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Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 10:14:53 AM

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Ok, so let me get this straight -

Florida legislators considering a bill to require abortionists to provide medical care to an infant who survives an abortion were shocked during a committee hearing this week when a Planned Parenthood official endorsed a right to post-birth abortion.

"So, um, it is just really hard for me to even ask you this question because I’m almost in disbelief," said Rep. Jim Boyd. "If a baby is born on a table as a result of a botched abortion, what would Planned Parenthood want to have happen to that child that is struggling for life?”

"We believe that any decision that's made should be left up to the woman, her family, and the physician," said Planned Parenthood lobbyist Snow.

“I think that at that point the patient would be the child struggling on the table, wouldn’t you agree?” asked Oliva.

"That’s a very good question. I really don’t know how to answer that," Snow said. "I would be glad to have some more conversations with you about this.”

Vid at link.

Unbelievable. I doubt she voted for Romney.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 10:22:55 AM

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Ah the war on women continues......using code phrases and fake concern.....

And you`d be better believed if you posted from Mad magazine than from the weakly standard.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 10:26:14 AM

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Ah the war on women continues......using code phrases and fake concern.....

And you`d be better believed if you posted from Mad magazine than from the weakly standard.

Attack the messenger (WS), and ignore the fucking vid.

Priceless

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 10:27:37 AM

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So, someone sort of got confused by a dipshit?

Is it the middle of an abortion and the live baby pops out on the table you find to be fucking imbecilic, and if not, why not?

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 10:30:22 AM

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Do the crazy religious nuts even bother trying to hide that they're insane anymore?

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 10:36:25 AM

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Ah the war on women continues......using code phrases and fake concern.....

And you`d be better believed if you posted from Mad magazine than from the weakly standard.

Attack the messenger (WS), and ignore the fucking vid.

Priceless

It`s not dishonest to point out a extremist rag like the weakly standard.

Same with WND,bratfart or any of the others.

Just pointing out that your wasting your time here,on these boards.....with those sites.

If you`re going to let someone else do your thinking for you,at least let it be someone who isn`t part of the right wing fringe.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 10:39:33 AM

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i would ask how common it is for an abortion to produce a living baby that is left on the table struggling for life. i'm sure that it happens sometimes... especially with later term abortions... but is it so common that they would have to ask that question? and why is it a bad answer to say that it is up to the family of the fetus?

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 10:44:12 AM

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I am not 100% sure of this, but I think no matter what stage of pregnancy, if a baby is born alive then it is considered a person.....so actively killing it would be against the law.....so I'm not sure why the question was even posed. Obviously, if a baby was born alive, it would be a medical professional's legal responsibility not to actively end the baby's life, right?

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 10:44:54 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

Ah the war on women continues......using code phrases and fake concern.....

And you`d be better believed if you posted from Mad magazine than from the weakly standard.

Attack the messenger (WS), and ignore the fucking vid.

Priceless

It`s not dishonest to point out a extremist rag like the weakly standard.

Same with WND,bratfart or any of the others.

Just pointing out that your wasting your time here,on these boards.....with those sites.

If you`re going to let someone else do your thinking for you,at least let it be someone who isn`t part of the right wing fringe.

You can't address the vid, can you?

Is the WS misreporting? Hardly. How typically leftist, given the content.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 10:50:05 AM

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i would ask how common it is for an abortion to produce a living baby that is left on the table struggling for life. i'm sure that it happens sometimes... especially with later term abortions... but is it so common that they would have to ask that question? and why is it a bad answer to say that it is up to the family of the fetus?

I would also question how common it is for a baby to survive an attempted abortion. That being said, if it happens even once, it would be good for there to be legal guidance as to the procedures and obligations of the various parties in such a situation.

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that it does indeed happen on occasion...leaving it up to the family of the baby isn't all that great of an answer. Before the abortion, fine, the fetus wasn't a person. Assuming that the fetus survives the abortion procedure somehow, and is carrying on the functions of life (breathing, a heartbeat, etc.), it's no longer simply a fetus. At that point, it's a person, and any doctor would have an obligation to care for that person and attempt to save their lives. If the mother didn't want the baby before starting the procedure, I'd guess that it's unlikely she would after the baby managed to survive. Post-birth abortion would essentially be murder of a living infant.

Not that there would be anything wrong with giving the child up for adoption at that point, nor would there be an issue with the mother having a change of heart and trying to keep the baby.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 10:50:33 AM

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I'm not sure why the question was even posed.

It's implicit in that it was posed, the reason for her being there. The reason is that because the abortion mistakenly resulted in a live child capable of continuing that state, the child should be governed, not by the law respecting a live human being, but still as a fetus capable of being terminated. That was the underlying premise of the decision being between the mother and attending abortionist.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 10:53:50 AM

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So, someone sort of got confused by a dipshit?

Is it the middle of an abortion and the live baby pops out on the table you find to be fucking imbecilic, and if not, why not?

There is some confusion in researching google between live birth abortions and fetuses born alive during a 'botched' abortion. Live birth abortions are allegedly caused by deliberatly induced labor. Nothing botched about that. The Florida legislators were suggesting a situation where the abortion is botched and the fetus is delivered in the presence of the abortion doctor. Maybe Yachtie can cite a case where that happened. I wasn't able to find one.

Also, the woman in the video was asked about what the abortion Doc should do. She rightly remarked that since she is not a physician she was not qualified to make that judgment.

I wonder if this is a bogus issue.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 10:56:08 AM

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i would ask how common it is for an abortion to produce a living baby that is left on the table struggling for life. i'm sure that it happens sometimes... especially with later term abortions... but is it so common that they would have to ask that question? and why is it a bad answer to say that it is up to the family of the fetus?

the Supreme Court has ruled that abortion is legal only up to 'viability' which is taken as 24 or 28 weeks. So, the states have plenty of room to legislate without creating false hysteria for the pro life cause.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 10:57:15 AM

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I'm not sure why the question was even posed.

It's implicit in that it was posed, the reason for her being there. The reason is that because the abortion mistakenly resulted in a live child capable of continuing that state, the child should be governed, not by the law respecting a live human being, but still as a fetus capable of being terminated. That was the underlying premise of the decision being between the mother and attending abortionist.

It seems to have been a hypothetical. Did it ever really happen? I don't think so.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 11:02:01 AM

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I was actually being a bit facetious when I wondered why the question was even posed....because once a real live little person is on that table (regardless of what led up to him/her getting there....I cannot imagine any moral person looking at that struggling, live human being and saying, "Oops, better kill him/her."

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 11:08:48 AM

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It seems to have been a hypothetical. Did it ever really happen? I don't think so.

It's irrelevant whether such has actually ever happened. It's the nature of what is being argued for, which the questioners most definitely understood.

But as to did it ever really happen?

"There are about 138,000 abortions that take place annually in the European nation."

A doctor aborted a 22-week old disabled baby boy in Italy. But guess what? The baby survived! Then doctors left him to die soon after.

The mother of this baby decided to abort him because prenatal scans showed that the baby was disabled.

A priest of the Rossano Calabria hospital, Father Antonio Martello, found the baby alive 20 hours from the time of the abortion was done. "Martello had wanted to pray over the baby but the newspaper indicates he found the child wrapped in a sheet with his umbilical cord still attached and he was moving and breathing."

Note that the baby was found alive by a priest, not cared for by the abortionist.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 11:23:57 AM

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It's irrelevant whether such has actually ever happened. It's the nature of what is being argued for, which the questioners most definitely understood.

Exactly a dipshit asks the dipshit question. And what honest consideration do we owe that?

Let's just say hypothetically, Yachtie, if you woke up and found your cunt filled up with cement, would you write a contract to have Jesus chip it out for you?

And fuck that examiner quote. Not a credible citation. And not a anecdote that will serve as a synecdoche in any case.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 11:35:03 AM

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Do you understand what "viable" means? A "story" without legitimate documentation to back it up as fact is just that. I'm sure Tazzy will chime in soon with an explanation of the viability of a 22 week fetus.

As for the other video, the woman was talking about an abortion at SEVEN AND A HALF MONTHS. Exactly when was this? That certainly isn't legal in this day and age, since at that point, the fetus is completely viable.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 11:40:31 AM

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It's irrelevant whether such has actually ever happened. It's the nature of what is being argued for, which the questioners most definitely understood.

Exactly a dipshit asks the dipshit question. And what honest consideration do we owe that?

Let's just say hypothetically, Yachtie, if you woke up and found your cunt filled up with cement, would you write a contract to have Jesus chip it out for you?

And fuck that examiner quote. Not a credible citation. And not a anecdote that will serve as a synecdoche in any case.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 12:25:08 PM

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Perhaps the Florida Doctor can claim self defense and he had to stand his ground against the rampaging newborn.

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