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ORIGINAL: Aswad

I considered dissecting some of this, but your blatant misandry is just too disgusting to touch.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: Aswad
I considered dissecting some of this, but your blatant misandry is just too disgusting to touch.

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

When I review the most recent horrible mass violence that has occurred in this country I come up with certain patterns. Young males, most who are psychologically unstable (and either undiagnosed or not properly treated), most who feel marginalized in some way by the society they are in, and most who have relatively easy access to weaponry and weapons building know-how - that seems to be the profile. (In writing the above I am thinking of the Boston bombings, Sandy Hook school shootings, Columbine and other high school shootings, Aurora theatre shooting, - I am sure there are others that fit what I describe also.) Also, when I read the descriptions of the older brother who committed the Boston bombing he sounds like he was, at the very least, suffering from clinical depression, if not other more serious psychological issues, in addition to certainly feeling marginalized.

I really feel there is more in common with the above set of incidents than not. Disaffection can be experienced by people who grew up their whole lives here, or not. And in unstable, typically males, it often leads to violence. The above profile seems to fit whether one wants to attach the term "terrorism" to the acts or not.

This is a really open-ended statement, but I am wondering if there are any other ways we, as a society, can effectively identify the young males who are at higher risk of committing mass violence before they start to really unravel? Why do young men sometimes end up feeling marginalized? Or, is the problem of disaffected youth simply part of human history? Something that will never go away and something that can never be controlled or channelled in more positive directions? There is a certain "rebel without a cause" aspect to all of the above - and, of course, in some cases, the rebels attach themselves to a cause, but only long after they've reached a certain breaking point. In other words, when there is a cause, it seems to come late in the game - not at the beginning, they are like "rebel searching for a cause". (I'm not advocating an end to anti-terrorism efforts - I am simply suggesting there might be another way to view all of the above acts).

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

A good place to start might be to stop instilling outdated and obsolete notions of masculinity into young boys' minds.

You'll note some of us cave dweller types fail to see anything masculine about what was done in Boston.

I considered dissecting some of this, but your blatant misandry is just too disgusting to touch.

IWYW,
— Aswad.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

A good place to start might be to stop instilling outdated and obsolete notions of masculinity into young boys' minds.

You'll note some of us cave dweller types fail to see anything masculine about what was done in Boston.

I considered dissecting some of this, but your blatant misandry is just too disgusting to touch.

IWYW,
— Aswad.

Well pardon me for interrupting a discussion where the boys decide what a female's priorities in selecting a 'mating' partner might be .......

If I ever encounter a woman who makes choices about who's going to father her children based on risk-takers vs aggressors I might get back to you.

Until then please feel free to waffle on.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

A good place to start might be to stop instilling outdated and obsolete notions of masculinity into young boys' minds.

You'll note some of us cave dweller types fail to see anything masculine about what was done in Boston.

I considered dissecting some of this, but your blatant misandry is just too disgusting to touch.

IWYW,
— Aswad.

Well pardon me for interrupting a discussion where the boys decide what a female's priorities in selecting a 'mating' partner might be .......

If I ever encounter a woman who makes choices about who's going to father her children based on risk-takers vs aggressors I might get back to you.

Until then please feel free to waffle on.

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ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280

Yet do you really want some snivelling, crying boy who can't man up and get things done?

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ORIGINAL: Aswad
You'll note some of us cave dweller types fail to see anything masculine about what was done in Boston.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
From infancy boys are trained to suppress their feelings and emotions, that expressing these feelings and emotions is (heaven forbid!) unmanly. How can we expect troubled youths to reach out for help when all their lives they have been trained to do the precise opposite? We fill them with the false notion that the very act of reaching out is unmanly, that the feelings and emotions they need to address and talk through are not for sharing, that 'real men' just "grin and bear it" stupidlystoically.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
Well pardon me for interrupting a discussion where the boys decide what a female's priorities in selecting a 'mating' partner might be .......

If I ever encounter a woman who makes choices about who's going to father her children based on risk-takers vs aggressors I might get back to you.

Until then please feel free to waffle on.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

As someone who's lived in a cave I'll add my grunt of agreement to that.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

Holy crap that's so racist.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

What? Where did that come from, Aswad?

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Well pardon me for interrupting a discussion where the boys decide what a female's priorities in selecting a 'mating' partner might be .......

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If I ever encounter a woman who makes choices about who's going to father her children based on risk-takers vs aggressors I might get back to you.

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Until then please feel free to waffle on.

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

I think the word you're looking for is misandrist?

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

What? Where did that come from, Aswad?

You're joking, right?

Men aren't defective women, contrary to "some" women's postings, however sweetly they coat it with "understanding" of us defectives.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


Generally and historically speaking people are welcomed with open arms in the UK.

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

When I review the most recent horrible mass violence that has occurred in this country I come up with certain patterns. Young males, most who are psychologically unstable (and either undiagnosed or not properly treated), most who feel marginalized in some way by the society they are in, and most who have relatively easy access to weaponry and weapons building know-how - that seems to be the profile. (In writing the above I am thinking of the Boston bombings, Sandy Hook school shootings, Columbine and other high school shootings, Aurora theatre shooting, - I am sure there are others that fit what I describe also.) Also, when I read the descriptions of the older brother who committed the Boston bombing he sounds like he was, at the very least, suffering from clinical depression, if not other more serious psychological issues, in addition to certainly feeling marginalized.

I really feel there is more in common with the above set of incidents than not. Disaffection can be experienced by people who grew up their whole lives here, or not. And in unstable, typically males, it often leads to violence. The above profile seems to fit whether one wants to attach the term "terrorism" to the acts or not.

This is a really open-ended statement, but I am wondering if there are any other ways we, as a society, can effectively identify the young males who are at higher risk of committing mass violence before they start to really unravel? Why do young men sometimes end up feeling marginalized? Or, is the problem of disaffected youth simply part of human history? Something that will never go away and something that can never be controlled or channelled in more positive directions? There is a certain "rebel without a cause" aspect to all of the above - and, of course, in some cases, the rebels attach themselves to a cause, but only long after they've reached a certain breaking point. In other words, when there is a cause, it seems to come late in the game - not at the beginning, they are like "rebel searching for a cause". (I'm not advocating an end to anti-terrorism efforts - I am simply suggesting there might be another way to view all of the above acts).

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ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280

My issue is that so many young men are unstable...merely age and hormons makes them so. Yet, so many don't do something horrifying as such. I remember a number of isolated, unstable males in high school, and not a one of them went on a killing spree.

How many of them joined the military? Of course that sort of killing spree is quite acceptable.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Very insightful, ftp. The fact such violence is hardly ever found in young women leads me to suspect it is a nature/nurture characteristic. We do quite a lot to channel male aggression into sports and other forms of competition. Working in the Chicago commodities pits comes to mind. Inviting them to join the Military as well. Public schooling is all about channeling aggression away from violence. Some simply are beyond reach.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


Generally and historically speaking people are welcomed with open arms in the UK.

Have you ever read "the history of the english speaking people". It was written by winston churchill a pretty well known britt. According to him "generally and historically speaking" your statement is less than accurate concerning different ethnicities at different times.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

some of the killers were created by being bullied at school, more can be done by the schools by enforcing a zero tollerance for that behaviour..

but apart from that, there will always be some killers in every country in every society... there are psychopaths and those can not be easily identified or stopped (until after they have acted and hurt/killed someone)..

Interesting when I was in school back in the 60s bullies were dealt with in a more direct personal matter.
The first thing stopped by zero tolerence is self defence.
My niece was attacked by another girl when she was in high school and was given a greater suspension for defending herself than the attacker got.
The principal explained that fighting back showed a lack of self control which was, in his view, worse than the initial attack.

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ORIGINAL: Level

home schooling seems smarter and smarter. Give kids a chance at turning out ok.