolz

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Yep. And do you have ANY idea on why that must be the case?

Because society protects women while making men suffer and do all the dirty work. yet people still claim that women are the poor oppressed second class citizens.

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Bitch about something while looking for or implementing a solution?

And what are you doing about the situation in these threads?

What solutions are people implementing?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4341625/tm.htm
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4341681/tm.htm

No one telling them to shut up and do something about it.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 9:21:37 PM

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Hell.. I could agree with many things he whines about... if he would just stop freakin whining and actually bring a discussion.

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