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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/5/2013 2:54:30 AM   
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I have the Arthurian Legend pack, if it's the same as mine (Caitlin & John Matthews), the artwork, as you say is lovely, but, it does have some crucial differences to the Rider Waite, in that the Matthews' have a Grail Quest thing going on that differs from the normal Tarot ethos.
But it is a lovely deck.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/5/2013 3:04:15 AM   
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I must admit that I never use reversals, it's a cop out, Tarot cards are like people, they react differently in different social situations, so do the cards, the meanings subtly change in relationship to the cards around them, & to say a card means something when upright & means the opposite reversed is a bit of a cheat.
How do you find the circular deck?

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/5/2013 3:08:01 AM   
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I must admit I haven't heard of Rachel Pollack, I'll have to do some research, What drew you to the Haindl deck?

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/5/2013 3:11:53 AM   
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I'm thinking of playing around with my new deck!


Hi TND!

Spread them all out, make up little stories, or films with what you see, as you move about or watch tv, shuffle them, get used to the size of them & their weight in your hands. Is it the deck with the Barbara Moore guide book in the set? I've made up my mind, this Thursday, I'm going to buy a Steampunk deck myself !

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I'm not sure which ones they are. They are called angel cards. When I find them I'll let ya know. The steam punk ones are beautiful!

I thought this thread would be dead in the water, but you were right though, thanks for your encouragement .

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/5/2013 3:26:07 AM   
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Awwww anytime.
Ok so my cards are Angel cards by Doreen Virture and steam punk cards by Barbra Moore.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/5/2013 3:44:52 AM   
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Awwww anytime.
Ok so my cards are Angel cards by Doreen Virture and steam punk cards by Barbra Moore.


Get stuck in to Barbara Moore, she's a great writer & she'll just carry you along & stoke your enthusiasm for the deck, never read anything by Doreen Virtue, but, others tell me she's very good too.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/5/2013 8:53:26 AM   
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I must admit I haven't heard of Rachel Pollack, I'll have to do some research, What drew you to the Haindl deck?

Rachel Pollack has been around a long time, written probably a dozen books on tarot. The Haindl deck is maybe a little darker, more intense, and has some imagery that speaks to me more than decks like the popular Waite deck. It you look on www.tarot.com, you can choose from a variety of decks and see how you feel about the imagery on the cards.


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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/5/2013 8:55:50 AM   
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I must admit that I never use reversals, it's a cop out, Tarot cards are like people, they react differently in different social situations, so do the cards, the meanings subtly change in relationship to the cards around them, & to say a card means something when upright & means the opposite reversed is a bit of a cheat.
How do you find the circular deck?

Rachel Pollack says that reversed cards usually just mean that the energy of the card is blocked in some way.
Gary, how do you interpret court cards? I have a really hard time with them.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/5/2013 9:39:32 AM   
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A tarot forum...very cool idea. I've been into the tarot since I was about 22. I've learned a lot about them since then, but I am by no means an expert. I'm what some people call a "sensitive"...meaning I can often see or hear spirits, even though it scares me a bit. Sometimes when I read for someone, I get other impressions about the person or situation that isn't always from the cards. Its very strange, a bit frightening, but usually very interesting. I guess we all use and interpret the cards in our own way. Has anyone ever done a long distance reading? Like if the seeker is on the phone with you. Do you do the reading in some other way if the person is not able to shuffle the cards themself?


I just thought, as you have a Tarot pack, it might be an interesting idea if you picked out five cards 1. Work
2. Home
3. Unexpected
4. Your Actions
5. Outcome
Put them down on this forum.
This would give an overview of your day, & we could all try & interpret the spread, & see how good we really are Everyone can volunteer. Like an Eng Lit exam there's no 'right' answer.

I think this would be a great idea. And I'll give it try tomorrow morning.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/5/2013 10:05:32 AM   
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garyFLR I got my first Mother Peace deck in 1989 in Lewisham - small world! :) My first post on this thread begins with a link to the card deck with images. Also, facade dot com is free and fun.

My issue with the angular cards is not so much about it being a cheat - rather, it's kind of irrelevant and useless. By that I mean that judging whether something is good or bad, positive or negative - polarities, if you will; are too limiting, and if there is a need to take a "side," that is sole-y for the querent to decide. For example, "I got fired from my job today." The cards can show the circumstance but labeling it as "good" or "bad" - that's for each of us to decide for ourselves, in our own time.

As for the circular cards... picture a clock face (LOL, old school), so noon to midnight and back again around the clock. Using "tilts" as a marker of sorts, you can gage the energy flow. I'll use the 5 of swords as an example because it is an easy one to understand. Please keep in mind the clock face and the fact that the circular cards still have an upright or reversed position... but add tilts. From 6 to 12, the left side of the circle, the energy is either stifled, turned inward or coming from outside &/or, from the past. From 12 to 6, the right side of the circle, the energy is being sent out from you. This will be clear just below.

The Five of Swords - 5 = disruption, change and Swords = mental realm, thought
The core spiritual energy of the 5 of swords is shifting energy and challenging thoughts. Those thoughts then inspire emotions. Emotions are the energy of motion -so action follows.

When the 5 of swords is at 12 o'clock it shows a mean, nasty thought. When the top is at the following hours, the meanings shift.

12 - mean & nasty thought / dissatisfaction / tolerance
1 - disapproval - a "look"
2 - cursing/ anger
3 - raised voice
4 - full out argument now
5 - outburst, may be physical violence or throwing things

Notice the escalation of the nasty energy and that the energy is being "sent" outwards

5:59 - homicide

Now, the left side of the 5 of swords (same energy, but now it turns inwards)

11 - sadness
10 - crying
9 - depression
8- drinking, gambling, etc... spiritual danger zones
7 -self-harm, cutting, grief


6:01 - suicide

Please notice that 5:59 is homicide and 6:01 is suicide. So, what then, is 6:00? The creative way out, using the energy for spiritual growth... the energy came to such an intensity that "something" must change. The original "mean thought" becomes so intolerable that it bursts and sends the querent into growth and change.

There's more to it, than that, of course. For instance, positions, spreads and anything unique to that person will affect the skeletal meanings I just listed by clock face, at hour, tilts.

Anyone else want to jump in and describe how they read the 5 of Swords?

And, I want to add this... what comes to mind, in the querent, is equal, if not more important, than what flows through the reader's mind, while reading.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/5/2013 11:13:00 AM   
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I shall certainly look into Rachel Pollack.
Personally I see the court cards as human representations of the element of the suit they're in, energies & properties that help us work through aspects or difficulties of our lives, giving advice maybe. Try linking a 'difficult' court card with a friend with similar personality traits, then it can stick in the head more easily.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/5/2013 11:33:21 AM   
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Rachael Pollack is an amazing community treasure in the field of Tarot. I heard her lecture at the Bay Area Tarot Symposium 5 years ago. She's written numerous books on the topic with clarity and authority. from time to time she appears at the San Jose convention PANTHEACON and is available for readings there.

http://www.amazon.com/Rachel-Pollack/e/B000AQ2PH0

Her wikipedia heading

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Pollack

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/5/2013 11:46:49 AM   
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While on the topic of community treasures in Tarot I would also like to recommend the works of Mary Greer ( http://www.amazon.com/Mary-K.-Greer/e/B000APVWUC/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1 ) Her masterwork 21 WAYS TO READ A TAROT CARD discusses the confluence of many different vectors of meaning a card can have from Numerology (the number of the card) to element, color, astrological attribution, Kabalistic attribution, metaphor - and how you can take ALL that seriously or not! in all of the works I have read on the topic she has the most readble and common sense approach to becoming a seer.

Her lecture this spring on The History of the Tarot was amazing! SO many works of Tarot authority start their book with a section of spurious fluff about where the tarot got its beginnings. She went to Europe and found places and recorded the probably places and times where Tarot began - with stuff like evidence! If you ever get a moment with her to get a moment with her cards, please do not miss this opportunity.

I have started commenting without introduction. I'm Dan - I've studied Tarot and divination forms for the last 36 years. I was owner/manager of a metaphysical book store many years ago and spent 5 years satisfying a book-a-day hunger in the field of Divination, magic, and pagan spiritual traditions. not to hold myself high - ANY reader with an eye and voice can use the tools. I listen to everyone from scholars to madmen in Bedlam. I have come to share, not pose in the New Age dick measuring contest.

I admire your courage and interest in the topic. More people have dished derision than praise on my studies. I hope to help any seeker.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/5/2013 12:16:14 PM   
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Hi Dan,

That does it, I'm really going to check out this Rachel Pollack Lady!

I read '21 Ways To Read A Tarot Card' by Mary Greer, many years ago, I would recommend it as a set text for anyone studying the Tarot.

Another great book that has a Jungian perspective is 'Personal Development With The Tarot' by Catherine Summers & Julian Vayne.


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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/5/2013 12:30:09 PM   
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Lewisham? I was born near there . Crystal Palace!

I agree with you, I don't set much store by polarities, being sacked from your job, could turn out to be good thing. To paraphrase John Steinbeck, there's no such thing as good & bad, just things people do.

Your exposition of the darker side of the 5 of swords, has certainly got me thinking about that card in ways that hadn't occurred to me. You could have picked a happier card though .


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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/5/2013 3:55:24 PM   
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Lewisham? I was born near there . Crystal Palace!

I agree with you, I don't set much store by polarities, being sacked from your job, could turn out to be good thing. To paraphrase John Steinbeck, there's no such thing as good & bad, just things people do.

Your exposition of the darker side of the 5 of swords, has certainly got me thinking about that card in ways that hadn't occurred to me. You could have picked a happier card though .




I think that we may fundamentally differ in our perspectives and relationships with the cards. When you write, "You could have picked a happier card though.," I understand that to mean that you think some cards are happy and some cards are not happy. I hold no such view. Value judgments, such as good/bad, higher/lower, more/less, etc... have nothing to do with spiritual Tarot reading. The notion that a card is happy or unhappy simply doesn't compute, for me.

I understand that you mean perhaps I could have used The Sun as an example. In this I need to point out things like: sunburn, sand fleas, jellyfish - literally and potentially, the energy of The Sun may be for good or for ill. Which it is, or to what degrees it may good or bad, the energy of the Sun will radiate.

It's a paradigm shift. I don't read tarot looking for good or bad, instead, (as a reader), I wish to be of spiritual service to another, I wish that what they need to know will be revealed and with that, the question becomes (for the seeker), "Where am I at in the process of learning spiritual lessons (the key to each of the Arcana)?"

When the core question in a tarot reading is about core spiritual energies, then there can be no "happy" or "unhappy" cards. Opinions will differ. I tend to think of the polarities as good for parlor games and pure silliness, but totally useless in terms of deep divination.

Also, I'd like to add that I am so much a part of my cards and they are so much a part of me, that I usually interpret things in terms of tarot arcana. Much in the same way some may interpret things according to a religious view of things. I "think" in tarot, to put it simply. :)

Sorry everyone, slightly off-topic here - I was married in Lewisham and honeymooned at the Crystal Palace Hotel, where they held a psychic fair. That is where my first Mother Peace deck was bought for me. The cards are huge and difficult to handle so last year I bought the new version which only differ in their much smaller size. Anyway, "Cheers, to Lewisham and to Lewisham's sons."


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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/6/2013 12:28:11 AM   
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I must admit that I may just have been pulling your leg a little, by referring to 'happy' cards . As I've mentioned earlier, cards behave differently in relation to the surrounding cards, so I think we do sing from the same song sheet. I look forward to reading your contributions as they are always considered & insightful. Swords, of all the suits have a reputation of being difficult & tricky. Representing the element of air, they deal primarily with the thought process & new ideas, & thinking always gets you into trouble. It certainly does me!
I also agree with your analogy using The Sun, stay too long in its domain & you get sun burnt, that's why we have the feminine dark quietness of The Moon to counter balance. In fact stay too long in the realm of any of the cards & you'll experience trouble. The Tarot is all about movement, a journey, stay too long in one place & you stagnate. I will try to refrain from using terms like good & bad though.
I do try to enhance spiritual links with my cards, it's easier with some decks than with others, but, I do find it difficult to get into that space, I do envy those that can.
I'm so pleased that you have wonderful memories of South London, & of such a happy occasion, & sincerely hope you are still very much in love . Thanks for the heads up for 'the sons of Lewisham'!

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/6/2013 5:01:43 AM   
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I've been into the tarot for a long time, and have a Hanson Roberts deck which I've had forever, a Celestial deck and a Lover's deck, which is just the major arcana.

I'm sure many on this board don't believe in the tarot, b/c they associate it with the old gypsy fortune tellers from the carnival or the psychic connection.

Using the tarot is all about analyzing predictive behavior, which we do on this board all the time. Someone asks for advice, and those of us with past relationship experience can often predict what will happen (ie the guy's been abusive, he's hurt you before, he'll do it again), and what someone should do about it (get the hell out).

That is a simplistic example of what a good tarot reader does. You don't predict the future, you analyze and interpret predictive behavior. How good a reading is will be based on how good the reader is at analyzing and interpreting predictive behavior. The cards are just a tool.

Having said all that, even scientists have had to admit that some people are better at predictive behavior than others. Are they 'psychic?' That's a personal opinion, I believe, 'There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.'

In other words, there are so many things about this issue we don't yet know.

ETA: I got so high on my soap box, I forgot to mention, I don't use reversals, either. An individual card has to be interpreted within the context of the spread.


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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/6/2013 8:37:34 AM   
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CP and those of you who have been reading them for a long time, how did you approach learning the meanings of the cards? Whose "authority" if anyone's did you accept for what each card means?

I have the books open when I lay the cards, look up what the author says that card means, and try to "guess" how that meaning plays out in the location the card falls on the spread. Clumsy.

I use a deck that seems to me very blunt (Haindl deck) which is somewhat helpful, and I use books by an author who seems wise, but I would like to get off the crutch of the books without losing the utility of the cards.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/6/2013 9:04:43 AM   
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That is such a marvelous question. Obviously, it takes practice. Also a deck that feels good to you. I love the Celestial deck, it plays into my knowledge of astrology and mythology. I wish I would have had one when I was learning.

The Haindl deck is beautiful, I *think* I might have a good enough background in native american lore to use it, it all depends on what your strengths are.

I would go to the website suggested, look through all the decks with your best book handy, and pick one that you have a feel for and where the meanings seem obvious. Then do a reading for yourself twice a day, say morning and night. Don't try to memorize meanings, try to feel them.

The book I use for clarification of meanings is still my old Hanson Roberts guidebook that came with the cards. It's called Tarot Unveiled and is by Laura Clarson, if that helps. My use is more....interpretive, I guess I see *myself* as the final authority.

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