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RE: If I report that James lives with me, can they coun... - 2/22/2013 6:19:00 PM   
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And if they do decide to cut my SSI then I am screwed, and there's nothing you can do about it, short of telling James to move out.And naturally that's not desirable.



If they cut your SSI it will be because his income is to much for your house hold and they assume you both can live off it. Right now, you are not following rules of the SSI program and frankly you haven't been for some time.

Again, you loosing your SSI may happen but the reality is if someone else reports you and they audit you. You may not only have to pay back everything you were over paid but you may face fraud charges.








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RE: If I report that James lives with me, can they coun... - 2/22/2013 8:59:01 PM   
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And why not? If your resources are under 2 grand even with the CDs I don't see how the CDs would be a problem. As for 2 cars...my sister, who was on SSI had to cars for several years.

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RE: If I report that James lives with me, can they coun... - 2/22/2013 10:12:51 PM   
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Yes, because you receive SSI and not SSDI, the rules are different and they will cut your SSI benefits based on how much you work. The first $85 you make doesn't count at all, and the balance counts at $.50 on the dollar. But while your SSI payment is reduced, it isn't reduced by the total amount you earn through employment, but by half the amount, so you would still be making more.

You don't want to work full time, only part time. I'm usually not this harsh with you, but that is the cost of being an adult! You can start out part time, and then go full time, or they have work from home positions as well.

None of this matters if you don't call the Ticket to Work program and get the information. Don't call the Right to Work program, that is for people on welfare, and if you keep asking for the wrong one you will be sent to the wrong place.

Change is scary, and you have never had these responsibilities, but this is one of those times, YOU need to call them and find out and not rely on us to give you the answers. This program will do so much more for you than simply help you find work. Stop making excuses about clothes, lunches and transportation. They will find you a position that you have clothes for. You have to eat lunch anyway, so there is no added expense, stick it in a bag and take it with you.

We have given you much information, but we are just reading the Social Security site, and you can do that easily on your own.

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RE: If I report that James lives with me, can they coun... - 2/22/2013 10:14:17 PM   
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Actually we live with my parents, on the property, behind their house in an extra building we turned into a studio!

Did your father ever apply for/receive a certificate of occupancy for that studio?


Do you have a point, or did the batteries die in your vibrator so you have to be mean to someone else? Since I doubt you are a completely law abiding citizen, you really shouldn't question others. Besides that it is none of your business, is it?

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RE: If I report that James lives with me, can they coun... - 2/22/2013 10:57:32 PM   
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Actually we live with my parents, on the property, behind their house in an extra building we turned into a studio!

Did your father ever apply for/receive a certificate of occupancy for that studio?


Do you have a point, or did the batteries die in your vibrator so you have to be mean to someone else? Since I doubt you are a completely law abiding citizen, you really shouldn't question others. Besides that it is none of your business, is it?



It may be that the physical address of all parties will come into question with Social Security, and that could alert yet another agency. Sometimes a housing department, or Social Security will come and check, so that might be worth looking at. Some offices, and some local governments, are more zealous than others in regard to qualifying.

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RE: If I report that James lives with me, can they coun... - 2/23/2013 1:01:46 AM   
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In TFB's case, Social Security is already aware of the living situation with her parents, so it will be noted on the file. I have the same address as my landlord, but his house is the one below mine that is lakefront. He has the dock, I have the view. We both have the same address. When I first moved here, the UPS guy would walk down the 67 stairs to his front door and leave my package that I would have to walk down the 67 stairs to retrieve. Thankfully, I caught him one day and straightened things out, lol. But we do have the same address.

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RE: If I report that James lives with me, can they coun... - 2/23/2013 1:25:04 AM   
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Do you have a point, or did the batteries die in your vibrator so you have to be mean to someone else? Since I doubt you are a completely law abiding citizen, you really shouldn't question others. Besides that it is none of your business, is it?

How was my question in any way mean? Please pull your head out of it's warm, dark resting place.

It's pretty clear there is some hinkiness going on at that address. If they're living in an un-permited space, is it really a bright idea to risk closer scrutiny from government agencies by trying to game the system?

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RE: If I report that James lives with me, can they coun... - 2/23/2013 4:39:06 AM   
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Ok. I called an SSI lawyer, someone who's business and practice is ssi law. And she told me do not report James as either going to live her or already living here. Do not rock the boat. She says look at it like my dad took on another renter and it's his right to do so, who am I to say my dad can not bring on another tenant. And with this arrangement MY living situation has not changed, my dad's has.

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RE: If I report that James lives with me, can they coun... - 2/23/2013 4:43:46 AM   
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Yeah, that's really not what SSI is designed for. Our tax dollars at work.


Yep, exactly. So glad I am working my ass off with 2 jobs for this sort of stuff.

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RE: If I report that James lives with me, can they coun... - 2/23/2013 4:47:54 AM   
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Look, I am not trying to "game the system" I am disabled, I qualify for the disability I am getting, SSI knows I live with my parents. I am using my money to live off of. And rightfully so. I'm not pretending to need money, stashing it away and having JAmes support me, while I get dole on the tax payers dime. I am not living high on the hog having vacations and a lavish life style nor mis using my ssi.

I pay my own share of the bills, I pay my own share of the cable and internet that we split with my dad, I buy my own things that i need for the most part. I do need him to buy groceries because he gets paid more often than i do, and if he's short of money it's not going to be a whole month before he get paid.


I pay my dad gas, when I ask him to take me places, and I use the disability bus as much as possible so not to be a pita to my parents when i have to go somewhere.

And yes, every now an then I fuck up an dig a hole for myself because I can't manage my finances right, but every one fucks something up now and then, we're not infallable.


I want to live with my bf and have a life together, and I'm not using his money to live off of.


So just how am I "trying to game the system"


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Do you have a point, or did the batteries die in your vibrator so you have to be mean to someone else? Since I doubt you are a completely law abiding citizen, you really shouldn't question others. Besides that it is none of your business, is it?

How was my question in any way mean? Please pull your head out of it's warm, dark resting place.

It's pretty clear there is some hinkiness going on at that address. If they're living in an un-permited space, is it really a bright idea to risk closer scrutiny from government agencies by trying to game the system?

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your resources are under 2 grand ev


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RE: If I report that James lives with me, can they coun... - 2/23/2013 4:49:45 AM   
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erieangel, that's just what the told me. I may have mis understood them though, but when they found out I had some Cd's and a savings account, that while not rich was kind of ok, they decided i didn't qualify for SSI and had to pay back 7 months of SSI.
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And why not? If your resources are under 2 grand even with the CDs I don't see how the CDs would be a problem. As for 2 cars...my sister, who was on SSI had to cars for several years.



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RE: If I report that James lives with me, can they coun... - 2/23/2013 4:51:17 AM   
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I fuck up an dig a hole for myself because I can't manage my finances right, but every one does that.


This is simply not true. There are plenty of people who live well within their means without over-extending themselves. They are responsible with their money and their lives.

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RE: If I report that James lives with me, can they coun... - 2/23/2013 4:54:00 AM   
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Then how about you both jump on shaharhar thorn, she clearly stated she gives her mom rent to keep aside for her too, in case of an emergency. If it's ok her mom takes her "Rent" and puts it aside in case of an emergency, She even admits her mom has to be her payee or she can't control herself and she will spend all her money.

And I am not trying to be mean to her, I applaud her honesty.


But if you are going to roll your eyes and claim your tax dollars are being mis aprpriated, then tell that to her too. Because what my dad is doing, is exactly what her mom is doing. I do not ask my dad to, I do not expect my dad too, I give him the money and he chooses to keep it for an emergency i may have.


Once it leaves my hands, it's his choice what to do with it.

I am using my money to live off of. And rightfully so. I'm not pretending to need money, stashing it away and having JAmes support me, while I get dole on the tax payers dime. I am not living high on the hog having vacations and a lavish life style nor mis using my ssi.

I pay my own share of the bills, I pay my own share of the cable and internet that we split with my dad, I buy my own things that i need for the most part.

My dad puts aside some money I pay him in rent so I have some kind of cushion should I have an emergency, that's not mis using my SSI/

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Yeah, that's really not what SSI is designed for. Our tax dollars at work.


Yep, exactly. So glad I am working my ass off with 2 jobs for this sort of stuff.



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RE: If I report that James lives with me, can they coun... - 2/23/2013 4:55:29 AM   
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Ok. I called an SSI lawyer, someone who's business and practice is ssi law. And she told me do not report James as either going to live her or already living here. Do not rock the boat. She says look at it like my dad took on another renter and it's his right to do so, who am I to say my dad can not bring on another tenant. And with this arrangement MY living situation has not changed, my dad's has.



Don't rock the boat? Lol

Ok.. I have trouble believing an SSI attorney told you that. Your living arrangement HAS changed.It' didn't just recently change either. He isn't a roommate, he isn't simply another tenant of your father's. He is your boyfriend and sleeping in your bed.

You are GAMING the system IMO because you are not reporting everything like you are supposed to.





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RE: If I report that James lives with me, can they coun... - 2/23/2013 4:57:20 AM   
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I think you might want to be nicer to people who are working hard and paying taxes, just saying.

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RE: If I report that James lives with me, can they coun... - 2/23/2013 4:58:21 AM   
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I meant every one fucks up in their life, on some things we're not infallable. I changed it.



This is simply not true. There are plenty of people who live well within their means without over-extending themselves. They are responsible with their money and their lives.
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RE: If I report that James lives with me, can they coun... - 2/23/2013 5:00:50 AM   
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I fuck up an dig a hole for myself because I can't manage my finances right, but every one does that.


EVERYONE does not mismanage money or live beyond their means. I admit budgeting isn't always easy but people do it every day. I've lived on extremely tight budgets in the past and it can be done.





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RE: If I report that James lives with me, can they coun... - 2/23/2013 5:01:09 AM   
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That is exactly and 100 percent what she said.


She said do not say he is my bf, say he is a house mate if I am going to, and other wise do not report it.

You and I have two different idea's of gaming the system. My definition of gaming the system is pretending you need help and are disabled when you're not and socking the money away to live high on the hog. Which I'mt not doing.
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Ok. I called an SSI lawyer, someone who's business and practice is ssi law. And she told me do not report James as either going to live her or already living here. Do not rock the boat. She says look at it like my dad took on another renter and it's his right to do so, who am I to say my dad can not bring on another tenant. And with this arrangement MY living situation has not changed, my dad's has.



Don't rock the boat? Lol

Ok.. I have trouble believing an SSI attorney told you that. Your living arrangement HAS changed.It' didn't just recently change either. He isn't a roommate, he isn't simply another tenant of your father's. He is your boyfriend and sleeping in your bed.

You are GAMING the system IMO because you are not reporting everything like you are supposed to.





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RE: If I report that James lives with me, can they coun... - 2/23/2013 5:03:14 AM   
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Ok. I called an SSI lawyer, someone who's business and practice is ssi law. And she told me do not report James as either going to live her or already living here. Do not rock the boat. She says look at it like my dad took on another renter and it's his right to do so, who am I to say my dad can not bring on another tenant. And with this arrangement MY living situation has not changed, my dad's has.


Yeah, that's kinda where I was coming from the whole time.

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RE: If I report that James lives with me, can they coun... - 2/23/2013 5:06:50 AM   
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This is what I dug up on the subject for you.

[Source: http://www.disabilitysecrets.com/reporting-income-for-disability.html ]

Changes You Must Report if You Are Receiving SSI
If the Number of People You Live With Changes

You have to tell the SSA if someone moves into or out of your house, or if you start living in someone else’s home or move out of someone else’s home. Any time there is a change in the number of people who live with you, you must report it to the SSA, including if someone you live with dies or if someone you live with has a baby who will also live with you. You need to report this information because it can affect how much "in-kind" income you have.
If your Living Arrangement Changes

If you move in or out of a nursing home or other institution, you should report this to the SSA, as this can affect the amount of your benefits. In addition, in some states you must tell the SSA if your cooking facilities change or your share of living expenses changes.
If Your Income Changes

If you are receiving income other than SSI, you must tell the SSA about any changes to your income. Changes in your income will generally affect your SSI payments in about two months. And if you are married, you should also tell the SSA about any changes in your spouse’s income.
If Your Resources or Assets Change

In order to receive SSI, you can only have up to $2,000 in resources if you are single, and up to $3,000 in resources if you are married. (Resources include things like cash, checking and savings accounts, and stocks and bonds.) You must tell the SSA about assets that you receive and any new financial account that has your name on it, even if you never use the money or account. Depending on what the account is used for, the SSA may be able to help you set up the account so it will not affect your SSI.
If Your Marital Status Changes

If you get married, divorced, or separated (or get back together after a separation), you must tell the SSA, as those situations can affect your income, and thus your eligibility for SSI. For more information, read our article on disability benefits and getting married.
What Happens if You Don’t Report Changes

The SSA has a lot of ways to determine your financial situation, so it is very important that you notify the SSA as soon as one of the above changes occurs to avoid overpayments and penalties.

Overpayments. If you do not report a change and you are overpaid because of it, you will have to pay back that money, even if you've spent it. Your benefits may be stopped until the overpayment is paid off. Read about what the SSA will do when it discovers an overpayment.

Penalties. If you do not report a change to the SSA immediately, you can be penalized by losing money from your monthly payments. This amount can range from $25 to $100.

If the SSA finds out that you purposefully provided the agency with false information, your benefits will be completely stopped for six months. If it is your second violation, your benefits will be stopped for 12 months, and if it is your third violation, you will not receive benefits for 24 months. In addition, penalties for fraud, which includes making false statements or misrepresentations in applying for benefits, can include imprisonment.


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