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RE: "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli o... - 2/27/2013 5:14:22 AM

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lol i didnt misconstrue tha results, just you twisting them. i said that tha survey shows how more than 3/4 of arabs prefer ta live in israel than any other place & wouldnt move given tha opportunity even though arabs are pretty mobile round tha ME. that was to refute you claiming theyre treated badly.

But you strawman the topic raised in the OP about apartheid in the occupied territories. The topic of this thread has nothing to do with Arabs living in Israel. No one claimed apartheid in Israel.

nah it was bout all israel. tha heading was ""Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli official" & theres little r no differentation in tha OP. plus you said here that "Zionism has turned Palestine into an apartheid land." ya also rejected what i said bout tha polls saying most arabs want to stay in israel if theres a choice. nice try at changing the goal posts though.

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Just more asswipe rambling and distortion from a cartoon.

yanno i hate to destroy an innocent view of tha world but tha image beside my posts an internet icon. doubt anyone else takes it as bein a photograph.

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RE: "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli o... - 2/27/2013 7:14:08 AM

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We are now at 61 posts on this thread and still awaiting a substantive rebuttal to the OP from apartheid Israel's defenders. Despite the numerous posts advanced by apologists for apartheid Israel, our cabal of one-eyed Zionists have produced no substantive evidence or argument to suggest that the claim that Israel is operating an apartheid system in the West Bank is erroneous.

Instead, we are still being presented with the classic hasbara tactics of 'Deny, Obfuscate, Vilify and Lie', as any reading of the above 61 posts will demonstrate. Deny point blank that Israel can do any wrong, obfuscate the issue with irrelevant comments and/or argument, and vilify the poster, or the organisation that produced the evidence or report that concludes Israel is operating an apartheid system on the West Bank. When all else fails, lies and self serving distortions are served up.

Unless Zionists can dredge up something more substantial than the gibberish they have offered to date, it would appear that the OP's assertion that Israel operates an apartheid system on the West Bank is confirmed by the overwhelming weight of evidence and argument.

For their own good, Zionists really ought to take note here. If Israeli apartheid continues on its current path, it is only a matter of time until the Zionist regime goes the way of apartheid South Africa - destroyed from within by its own racism, greed and intransigence, destroyed from outside by the rest of the world who boycotted South Africa and insisted on international sanctions to end the evils of apartheid.

I dread to think how many more innocent pointless deaths on all sides will be inflicted on the region by ugly Zionist racism and its thuggish enforcers in the IDF/settler gangs, all of it designed to complete the theft of the West Bank and cleanse it of its indigenous population of Palestinians.

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RE: "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli o... - 2/27/2013 8:17:04 AM

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So in other words, you started this thread with no intention of even replying to anyone who entered into rational discourse on apartheid, or the situation in that region.

This was merely a ploy to puke up yet another cut and pasted StormFront rant.

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RE: "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli o... - 2/27/2013 10:41:41 AM

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.... that concludes Israel is operating an apartheid system on the West Bank. When all else fails, lies and self serving distortions are served up.

Unless Zionists can dredge up something more substantial than the gibberish they have offered to date, it would appear that the OP's assertion that Israel operates an apartheid system on the West Bank is confirmed by the overwhelming weight of evidence and argument....

I dread to think how many more innocent pointless deaths on all sides will be inflicted on the region by ugly Zionist racism and its thuggish enforcers in the IDF/settler gangs, all of it designed to complete the theft of the West Bank and cleanse it of its indigenous population of Palestinians.

kinda funny how tweaks & vincentml acted as if all israel was apartheid til i posted loadsa things bout arabs wanting ta stay in israel if a pally state became real. now its just tha west bank thats apartheid as tweaks just happened ta mention three times. course theres no point mentioning that almost all arabs in the WB exercise voting & their own lawmaking under tha Pally Authority until a peace deal comes round.

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RE: "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli o... - 2/27/2013 8:57:19 PM

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kinda funny how tweaks & vincentml acted as if all israel was apartheid til i posted loadsa things bout arabs wanting ta stay in israel if a pally state became real. now its just tha west bank thats apartheid as tweaks just happened ta mention three times. course theres no point mentioning that almost all arabs in the WB exercise voting & their own lawmaking under tha Pally Authority until a peace deal comes round

Obviously, you intend to disregard the subject that was presented in the OP. I will repeat it here but accept that you will continue to strawman the discourse because you really have no coherent response to the issue raised by Tweak. This from the OP:

"As long as there is no Palestinian state and Israel rules over the West Bank, Israel is a de facto apartheid state" The topic has absolutely nothing to do with the Arab Israeli citizens despite your repeated efforts to drag them in.

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RE: "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli o... - 2/27/2013 10:53:11 PM

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ever hear that most arabs wanna stay in Israel instaed of a pally state? loadsa polls by independent folks over tha years prove they do. kinda makes a nonsense of tha whole apratheid bs dont ya thunk?

What bullshit! You have documentation for that LIE? Of course you don't.

And your repeated remark that I put any value on ancient history except to refute Ken's argument is also a bullshit LIE.

My position has always been: the Arabs were in place; the Zionists pushed them out.

Really? Who paid for the wells that allowed the population to expand? When and by whom was Tel Aviv founded?

At least learn a little of the actual history.

What does the founding of Tel Aviv have to do with the population of Palestine at the onset of the Zionist movement? The Arabs were the major polulation in Palestine at the founding of Tel Aviv in 1909. Your remarks have nothing to do with the main point of the OP as far as I can see.

The point is that prior to the European Jews emigrating to the area it was very sparsely settled, due in no small part to the lack of water. It was only with the coming of the Jews that Arabs started to migrate into the area in any numbers.

Tel Aviv matters because it is the largest urban area in the rgion and it was founded and built by the Jews.

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RE: "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli o... - 2/27/2013 10:54:38 PM

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kinda funny how tweaks & vincentml acted as if all israel was apartheid til i posted loadsa things bout arabs wanting ta stay in israel if a pally state became real. now its just tha west bank thats apartheid as tweaks just happened ta mention three times. course theres no point mentioning that almost all arabs in the WB exercise voting & their own lawmaking under tha Pally Authority until a peace deal comes round

Obviously, you intend to disregard the subject that was presented in the OP. I will repeat it here but accept that you will continue to strawman the discourse because you really have no coherent response to the issue raised by Tweak. This from the OP:

"As long as there is no Palestinian state and Israel rules over the West Bank, Israel is a de facto apartheid state" The topic has absolutely nothing to do with the Arab Israeli citizens despite your repeated efforts to drag them in.

That is not what the Israeli actually said as I ponted out on page 1.

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RE: "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli o... - 2/28/2013 5:18:30 AM

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kinda funny how tweaks & vincentml acted as if all israel was apartheid til i posted loadsa things bout arabs wanting ta stay in israel if a pally state became real. now its just tha west bank thats apartheid as tweaks just happened ta mention three times. course theres no point mentioning that almost all arabs in the WB exercise voting & their own lawmaking under tha Pally Authority until a peace deal comes round

Obviously, you intend to disregard the subject that was presented in the OP. I will repeat it here but accept that you will continue to strawman the discourse because you really have no coherent response to the issue raised by Tweak. This from the OP:

"As long as there is no Palestinian state and Israel rules over the West Bank, Israel is a de facto apartheid state" The topic has absolutely nothing to do with the Arab Israeli citizens despite your repeated efforts to drag them in.

Yup mentioned in 1 sentence ina quote. thats why i said "little" differentiation. point is all tha other sentences like “Alon Liel candidly admits that his country operates an apartheid regime”, “Now that the truth has been uttered by an Israeli official in the Israeli media, it seems pointless for anyone to continue denying Israeli's apartheid status.” & “I wonder for how much longer will US taxpayers continue to fund, arm and protect an apartheid State?” all give tha impression its tha entire place when israel never annexed tha territory. plus tha op heading "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli official” does the same.

Then tweaks says http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4389863 "Is there any one out there stupid enough to deny that "a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race" is in operation in the West Bank, indeed all of Israeli ruled lands?" & as i noted ya say something similar bout all palestine on pg 2. yup you guys are sayin' its about all tha land.

our talk bout arabs wanting ta stay in israel was started when ya also said “What bullshit! You have documentation for that LIE? Of course you don't.” on page 3 after i said loadsa polls show they do. i provided tha facts & now ya say i'm provding a “strawman discourse”. you call me liar, i prove i'm not & then ya keep saying i strawman. how's that for dishonesty?

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RE: "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli o... - 2/28/2013 6:53:02 AM

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/27/israel-police-probe-apparent-hate-attack-on-arab-woman/

Israeli police on Wednesday confirmed they were investigating an apparent hate crime against an Arab woman in Jerusalem and said a policeman had been dismissed after praising the attack on Facebook.

The attack took place on Monday at one of the light rail stops in west Jerusalem, with an Israeli bystander capturing the event on camera then posting the account along with 14 photographs on her own Facebook page

“Suddenly shouts were heard, and a group of young religious Jewish women confronted the woman and suddenly a young Jewish woman punched her in the head,” she wrote, saying the rest then joined in, hitting and shoving the Arab woman.

She(Police spokeswoman Luba Samri) also said that a police officer had been dismissed after posting a comment on Facebook apparently praising the attack.

“A police officer was fired after he wrote on his Facebook: ‘Very good, sad the Arab bitch didn’t die’,” she said. “We view this as a serious incident.”

Arab Israeli MP Ahmed Tibi, who raised the issue in parliament, told AFP that anti-Arab racism was growing.

“The phenomenon of racism is spreading — we can see it from the continuing attacks on Arabs,” he said.

“Some police show their fascism on Facebook, and others through their actions in the field.”

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RE: "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli o... - 2/28/2013 6:56:20 AM

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all give tha impression its tha entire place when israel never annexed tha territory. plus tha op heading "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli official” does the same.

You are either incapable of recognizing that Israel is an occupying power and that the settlement movement contravenes the Fourth Geneva Convention or you resort to playing semantic games in order to deflect the ugly truth. I suspect the latter. Is why I call your position a strawman argument. All the more because your dicking about with words and phrases clouds the reality of oppression. It is a shameful and errmmm . . . cartoonish tactic, except the suffering and poverty of the Palestinians [who you dismiss as "paleys"] are not funny.

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RE: "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli o... - 2/28/2013 8:18:36 AM

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You are either incapable of recognizing that Israel is an occupying power and that the settlement movement contravenes the Fourth Geneva Convention

So what precisely should be done to a nation violating the 4th Geneva Convention and how should the rest of the world prioritize those actions?

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RE: "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli o... - 2/28/2013 1:10:09 PM

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You are either incapable of recognizing that Israel is an occupying power and that the settlement movement contravenes the Fourth Geneva Convention

So what precisely should be done to a nation violating the 4th Geneva Convention and how should the rest of the world prioritize those actions?

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2013/02/27/3120616/eu-diplomats-recommend-economic-sanctions-against-settlements
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=304741

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RE: "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli o... - 2/28/2013 1:52:05 PM

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You are either incapable of recognizing that Israel is an occupying power and that the settlement movement contravenes the Fourth Geneva Convention

So what precisely should be done to a nation violating the 4th Geneva Convention and how should the rest of the world prioritize those actions?

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2013/02/27/3120616/eu-diplomats-recommend-economic-sanctions-against-settlements
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=304741

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So crippling economic sanctions? And how should the implemtation of those sanctions be prioriritized? Should it be the country that violated the 4th first or the country that colonized the most conquered land or what?

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RE: "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli o... - 2/28/2013 2:00:09 PM

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So crippling economic sanctions? And how should the implemtation of those sanctions be prioriritized? Should it be the country that violated the 4th first or the country that colonized the most conquered land or what?

I think it will probably be the country that's doing it NOW.

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RE: "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli o... - 2/28/2013 2:40:51 PM

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So crippling economic sanctions? And how should the implemtation of those sanctions be prioriritized? Should it be the country that violated the 4th first or the country that colonized the most conquered land or what?

I think it will probably be the country that's doing it NOW.

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There are a lot of countries in that category. How do we prioritize which economies we destroy first?

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RE: "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli o... - 2/28/2013 3:03:48 PM

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There are a lot of countries in that category. How do we prioritize which economies we destroy first?

Where you get this "we" shit? The EU decides the EU's priorities, and they appear to have done so. Apparently the U.S. is determined to keep a tight grip on its ankles.

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RE: "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli o... - 2/28/2013 3:52:19 PM

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There are a lot of countries in that category. How do we prioritize which economies we destroy first?

Where you get this "we" shit? The EU decides the EU's priorities, and they appear to have done so. Apparently the U.S. is determined to keep a tight grip on its ankles.

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I asked what should be done to a country that violates the 4th geneva convention. You responded by linking two articles about EU officials desiring to impose sanctions on Israel. Since I know you would never break the TOS by responding off topic that means you think that sanctions should be imposed on those nations. Now I want to know in what order should those nation's economies be destroyed.

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RE: "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli o... - 2/28/2013 4:18:04 PM

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Since I know you would never break the TOS by responding off topic that means you think that sanctions should be imposed on those nations. Now I want to know in what order should those nation's economies be destroyed.

Since I know you will respond off topic when it suits your purposes, the present instance serving as a case in point, I'll remind you that the topic of this thread is Israel as an apartheid state. The EU's response to Israel's (arguably) apartheid policies is on topic, but in my opinion your attempted diversion is not. Sorry. Sometimes you catch a fish, sometimes you don't.

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RE: "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli o... - 2/28/2013 4:52:10 PM

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Since I know you would never break the TOS by responding off topic that means you think that sanctions should be imposed on those nations. Now I want to know in what order should those nation's economies be destroyed.

Since I know you will respond off topic when it suits your purposes, the present instance serving as a case in point, I'll remind you that the topic of this thread is Israel as an apartheid state. The EU's response to Israel's (arguably) apartheid policies is on topic, but in my opinion your attempted diversion is not. Sorry. Sometimes you catch a fish, sometimes you don't.

K.

It's already been established that Israel does not practice apartheid. That was settled on page 1.

So now that you have walked this far out on the plank you realized that perhaps you were being setup to be shown to be a hypocrtite of unusually epic proportions. Maybe you should have thought of that several posts earlier.

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RE: "Israel is an apartheid State": Israeli o... - 2/28/2013 5:11:22 PM

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It's already been established that Israel does not practice apartheid. That was settled on page 1.

So now that you have walked this far out on the plank you realized that perhaps you were being setup to be shown to be a hypocrtite of unusually epic proportions. Maybe you should have thought of that several posts earlier.

Actually, as far as I recall, I was the only poster who said I thought "apartheid" was a poor choice of words, precisely because it is arguable and therefore not likely to be "settled" either way, which is why I used the adjective "arguable" in my recent post, your opinion notwithstanding.

But now that you've walked this far out on a plank, do you have any more insults you'd like to try before giving up?

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