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The rest is NOT progressive noise. Point me to ONE country where you would actually want to live that has a system that you describe in the OP. JUST ONE.

Sure it is. Other countries are not the topic.

Thank you for playing.

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You can't name one place on the face of the planet that has successfully implemented the policies put forth by some 21 year old from Waco, TX who you consider to be a policy guru. Why do you think that is?

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Oh, and explain to me why you didn't respond to my post the first time - according to you, you felt "it's not worth responding to."

And yet, now, you are trying to claim that what you describe is a "social safety net".

You can't have it both ways Yachtie.

What, exactly, is your post supposed to be about???

Now, none of us knows.

None of us knows, because even you don't know what your post is about......oi....this is what I get for trying to engage in discussion.

How bloody well useless of an OP.....an OP that has NO topic....

Ya know, I have other things I'm doing too. Like making dinner.

LMAO. Get over yourself.

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

From Monty Pelerin's World -

Put me in charge of food stamps. I’d get rid of Lone Star cards; no cash for Ding Dongs or Ho Ho’s, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want steak and frozen pizza, then get a job.

Put me in charge of Medicaid. The first thing I’d do is to get women Norplant birth control implants or tubal ligations. Then, we’ll test recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine. If you want to reproduce or use drugs, alcohol, or smoke, then get a job.

Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in a military barracks? You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair. Your home” will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your own place.

In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week or you will report to a “government” job. It may be cleaning the roadways of trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you. We will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo and speakers and put that money toward the “common good..”

Before you write that I’ve violated someone’s rights, realize that all of the above is voluntary. If you want our money, accept our rules. Before you say that this would be “demeaning” and ruin their “self esteem,” consider that it wasn’t that long ago that taking someone else’s money for doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem.

If we are expected to pay for other people’s mistakes we should at least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.

AND While you are on Gov’t subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes, that is correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a Gov’t welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job.



It's so common sense is it any wonder so many don't see it. But of course the politicians would go apoplectic over it, seeing as near 40% of the working population are SNAP participants and would lose their voting franchise.

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

You can't name one place on the face of the planet that has successfully implemented the policies put forth by some 21 year old from Waco, TX who you consider to be a policy guru. Why do you think that is?

Topics for 100 please Alex.

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

Your quoted policies from the 21 year old from Waco, TX do NOT work, my friend. Simple as that.

So let's stop discussing this rant from some person who doesn't know what they are talking about.

If you want to talk about welfare reform, start another thread. This one ain't it. Last I saw, you were discussing dinner.....

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ORIGINAL: Aedonix

And what of those of retirement age? they would technically be without a job? does that mean then that everything they worked for is taken from them?

IMO, the only time one would be required to divest of all luxuries would be where one is receiving 100% government subsistence. Government subsistence is not meant, nor should it be, comfortable. When one gets comfortable with taxpayer largess, what incentive is there to get off it?

SNAP, no. But SNAP would not buy you steak.

Should they lose all they have worked for due to something that is no fault of their own?


Can you really make life fair?

I know a few people who have lost everything and come back to reacquire it all again. One guy has done it twice.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Here in the UK all three main parties are using the unemployed as a scapegoat.

The notion it is your money and your rules insinuates none of the unemployed have ever paid taxes. Ludicrous at best arrogant at worst.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: Aedonix

And what of those of retirement age? they would technically be without a job? does that mean then that everything they worked for is taken from them?

IMO, the only time one would be required to divest of all luxuries would be where one is receiving 100% government subsistence. Government subsistence is not meant, nor should it be, comfortable. When one gets comfortable with taxpayer largess, what incentive is there to get off it?

SNAP, no. But SNAP would not buy you steak.

Should they lose all they have worked for due to something that is no fault of their own?


Can you really make life fair?

I know a few people who have lost everything and come back to reacquire it all again. One guy has done it twice.

Why don't you expand on SNAP...The Supplemental Nurtrtion Assistance Program....By the way this program helps those
with disaster assitance, are these people included in you group? Those lazy good for nothings..getting assistance at the taxpayers expense, it's just a little rain.....

http://www.fns.usda.gov/disasters/disaster.htm

Then there is the program for schools....

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Here in the UK all three main parties are using the unemployed as a scapegoat.

The notion it is your money and your rules insinuates none of the unemployed have ever paid taxes. Ludicrous at best arrogant at worst.

It's unfortunate welfare has been so highly politicized. But if you look at your second statement, when they were employed, do you really think they'd not have wanted a welfare system that does not encourage being on it?

Welfare, the topic here, is but one aspect of the whole.

It is possible to discuss it without going ape shit as people should have some idea the effects of other aspects on it and it on them.

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

Your quoted policies from the 21 year old from Waco, TX do NOT work, my friend. Simple as that.

So let's stop discussing this rant from some person who doesn't know what they are talking about.

If you want to talk about welfare reform, start another thread. This one ain't it. Last I saw, you were discussing dinner.....

Can't handle it, can you.

I was not discussing dinner, go back and see if you can understand what I said.

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Here in the UK all three main parties are using the unemployed as a scapegoat.

The notion it is your money and your rules insinuates none of the unemployed have ever paid taxes. Ludicrous at best arrogant at worst.

It's unfortunate welfare has been so highly politicized. But if you look at your second statement, when they were employed, do you really think they'd not have wanted a welfare system that does not encourage being on it?

Welfare, the topic here, is but one aspect of the whole.

It is possible to discuss it without going ape shit as people should have some idea the effects of other aspects on it and it on them.

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

Your quoted policies from the 21 year old from Waco, TX do NOT work, my friend. Simple as that.

So let's stop discussing this rant from some person who doesn't know what they are talking about.

If you want to talk about welfare reform, start another thread. This one ain't it. Last I saw, you were discussing dinner.....

Can't handle it, can you.

I was not discussing dinner, go back and see if you can understand what I said.

The person I was referring to is the 21 year old from Waco, TX. I wasn't referring to you at all. These aren't YOUR ideas. Or are you now committing plagiarism, too??

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: Aedonix

And what of those of retirement age? they would technically be without a job? does that mean then that everything they worked for is taken from them?

IMO, the only time one would be required to divest of all luxuries would be where one is receiving 100% government subsistence. Government subsistence is not meant, nor should it be, comfortable. When one gets comfortable with taxpayer largess, what incentive is there to get off it?

SNAP, no. But SNAP would not buy you steak.

Should they lose all they have worked for due to something that is no fault of their own?


Can you really make life fair?

I know a few people who have lost everything and come back to reacquire it all again. One guy has done it twice.

Why don't you expand on SNAP...The Supplemental Nurtrtion Assistance Program....By the way this program helps those
with disaster assitance, are these people included in you group? Those lazy good for nothings..getting assistance at the taxpayers expense, it's just a little rain.....

http://www.fns.usda.gov/disasters/disaster.htm

Then there is the program for schools....

Would a normal person equate SNAP disaster assistance with SNAP within the welfare meaning? I highly doubt it.

School lunch programs, are they necessary? Students often take their lunch with them. If they have the money then they can buy the cafeteria lunch. Why is a government program necessary?

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Funnily enough I have noticed people go ape shit if you disagree.

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

Your quoted policies from the 21 year old from Waco, TX do NOT work, my friend. Simple as that.

So let's stop discussing this rant from some person who doesn't know what they are talking about.

If you want to talk about welfare reform, start another thread. This one ain't it. Last I saw, you were discussing dinner.....

Can't handle it, can you.

I was not discussing dinner, go back and see if you can understand what I said.

The person I was referring to is the 21 year old from Waco, TX. I wasn't referring to you at all. These aren't YOUR ideas. Or are you now committing plagiarism, too??

whatever.... lmao

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Funnily enough I have noticed people go ape shit if you disagree.

When they're off topic. See, this time I'm not going to be dragged off to someones pinball way of debate; making their point an off topic way.