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How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s play?


Dominant female: It's a failure were he not to reach orgasm
  2% (3)
Dominant female: He is not allowed an orgasm (unless I say so).
  12% (15)
Dominant male: It's a failure were she not to reach orgasm
  23% (28)
Dominant male: She is not allowed an orgasm (unless I say so).
  14% (17)
Submissive female: It's a failure were I not to reach orgasm
  8% (10)
Submissive female: It's OK if I do not reach orgasmic delight.
  17% (21)
Submissive male: It's a failure were I not to reach orgasm
  3% (4)
Submissive male: It's OK if I do not reach orgasmic delight.
  16% (20)


Total Votes : 118


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RE: How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s ... - 3/19/2013 10:18:51 PM   
TwoHeartsBeatOne


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There is no failure in sex! What you call, "failure," I call - inspiration to keep trying. Practice, practice!

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RE: How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s ... - 3/19/2013 10:19:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
It's not necessarily sex. It's art. .



Well then, marriage is art, fucking is art, blowjobs are art, anal sex is art, tits are art, pussy is art, cocks are art, butts are art, whipping is art, handjobs are art, cunnilingus is art, felatio is art, french kissing is art, spanking is art ... ... ... ...

It's just total BS for anyone to even think it's not all about sex.

The next time the gf has a headache, I'll let her know it's not about sex - it's art!

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RE: How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s ... - 3/19/2013 10:28:22 PM   
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quote:

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Well then, marriage is art, fucking is art, blowjobs are art, anal sex is art, tits are art, pussy is art, cocks are art, butts are art, whipping is art, handjobs are art, cunnilingus is art, felatio is art, french kissing is art, spanking is art ... ... ... ...

It's just total BS for anyone to even think it's not all about sex.


The next time the gf has a headache, I'll let her know it's not about sex - it's art!

Any version of it being "all about" anything is rather limited. It's a shame you can't see that.

Might be why the girlfriend is getting headaches.



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RE: How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s ... - 3/19/2013 10:39:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: usemetopleaseyou


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact
It's not necessarily sex. It's art. .



Well then, marriage is art, fucking is art, blowjobs are art, anal sex is art, tits are art, pussy is art, cocks are art, butts are art, whipping is art, handjobs are art, cunnilingus is art, felatio is art, french kissing is art, spanking is art ... ... ... ...

It's just total BS for anyone to even think it's not all about sex.

The next time the gf has a headache, I'll let her know it's not about sex - it's art!



People have explained how it is for THEM throughout this thread. For some people , it is highly sexual, for some it is about service, for some about the play and when LP says art, I believe she is referring to rope work.

For me it is highly sexual, but I do not discount anyone else's views, as you are.

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RE: How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s ... - 3/19/2013 10:49:18 PM   
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Thank you, Red. That is exactly what I meant.

I can tie somebody and never even have sex enter My mind. It's not where My focus is. I'm just making this beautiful image. When I'm done, I admire the work. I connect with the bondage bunny. I let that person enjoy their head space. If it's the rare time that I take part in a suspension, I let them float and hit their happy place. When it's complete, and the finished product has been enjoyed, I start undoing the work. Aftercare as necessary.

Other people might do the same actions and to them, it might be sexual. It just isn't to everyone.


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RE: How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s ... - 3/19/2013 11:00:12 PM   
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I don't have a standard answer for your question so I didn't select one.
It depends on the activities we're engaging in. There are times when I'm using her for my pleasure, to bring me to orgasm.
So it's not about how many orgasms she has, if any. (She actually finds it very hot to be used for my orgasms while not being allowed any of her own.)
There are times when I'm using her for my pleasure, to "flex my muscles" and control everything she is/does/feels. There could be pain, or any other number of things involved. Many times when we've played this way, she's had so many orgasms she's ready to pass out. At the same time, I haven't had a single one, and don't feel the need to. In those times, it's about the control. As I told her many years ago: "I don't always cum, but I always get off."
Those are the times when our play is sexual. It's D/s and it's sexual. But times when she's making my tea or doing my laundry. That's also D/s, but it's certainly not sexual.
So... Too many variables for me to pick one option.

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RE: How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s ... - 3/19/2013 11:01:27 PM   
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If it's not about sex, then it's merely art.

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RE: How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s ... - 3/20/2013 4:42:10 AM   
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as a male submissive, i find that only the potential for an orgasm is the incentive to continue. as with most ales after an orgasm/ejaculation enthusiam to participate in a session is temporailly reduced. as far as continuing in an ongoing submissive role or position with a Mistress, chastity control works very well for me, creating the desire to stay with a mistress and continue as her submissive.

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RE: How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s ... - 3/20/2013 4:46:10 AM   
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~fast reply~
I could not answer this question because Carol and I do not do "D/s" play in the way it's meant here. I just tell her to do shit and she does because that's how both of us are "wired". Accordingly, it isn't about having an orgasm at all. It's about not feeling terribly uncomfortable.

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RE: How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s ... - 3/20/2013 6:45:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cuffkinks

I don't have a standard answer for your question so I didn't select one.
It depends on the activities we're engaging in. There are times when I'm using her for my pleasure, to bring me to orgasm.
So it's not about how many orgasms she has, if any. (She actually finds it very hot to be used for my orgasms while not being allowed any of her own.)
There are times when I'm using her for my pleasure, to "flex my muscles" and control everything she is/does/feels. There could be pain, or any other number of things involved. Many times when we've played this way, she's had so many orgasms she's ready to pass out. At the same time, I haven't had a single one, and don't feel the need to. In those times, it's about the control. As I told her many years ago: "I don't always cum, but I always get off."
Those are the times when our play is sexual. It's D/s and it's sexual. But times when she's making my tea or doing my laundry. That's also D/s, but it's certainly not sexual.
So... Too many variables for me to pick one option.


To me, this is a pretty perfect description of how I also see it, from the sub guys side. If I get one, that's ok. But in the main, its about the pleasure of being with someone I like and respect, and to whom I've given the responsibility for taking care of me in the way they want. I'm totally happy if they cum as often as they want, and I never get one, as long as the relationship stays strong. Wierd really; because I do see bdsm in a sexual context; but sex is more than just cumming, as far as I'm concerned.

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RE: How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s ... - 3/20/2013 8:49:34 AM   
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Well, I should probably put My two-cents in, since I am one of those Big Bad Orgasm-Denying Dominants (BBODD's?).
For Me D/s interactions are about the PSYCHOLOGICAL aspect, helping them achieve that submissive mindset, "subspace", etc. that they cannot get from "vanilla" interactions. For many subs achieving this submissive mindset is the goal, the very REASON they have sought a Dominant, to focus on doing what pleases their Dominant, deriving their own pleasure from either making their Dominant's life easier, or from working on a goal/path their Dominant has chosen. This submissive mindset can be prolonged for days or weeks, or even permanently depending on the relationship. Some say orgasm denial helps to increase this submissive feeling, and personally I love the beautiful psychological and physiological changes that take place in orgasm-denied males at around the 3-week mark (a change in the physical senses, as well as a marked increase in work productivity/motivation)...but I have read and heard from submissives that orgasm actually INTERRUPTS that, because after the orgasm is over it takes awhile for the submissive mindset to return...and they lose focus.
My D/s relationships have often been GOAL-ORIENTED, therefore in O/our case FOCUS and MINDSET are very important.

Also, I suspect most people here who can't imagine D/s interactions without orgasm are actually confusing D/s as BDSM--tying someone up/spanking them, etc. However, D/s doesn't necessarily involve BDSM "dungeon" activities, actually it often DOES NOT...D/s is often Ritual-driven, as in DAILY rituals, and usually is simply things like doing the laundry and making sure dinner is ready when Dominant gets home from work, or completing a particular Task that Dominant has assigned (get a haircut, lose 10 lbs this month, learn how to make sushi)...activities where an "orgasm expected" mentality makes no sense whatsoever.

I suppose I can understand that BDSM type "Play" in itself can serve as a strong aphrodisiac...the adrenyline, the endorphines, the increase blood flow to the skin and extremities, but like I said, D/s doesn't necessarily include any of this but is instead about Rituals, service, team work.
To Me it seems orgasm can be achieved by ANYONE, they don't even need a partner to achieve it, and since orgasm is produced by your body's biology practicing kink won't suddenly make your orgasms any more magical than a vanilla's. Practicing kink doesn't automaticially make one better in bed, it just means you're KINKY about it, therefore I file orgasms under the heading "Vanilla", and the Dominant/submissive mindset is actually what makes the D/s relationship SPECIAL. I find it sad that so many people are missing out on this experience ("subspace" mindset), by only seeking orgasm. It's like they've taken the shortcut thereby missing out on the Journey.
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RE: How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s ... - 3/20/2013 8:59:45 AM   
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How important is a submissive's orgasm to my BDSM? Simple answer is that it isn't important for me. Fact of the matter is that I just fucking LOVE control in all it's forms. So if its controlling someone else's orgasms, it's win-win happy fun time for me.

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RE: How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s ... - 3/20/2013 10:14:50 AM   
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While the votes are only at about 50, I find it interesting that the Dominant females don't feel orgasm is anywhere near as important for their partners as do the Dominant males to date.

1 Dominant female felt it was important while 15 Dominant males did.

This explains a lot!


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RE: How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s ... - 3/20/2013 12:50:38 PM   
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Yeah. It explains why most of the "it's all about sex" comments came from men.


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RE: How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s ... - 3/20/2013 6:11:13 PM   
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I'm okay with those days when I can't orgasm. But his favorite play is forced orgasm. He considers it a failure if I can walk afterwards.

However he views bondage as art, him the artist, me the canvas. Let's just say it's erotic art.

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RE: How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s ... - 3/20/2013 9:55:30 PM   
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I wonder if more males are drawn to give/cause female sub orgasms because there is that sort of aura(i cant think of a better word) of unmanliness SOME guys feels when their partner doesn't orgasm. And on the flip side, for some guys, there is great personal reward in causing a female orgasm. Possibly because a female orgasm is more challenging? (at least that's a popular thought in many minds) Picture the puffed out chest and the "Yeah, I did that" face a man gives you after you have a mind blowing orgasm.

The road to a male orgasm is a bit clearer for some, and isn't always seen as the ultimate goal like a female orgasm might be. Since it's easily accessible, it's more of something to toy with and use as opposed to something you're trying to achieve.

I enjoy having my husband have an orgasm during sexy time because I think it's incredibly hot to watch. And I also get that "yeah, I did that!" feeling which makes ME feel awesome. But he's been my little house maid wench all day, and not once have I thought about either one of us having an orgasm. (k, that's a lie, but you get what I mean, yea?)

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RE: How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s ... - 3/20/2013 10:15:55 PM   
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I generally don't have any sexual contact in my sessions and if a male sub gets a hard on I kick him in the shin. When there is sex involved the bottom orgasming feels like a failure to me as I make an extra special effort to make it as unpleasant for them as possible.

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RE: How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s ... - 3/21/2013 5:49:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: itsapixie

But he's been my little house maid wench all day, and not once have I thought about either one of us having an orgasm. (k, that's a lie, but you get what I mean, yea?)


I think this is the crux of the difference. Studies show that men think sexual thoughts, fleeting but still sexual, every few minutes.Women could easily go hours without thinking something sexual.


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RE: How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s ... - 3/21/2013 5:57:11 AM   
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Would YOU consider a D/s play session a failure if your partner did NOT achieve orgasm?


No there are all sorts of D/s play sessions where neither partner orgasms, orgasms have nothing to do with the goal. There are other things people do for fun, it's not all orgasm or failure.

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ORIGINAL: pompeii
Yet, clearly, there were Dommes who regard strict chastity as an integral part of the D/s game, and, according to that thread, they don't desire, expect, nor attempt to provide direct orgasmic stimuli for the submissive under their control.


I don't think you understand this kink. Keep in mind that vanilla's are likely having the same sort of confusion about your kinks. Stuff that you're not into generally isn't going to make a lot of sense. No lack of orgasm doesn't equal failure, hell sometimes lack of an orgasm is the point. That doesn't mean that one's partners orgasms aren't important, the dynamic is more complex than that.


Unless you're talking about pro-dommes in which case yeah he's not going to cum because she doesn't want to be considered a hooker in the eyes of the law.

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RE: How important is a submissive's orgasm in your D/s ... - 3/21/2013 6:00:15 AM   
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If it's not about sex, then it's merely art.


There's a lot more to relationships than sex or art.

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