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strange animal rights protest - 1/20/2013 2:36:31 AM

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Hi Everyone,

I'm not sure this is directly relevant to BDSM but certainly eye-catching.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/20/2013 7:35:09 AM

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I don't think it's relevant to BDSM. However, if she believes it to be a necessary statement, why isn't SHE volunteering for the role of brandee????

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/20/2013 7:39:39 AM

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Brand looks shitty. They should have used someone who actually knows what they are doing, so that 10 months later it's "what does that 269 mean?" Not, "Why do you have a big blob on your chest?"

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/20/2013 8:16:31 AM

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I don't think it's relevant to BDSM. However, if she believes it to be a necessary statement, why isn't SHE volunteering for the role of brandee????

Um..because it hurts?

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/20/2013 8:19:56 AM

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I have seen some beautiful brands done on the human body.
They were done by PROFESSIONALS who knew what they were doing.
This doesn't proof any point other than people make uneducated and silly decisions all the time.

I think branding a human without the training to do so is dangerous.
I think that it also took away from the woman's cause.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/20/2013 8:27:55 AM

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I have seen some beautiful brands done on the human body.
They were done by PROFESSIONALS who knew what they were doing.
This doesn't proof any point other than people make uneducated and silly decisions all the time.

I think branding a human without the training to do so is dangerous.
I think that it also took away from the woman's cause.

No it didn't. We're here talking about it, for good or for bad. And though her way of drawing attention to her cause may not work for you, it will work for someone, somewhere. And someone will look into veganism as a result of what she's doing.

Others will only draw further to the "vegans are freaks" stance. But they're not the ones that will respond to this type of attention, anyway. The ones that this will touch enough to turn somebody toward veganism are the ones that will respond favorably to this type of attention in the first place. She's giving those people a nudge. Her mission has already been accomplished.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/20/2013 11:19:47 AM

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John Cooper QC, a criminal barrister, said: ‘If consenting adults in a non-sexual context decide to brand themselves it is probably not illegal.’

Aw, sure. We can brand people for protests, but not just for fun.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/20/2013 11:33:20 AM

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As much as I enjoy protesting and activism, this is not something that floats my boat. What happened to marches, rallies, and picket signs? Seems like everyone is going to extremes for attention and press these days.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/20/2013 12:44:45 PM

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I have seen some beautiful brands done on the human body.
They were done by PROFESSIONALS who knew what they were doing.
This doesn't proof any point other than people make uneducated and silly decisions all the time.

I think branding a human without the training to do so is dangerous.
I think that it also took away from the woman's cause.

No it didn't. We're here talking about it, for good or for bad. And though her way of drawing attention to her cause may not work for you, it will work for someone, somewhere. And someone will look into veganism as a result of what she's doing.

Others will only draw further to the "vegans are freaks" stance. But they're not the ones that will respond to this type of attention, anyway. The ones that this will touch enough to turn somebody toward veganism are the ones that will respond favorably to this type of attention in the first place. She's giving those people a nudge. Her mission has already been accomplished.

See you have your opinion.
I have mine.
I stand by my statement "I" think her extreme acts took away from her message.
I don't think any attention is good attention.
Any more than I think any press is good press.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/20/2013 10:05:24 PM

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What happened to marches, rallies, and picket signs? Seems like everyone is going to extremes for attention and press these days.

I have found myself wondering that a lot lately too. It seems those kinds of protests were simply fads for an age. Forget that they worked and got a good message across. Or at least got a message across in a good way. Now people just seem to be more into shock value. It's like instead of trying to put together a good argument they just want to shock people into their mindset.

The fact is we as humans are built to eat and digest both meat and vegetation. Can we survive on only one type? Well, the vegans and vegetarians do, so I suppose it can be done, but I have no idea of the challenges that would be presented by ignoring one half of our food supply. For either side. I eat both so don't look into the extreme sides of the eating debate. These people seem to just have an issue with the treatment of the animals in question anyway, so isn't their entire lifestyle a protest?

I say that because of my sister. She doesn't eat a whole lot of meat and when she was a kid, she flat out refused. It's not that she has a problem with how the meat gets to her plate, she doesn't like the taste. She told me once that no matter how well it's cooked, it still tastes bloody to her. She's picky about the meat she eats because of that. Usually when we go out she eats chicken. I don't really ever see her eating beef or pork.

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I don't think any attention is good attention.
Any more than I think any press is good press.

That's a good point. Attention isn't always good. Don't troubled kids behave badly because that's what gets them the attention they want? Probably not all of them, but at least some. Look at Clinton. He got a lot of press with Monica back in the day, but it sure as heck wasn't good press. Just because you manage to get people to look at you doesn't mean you are getting the message you want to make across.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/21/2013 8:46:47 AM

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The reality is that animals, in this case cattle, do not have the same type of skin that we do. In other words, while branding isn't a great thing, it doesn't feel the same as it does to humans. In fact, when calf is branded, within a minute they are running around like nothing ever happened.

Interestingly, she isn't talking about the branding of animals, but ear tags. Really? It's like piercing an ear. Humans do it all the time.

As Kiliko said, this will cause some people to think all vegans are freaks. To me, that is the same as judging any entire group based on one person. I do think this woman is a freak, and also probably a little bit of a closet kinkster.

I also agree that if this woman is serious about her "protest," she should volunteer to be branded herself rather than doing the branding. It definately takes away from her stance in my opinion.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/21/2013 9:17:22 AM

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quote:

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I have seen some beautiful brands done on the human body.
They were done by PROFESSIONALS who knew what they were doing.
This doesn't proof any point other than people make uneducated and silly decisions all the time.

I think branding a human without the training to do so is dangerous.
I think that it also took away from the woman's cause.

No it didn't. We're here talking about it, for good or for bad. And though her way of drawing attention to her cause may not work for you, it will work for someone, somewhere. And someone will look into veganism as a result of what she's doing.

Others will only draw further to the "vegans are freaks" stance. But they're not the ones that will respond to this type of attention, anyway. The ones that this will touch enough to turn somebody toward veganism are the ones that will respond favorably to this type of attention in the first place. She's giving those people a nudge. Her mission has already been accomplished.

It was seeing demonstrations like these that gave me that last nudge to become vegan. This and watching the horrid exposes on the way animals are treated for human "luxury."

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/21/2013 12:48:10 PM

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I'm thinking that she must be involved in the bdsm lifestyle in some way to do this. I also think that those being branded must also enjoy this lifestyle to allow someone to brand them.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/21/2013 1:28:44 PM

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I'm thinking that she must be involved in the bdsm lifestyle in some way to do this. I also think that those being branded must also enjoy this lifestyle to allow someone to brand them.

I know MANY men who are branded and not into the lifestyle in any way.
They where frat boys though.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/21/2013 3:17:47 PM

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I don't think it's relevant to BDSM. However, if she believes it to be a necessary statement, why isn't SHE volunteering for the role of brandee????

The same reason why people who start wars, while using terms like "sacrifice" and "noble cause" end up sending someone elses kids to do the fighting.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/21/2013 3:19:50 PM

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I have seen some beautiful brands done on the human body.
They were done by PROFESSIONALS who knew what they were doing.
This doesn't proof any point other than people make uneducated and silly decisions all the time.

I think branding a human without the training to do so is dangerous.
I think that it also took away from the woman's cause.

No it didn't. We're here talking about it, for good or for bad. And though her way of drawing attention to her cause may not work for you, it will work for someone, somewhere. And someone will look into veganism as a result of what she's doing.

Others will only draw further to the "vegans are freaks" stance. But they're not the ones that will respond to this type of attention, anyway. The ones that this will touch enough to turn somebody toward veganism are the ones that will respond favorably to this type of attention in the first place. She's giving those people a nudge. Her mission has already been accomplished.

It was seeing demonstrations like these that gave me that last nudge to become vegan. This and watching the horrid exposes on the way animals are treated for human "luxury."

Yes but these were willing participants who gave infomed consent. The calf however is simply being victimized by someone who claims to be concerned for animals. I agree with EsotericLady that this lady should let herself be branded if this cause is so important to her.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/21/2013 3:39:47 PM

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Why is it necessary for her to be branded herself? I mean, sure, she could...or she could not. Someone has to do the branding, and someone has to be branded. As long as all are participating voluntarily, why is her conviction any less because she's the one doing the branding?

If it were me, I surely wouldn't get branded. But if someone else is willing to for the cause, then that is his/her decision. And the two together make an adequate pair to complete the act. A brander and a..um...brandee. I don't see the problem.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/21/2013 3:47:43 PM

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Why is it necessary for her to be branded herself? I mean, sure, she could...or she could not. Someone has to do the branding, and someone has to be branded. As long as all are participating voluntarily, why is her conviction any less because she's the one doing the branding?

If it were me, I surely wouldn't get branded. But if someone else is willing to for the cause, then that is his/her decision. And the two together make an adequate pair to complete the act. A brander and a..um...brandee. I don't see the problem.

Because it is her idea. Or at least find another willng participant. If her cause isn't important enough for her (or a willing participant) to go through that pain then it shouldn't happen. The poor animal she plans to brand did not consent to being tortured like this for a spectacle.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/21/2013 3:48:55 PM

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I have to admit, I see a greater dedication on the receiving end than the giving end. Being willing to endure the pain and carry a physical scar for life just seems like the greater commitment.

I do have to say that if the brands in the pics had been done in the name of kink, rather than animal rights activism, people would be up in arms about the branders not having done the research in the difference between cattle and human brands.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/21/2013 4:04:52 PM

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Because it is her idea. Or at least find another willng participant. If her cause isn't important enough for her (or a willing participant) to go through that pain then it shouldn't happen. The poor animal she plans to brand did not consent to being tortured like this for a spectacle.

She's branding a human who has volunteered, not an animal.

And it's a protest that has been done before, apparently, and with similar protests taking place in cities throughout the world.

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