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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 9:25:12 PM

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A male pointing out female privilege or male sexism = whiner

A female pointing out male privilege or female sexism = strong modern liberated woman standing up for her rights

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 9:35:34 PM

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Learn the facts .... There is far more behind these issues than just numbers.

Prison, Jail and Community Supervision: In 2009, the majority of the total correctional population (prison, jails, community supervision) was male (82 percent) and 18 percent was female.

Previous Years: The number of female prisoners rose at a faster rate (4.8 percent) then the number of male prisoners (2.7 percent). The percent increase in female prisoners was almost twice that of male prisoners.

The growth in the female incarcerated population was 2.2 percent since 2,000. The growth in the male incarcerated population was 1.6 percent since 2,000.

Male inmates had an incarceration rate 14 times higher than females.

Black females had an imprisonment rate nearly three times that of white females.

http://www.corrections.com/news/article/30166-statistics-on-women-offenders

Studies find that males are incarcerated for crimes more often than females. This is particularly true for violent crimes.

In 2004, males were almost 10 times more likely than females to commit murder. Men are also far more likely than women to be the victims of violent crime, with the exception of rape.[2] The reference to the previous claim states women are the primary victims of rape homicides.

Males are typically more openly aggressive than females (Coie & Dodge 1997, Maccoby & Jacklin 1974, Buss 2005), which violent crime statistics support. Some researchers have suggested that females are not necessarily less aggressive, but that they tend to show their aggression in less overt, less physical ways. For example, females may display more verbal and relational aggression, such as social rejection.[2][3] Men do, however, express their aggression with violence more often than women.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_and_crime

As I said... learn something

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 9:37:33 PM

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A male pointing out female privilege or male sexism = whiner

Nooooo.. you got that all wrong.

Anyone who posts a complaint, then uses misleading, erroneous or made up "facts" to prove their complain is a whiner... among other things.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 9:38:42 PM

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What solutions are people implementing?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4341625/tm.htm
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4341681/tm.htm

No one telling them to shut up and do something about it.

Pst... because THEY are doing something about it, instead of posting on a message board with misleading, erroneous and made up "facts".

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 9:42:32 PM

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Learn the facts .... There is far more behind these issues than just numbers.

The fact of the matter is regardless what year, males are still incarcerated at a much much much more higher rate than women.

Again, imagine if you were making the same stance against blacks being incarcerated more than whites? Would you be considered racist?

Males may commit more harsh violent crimes but that shouldn't cancel out any other offense that should land you in jail.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 9:44:31 PM

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Pst... because THEY are doing something about it, instead of posting on a message board with misleading, erroneous and made up "facts".

Such like?

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 9:45:54 PM

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quote]ORIGINAL: Aylee

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US Military Deaths From 1950 – 2010
Women – 139 - 0.001%
Men – 100,063 - 99.99%

http://www.militaryfactory.com/vietnam/casualties.asp
http://usiraq.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000671#miltfatstat

Now this is just off the wall stupid. Women are not offered combat posts.

Really? I think your response supports his point... or at least the point I'd have been making if I quoted those numbers. The bottom line is that men are expendable. I can like that or not but "women & children first" is not exactly a new sentiment. So yeah... women aren't offered combat posts... and what does that say about how we see men & women both?

Honestly, I'm sanguine about that part. As a male I'd be the first to be defending "women & children first". As much as I really want equality I just can't wrap my head around not acting to protect women and children at the expense of my own life. So as much as I recognize the unfairness of that sort of thinking I'm still fine with it personally.

Specifically I think women should be offered combat posts if they so desire but men shouldn't get the option. And yes, that means I'd rather see a male die than a female.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 9:46:17 PM

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Anyone who posts a complaint, then uses misleading, erroneous or made up "facts" to prove their complain is a whiner... among other things.

That's your opinion due to your bias.

It's hard to believe if you would consider any source which indicates women have it better than men.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 9:47:52 PM

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The fact of the matter is regardless what year, males are still incarcerated at a much much much more higher rate than women.

LOL.. and if men are committing more violent crimes than women, you want them to round up women to equal it out?

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Again, imagine if you were making the same stance against blacks being incarcerated more than whites? Would you be considered racist?

Its made all the time on these threads. Take a look.

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Males may commit more harsh violent crimes but that shouldn't cancel out any other offense that should land you in jail.

The prison system has x amount of dollars. Do they use them to lock up violent offenders, or do they use them to lock up as many men as women, regardless of the violence....

Ponder that for a while.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 9:49:55 PM

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Really? I think your response supports his point... or at least the point I'd have been making if I quoted those numbers. The bottom line is that men are expendable. I can like that or not but "women & children first" is not exactly a new sentiment. So yeah... women aren't offered combat posts... and what does that say about how we see men & women both?

And yet women are still fighting for the right to take combat positions.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-women-in-combat-20130105,0,609379.story

So is this a feminism issue that can be laid at the feet of women?

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 9:51:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

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Pst... because THEY are doing something about it, instead of posting on a message board with misleading, erroneous and made up "facts".

Such like?

I just gave you a list of examples after your plagiarized list of a rant.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 9:52:42 PM

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LOL.. and if men are committing more violent crimes than women, you want them to round up women to equal it out?

So people only go to jail for violent crimes? What about the other crimes? If I had more time and energy, I could rake up examples how soft female pedophiles get it in the justice system compared to men. But that would be cherry picking also.

Cherry picking one area of crime isn't helping your stance.

Besides, talking about DV alone as for violence, women do it at a similar rate to men.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 9:56:40 PM

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I just gave you a list of examples after your plagiarized list of a rant.

I will bypass the point if you're really speaking the truth or not in regards of you claiming that you do this or that about things. Just because you claim to do this or that about things, does this mean you are also speaking for every person who complains in them threads I pointed out?

Such like in another thread , you were claiming that you do all this help for rape victims. It's hard to believe you have so much time to do that when you seem to be here posting on the forums all the time, every day.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 10:00:16 PM

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So people only go to jail for violent crimes? What about the other crimes? If I had more time and energy, I could rake up examples how soft female pedophiles get it in the justice system compared to men. But that would be cherry picking also.

The total correctional population consists of all offenders under the supervision of the adult correctional systems, which includes offenders supervised in the community under the authority of probation or parole agencies and those held in the custody of state and federal prisons or local jails. Several different data collections are used to estimate the total correctional population; they include the National Prisoner Statistics, Annual Survey of Jails, Census of Jail Inmates, and Annual Probation Survey and Annual Parole Survey (listed under data sources). The basic count for the correctional population is updated annually in the Correctional Populations in the United States series.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=11

Its not just those in jail.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 10:03:43 PM

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I will bypass the point if you're really speaking the truth or not in regards of you claiming that you do this or that about things. Just because you claim to do this or that about things, does this mean you are also speaking for every person who complains in them threads I pointed out?

LOL

Many consider me the fact checking queen around here. But, I am sure if you ask, they can tell you that themselves. I check many facts, on many topics.

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Such like in another thread , you were claiming that you do all this help for rape victims. It's hard to believe you have so much time to do that when you seem to be here posting on the forums all the time, every day.

Ahhh... here is where a poster's history could be helpful. But you would truly have to consider why a poster might be here a lot. Let me give you a hint... recovering from an Achilles tendon repair, which makes working my job pretty much impossible.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 10:04:08 PM

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The total correctional population consists of all offenders under the supervision of the adult correctional systems, which includes offenders supervised in the community under the authority of probation or parole agencies and those held in the custody of state and federal prisons or local jails. Several different data collections are used to estimate the total correctional population; they include the National Prisoner Statistics, Annual Survey of Jails, Census of Jail Inmates, and Annual Probation Survey and Annual Parole Survey (listed under data sources). The basic count for the correctional population is updated annually in the Correctional Populations in the United States series.

What point are you trying to make exactly?

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 10:08:15 PM

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So people only go to jail for violent crimes? What about the other crimes? If I had more time and energy, I could rake up examples how soft female pedophiles get it in the justice system compared to men. But that would be cherry picking also.

Proving that the above isnt correct, that incarcerations arent just about being in jail.

However, amazingly enough, men are still 75% to 25% of women on probation.

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Besides, talking about DV alone as for violence, women do it at a similar rate to men.

And if men dont report it?

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 10:08:31 PM

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Many consider me the fact checking queen around here. But, I am sure if you ask, they can tell you that themselves. I check many facts, on many topics.

"Facts" that not everyone considers as facts. Of course a feminist/liberal may consider it as facts due to their bias. I think you may have a case of delusional grandeur there.

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Ahhh... here is where a poster's history could be helpful. But you would truly have to consider why a poster might be here a lot. Let me give you a hint... recovering from an Achilles tendon repair, which makes working my job pretty much impossible.

So what's your excuse for the past? For the past months and years of you constantly being here?

How long does your problem persist?

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 10:13:33 PM

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"Facts" that not everyone considers as facts. Of course a feminist/liberal may consider it as facts due to their bias. I think you may have a case of delusional grandeur there.

Could be. Or it simply could be just that many ask me to find things for them, and I do... one way or the other. I dont take sides when it comes to posting something I find wrong.

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So what's your excuse for the past? For the past months and years of you constantly being here?

How long does your problem persist?

It takes a top athlete 6 - 9 months to recover from this surgery. But, since you are so interested.

The in jury put me out of work on April 14th, 2011. Due to other health issues, the surgery was not performed until July 8th, 2012. Its now January, 2013. You can do the math, yes?

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/5/2013 10:13:53 PM

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And if men dont report it?

The reason why men are less likely to report it is because society takes men less seriously in general. Secondly, if there are little to no support programs ( I don't mean phone help lines that do nothing), no wonder why we don't see more men coming out and showing it.

It's like you inviting me to come to a place and not revealing the location of that place as there is no place to begin with. Then blame me for why this is happening.

If there were more resources openly available for men, that would encourage more men to show up. As there are hardly any, what encouragement is there for men to reveal their problems?

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