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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/6/2013 9:07:35 AM   
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Can anyone read tea leaves? I know it's a fairly unfashionable thing, but I acquired one of these cup of fortune which combines tea-leaves with the old-school playing card readings. It's really quite lovely, and much simpler than traditional tea-leaf reading.



I used to know a woman who was marvelous at reading tea leaves. Even though I love tea, I have no affinity for it. I'm good with palms, though.



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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/6/2013 6:44:44 PM   
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Yay Thanks for starting this!

I've personally always seen reversals as the same as upright except blocked or delayed. I have read for friends for 25 years. I actually am doing a reading for a friend of a friend tomorrow night. She asked how much I charge...I've never charged for a reading ever although friends will usually bring me a gift when they come for one. I've always thought it bad karma to charge for a reading I have also experienced "friends" that ask for reading after reading which can be exhausting. Especially when they are disappointed with the message.

I have taken to starting readings by saying "The card tell you what you NEED to know; not necessarily what you WANT to know."

Any favorite spreads?

I do a 12 month overview at the start of each year. I do Celtic Cross about once a month for myself. I also keep a journal of my personal readings annually and then go back and see what matches up with my daily journals at year's end. THis year I've been trying to do a daily single card pull after my morning meditation but life has been too hectic since the move and I've fallen out of the habit.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/6/2013 7:10:47 PM   
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I have a book I have started on a GRAND spread i would do for someone, maybe once in their life. I found it mentioned in many old books, it's called PLANETARY MANSIONS. All 78 cards are used and the reader has a team of three helpers for the setup and execution. The seeker is present for the layout at sunset and receives initial impressions from the reader in an opening statement. The reader and the helper scribes record the analysis over the night and read portents to the seeker at sunrise. The seeker sleeps or meditates while waiting for the morning word.

This would be done for witches taking third degree oaths; Magicians making mastery; presidents before inauguration, or even a bride or groom before vows.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/6/2013 7:50:42 PM   
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^^^Wow, that sounds like one hell of a reading! If only I would wake up at sunrise to get my summation!

I'm a fan of the Aquarian deck; I love the colors, shapes, imagery. With that deck I have no trouble just 'slipping into' each card in a reading, finding movement, light and shadows, sound, taste, smell and often a physical sensation of heat, vibration, or an unpleasant electrical impulse.

(Here's where I talk about my screen name. Yes, I am a female dominant but that is not why the term mistress is used here. Someone I love affectionately refers to me as their 'Mistress of the Dark Arts' because I'm intuitive. So for some folks here on the boards who just can't bring themselves to use my screen name because they assume it's attached to a puffed-up lifestyle identification, maybe y'all can relax now...or just call me MDA ;-)

Thanks for starting the thread, Gary! Absolutely fascinating so far!

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/6/2013 10:32:34 PM   
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CP and those of you who have been reading them for a long time, how did you approach learning the meanings of the cards? Whose "authority" if anyone's did you accept for what each card means?

I have the books open when I lay the cards, look up what the author says that card means, and try to "guess" how that meaning plays out in the location the card falls on the spread. Clumsy.

I use a deck that seems to me very blunt (Haindl deck) which is somewhat helpful, and I use books by an author who seems wise, but I would like to get off the crutch of the books without losing the utility of the cards.

I haven't actively used cards in a while, but I tok the advice of someone who was an unbelievable reader, he said the key is while you learn the meanings from reading books and such, and take note of the numerology (lower numbers being starts of things, higher numbers the ends normally), in the end the power of the reading is looking at the cards, the positions, and seeing what they tell you inside. You can do mechanical readings, like the tower= breaking illusions, the empress=celestial mother/helper, etc, etc, but in reality it is the image that comes in the mind that matters I feel..and that comes with practice and opening up to yourself.

I still haven't figured out why they work, if they help us bring out what is within our minds, if it taps something else, or maybe it is a combination. I would sit and say it is all wishful thinking, but i have seen too much I can't explain by that. There used to be this guy that did readings in a store that sold all kinds of new agey-wiccan stuff in the east village in NYC, that was probably one of the most incredible people I ever met, and he kind of scared me....because I saw things with his readings that no matter how anyone could look at it, we so dead on.....he did a reading on my wife where he came out and said that she was facing some horrors from the past, darkness, in the form of abuse from a loved one, and it got even more specific, it was sexual abuse...and not long before, in therapy, it came out she had been raped by her father for years....

At one point I had a job offer, and where I worked at the time wanted to talk to me about staying, etc....after the initial round they came up with an offer that was ridiculous, literally an insult, and I couldn't figure out why, when they so earnestly asked me to talk. I went to this guy, and he said what was going on was a power struggle, that one group, representing a kind of old guard, wanted me to stay but they were battling newer forces who were the ones who gave me the bad offer.......and that it hadn't played out fully, that things would happen at the last minute....

I realize this could be very generic, but I later learned (after a last minute offer that i took) that it had played out exactly like that..I hadn't told the guy what my job was, who I worked for, or any details.... and you could tell he was serious, he would never take any extra payment....


I honestly think that putting any kind of value on reversed cards, or if a card falls to the floor by accident, and things like that are a waste of time. I think the value is in how the cards react to the cards around them as others have said, and how the picture builds up when you go from the past to present and so forth on the journey..and often my biggest insights came after the reading was done, and it percolated, then suddenly I can get the 'oh shit,now I know what it is saying'..on the other hand, there are times I want to throw the cards in the fire, because the answer doesn't come:)

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/7/2013 6:04:20 AM   
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The belief that the Tarot merely a tool for fortune telling is probably mainly held by those who know nothing about it, yes a spread offers advice & options to anyone who understands the language.

I've seen the Lovers Tarot, it is only the Major Arcana, but, the authors have certainly taken some liberties with it, haven't they? I've googled up the Hanson Roberts deck, it is very attractive.
I think you've hit the nail on the head regarding the predictive/life experience element in Tarot reading. Most people wanting a reading are generally seeking advice on everyday problems that we all have. They probably have no interest in the more esoteric stuff, like the Golden Dawn or the Quabala, & to be honest, neither do I really . As a reader, I don't offer advice, as I'm not a trained councillor, but I find that the person I'm reading for, more often than not, come to their own conclusions.

As far as analysing predictive behaviour goes, some people are certainly more perceptive than others & have more empathy with their fellow man, others, are as thick as two short planks in that area, not putting them down, but, it's just not their metier.

Your last comment about reversals is exactly my way of thinking. I'm hoping someone's going to come along with an opposing argument .


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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/7/2013 6:18:18 AM   
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Yes, the question of charging for a reading is a tricky one, especially as I'm not a professional reader. Although, I'm a firm believer that people have more respect for things they pay for. I don't charge, but I'm not averse to receiving gifts [:). A lady I gave a reading to a while ago made me some really lovely Tarot bags, I was very touched.
Giving a reading, like playing Chess, especially when you're giving it 100%, is mentally exhausting. I like the Celtic Cross, & that's what a lot of people expect anyway, I like Arthurs Sword & Merlins' Gateway, there's a nice little daily spread I use, that I've mentioned earlier.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/7/2013 6:22:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bigsqueezer

I have a book I have started on a GRAND spread i would do for someone, maybe once in their life. I found it mentioned in many old books, it's called PLANETARY MANSIONS. All 78 cards are used and the reader has a team of three helpers for the setup and execution. The seeker is present for the layout at sunset and receives initial impressions from the reader in an opening statement. The reader and the helper scribes record the analysis over the night and read portents to the seeker at sunrise. The seeker sleeps or meditates while waiting for the morning word.

This would be done for witches taking third degree oaths; Magicians making mastery; presidents before inauguration, or even a bride or groom before vows.
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I would be very interested how you get on, I tend to steer clear of the larger spreads as, quite frankly I don't have the space, a mundane excuse I know. Have you seen the Druidcraft deck? What do you think?

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/7/2013 6:37:42 AM   
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^^^Wow, that sounds like one hell of a reading! If only I would wake up at sunrise to get my summation!

I'm a fan of the Aquarian deck; I love the colors, shapes, imagery. With that deck I have no trouble just 'slipping into' each card in a reading, finding movement, light and shadows, sound, taste, smell and often a physical sensation of heat, vibration, or an unpleasant electrical impulse.

(Here's where I talk about my screen name. Yes, I am a female dominant but that is not why the term mistress is used here. Someone I love affectionately refers to me as their 'Mistress of the Dark Arts' because I'm intuitive. So for some folks here on the boards who just can't bring themselves to use my screen name because they assume it's attached to a puffed-up lifestyle identification, maybe y'all can relax now...or just call me MDA ;-)

Thanks for starting the thread, Gary! Absolutely fascinating so far!

A real pleasure I assure you. I have no problem calling you MistressDarkArt . The wonders of Google! I checked out the Aquarian Tarot, again, it's lovely, I'm in danger of becoming boring, as there are very few Tarot decks I actively dislike, there are two decks that I have a particular affinity for at the moment, though my feelings change through time, & they are The Gilded Tarot, it's a very popular deck, & people may yawn when I mention it, but, it's popular for a reason, it's good . The other one I'm working with at the moment is the Medieval Scapini Tarot deck, the artwork is superb, & has a great feel to it.



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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/7/2013 6:43:53 AM   
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njlauren makes an excellent point, while there is no substitute for a good grounding in Tarot literature, intuition is essential, if you want to get the most out of your gift of reading.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/7/2013 10:46:58 AM   
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Yes, I think saying they've taken some liberties with the Lover's Deck is an understatement. Since it's only the major arcana it's really just a 'fun' deck, though I admit I enjoy the large over-sized cards.

I must say I'm so glad you started this thread, Gary, And I think you're a welcome addition to the CM forums.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/7/2013 11:05:02 AM   
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Some quick thoughts on learning the cards, your point about numbering is spot on.

As a general rule:

Ace = new beginnings
2 = relationships/duality
3 = synthesis/expression
4 = foundation/stability
5 = change/instability
6 = idealism/reflection
7 = unexpected change, insight or perception
8 = control, power, organization
9 = completion/fulfillment

The face cards represent people.

Page = either sex person under 25
knight = man, 25 -40
queen = woman over 25
king = man over 40

Now put this together with basic knowledge about the suits themselves.

Swords = stress, conflict, turmoil, intellectual issues AIR SIGN
Cups = Love, family, friendship, emotional issues WATER SIGN
Pentacles = money, practicality, material possession EARTH SIGN
Wands or Rods = creativity, motivation, intuition FIRE SIGN


Putting all this together, you see how the Ace of Cups equals a new relationship, be it friendship or love.

As for the major arcana, you're just going to have to memorize, but I think they are easier to remember.

Hope this helps.





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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/7/2013 11:43:30 AM   
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>>> In reply to garyFLR re: PLANETARY MANSIONS

I must start by TOTALLY AGREEING with you about avoiding spreads with too many cards. A reader can get lost in having all that fluff on the table and miss the crux of the question or the leverage point that moved things for your seeker.

PLANETARY MANSIONS relies on a presumption of interconnectedness between all the cards. I will start with commenting on the nature of decks - i believe we have the English/Metric big 2 decks. That would be the Rider Waite by Pamela Coleman Smith and Arthur Waite, and the THOTH by Lady Frieda Harris and Alister Crowley. It seems these two decks have a master key of structure that most every other deck imitates. Most literature seems to be based on those two decks. ((There is room for argument. the Mother of Peace deck, The Haindal, these have a hugfe drift from the sets of symbols used by Smith and Harris. ))

The Smith/Waite deck has sets of images that tend to evolve from one to the next. Your Two of wands becomes your Three becomes your four - line them up and you see them fade from one to the next telling a narrative story. your majors evolve and even have a strange additive nature. in number fact 2 + 3 = 5, in Tarot Metaphor does High Priestess + Empress = Hierophant? Look at them and you decide - I can find many ways it does.

This interconnectedness of theme in the suits and majors gives us a tool that is amazingly powerful. When you see the 8 of cups, a man walking away from a wall built of stacked cups, somewhat sloppy, you know he's moving toward something in the Nine which is less sloppy and an ideal and has come from the cups of idea from the seven. +++ When you see a card you can see it's thread of precedent and antecedent.

The layout sets cards representing tendencies about each of the planets and those things denoted by them in astrology. Mercury is speed and quickly moving developments; the mechanical world, aspects of medicine, magicians and training, etc; Mars is conflict and competitions, venus love and relationship; and so on.

Each of the planets, including moon and sun, get seven cards; you end up with 11 sets dealt with one final result card. The analysis comes looking at patterns in the strings of narrative in each suit, looking at how the majors wander in that thread; and of course how numbers split and pile up. one planet with three sixes, for example, will show that six (traveling heroic) energy built there. But three sixes means one six is elsewhere, where is the unbundled six and how does that have meaning.

I have cast this reading 4 times. I find myself looking at the end result card and understanding how that sets theme; looking at which planets hold the card's antecedent and procedant thread cards, see where its set lies (if its a 9, where are the other nines in the spread etc) and then just rattling connections to the scribe. these will include impressions at first, where they come to me as most important.

Then I dismiss the seeker and we proceed in methodically looking at each suit, number, Majors, planets, and making a summary for this. break for a light meal and tea, and return to meditate on the whole set and draw insight.

Plan 10 hours for this. DO THIS FOR SOMEONE THAT MATTERS TO YOU. Plan two days of rest after - not kidding.

OK that is a brutal meatball version. I figure that a book is necessary to show the whole splendor of the patterns used. this requires one to use the Tarot in a different way than just reading a card, you're establishing a set of patterns already in the cards and overlaying that onto an astrological map of time and position. If you get several insights that span HUNDREDS OF YEARS do not be alarmed; that's common.

I recommend you do it at least once in your life - my confidence and competence with cards grew overnight at the first attempt at this reading.

Do it for yourself and be prepared to face your weakness and humility with courage.

i am honored you read this far - hope it was not stuffy

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/7/2013 11:56:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

Some quick thoughts on learning the cards, your point about numbering is spot on.

As a general rule:

Ace = new beginnings
2 = relationships/duality
3 = synthesis/expression
4 = foundation/stability
5 = change/instability
6 = idealism/reflection
7 = unexpected change, insight or perception
8 = control, power, organization
9 = completion/fulfillment

The face cards represent people.

Page = either sex person under 25
knight = man, 25 -40
queen = woman over 25
king = man over 40

Now put this together with basic knowledge about the suits themselves.

Swords = stress, conflict, turmoil, intellectual issues AIR SIGN
Cups = Love, family, friendship, emotional issues WATER SIGN
Pentacles = money, practicality, material possession EARTH SIGN
Wands or Rods = creativity, motivation, intuition FIRE SIGN


Putting all this together, you see how the Ace of Cups equals a new relationship, be it friendship or love.

As for the major arcana, you're just going to have to memorize, but I think they are easier to remember.

Hope this helps.






That's a great flash reference! IF only I had that when I was starting!

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/7/2013 1:02:29 PM   
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I have to say that this is a fascinating thread. My mother used to read the cards until she went blind, and I still have her old pack. Are there any restrictions/rules/chances of creating a psychic vortex to Hell if I try some of this out with them?

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/7/2013 2:26:32 PM   
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I think some of your mother's accumulated wisdom and experience will inform the pack, and this will be a good thing. Unless you stole the pack from her

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/7/2013 2:35:18 PM   
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No, she passed away last November. My sister may have snagged them when she was here for the funeral, though.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/7/2013 2:35:41 PM   
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The face cards represent people.

Page = either sex person under 25
knight = man, 25 -40
queen = woman over 25
king = man over 40

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The Rachel Pollack books I've been using say the face or court cards can represent people, or they can represent characteristics or qualities in the querent herself. What do you think about this? It may be why I find interpreting the court cards so confusing, and I tend to get several in each reading. Kind of makes me want to purge my deck of them!

Edited to add: thanks for the rest of that post CP. It is going to be very useful. I'm enjoying the hell out of this thread too!

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/7/2013 4:08:28 PM   
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That's very kind of you to say so, & if I am a welcome edition, the other people on the message boards keep me on top of my game .

Your overview of the Tarot deck, I thought was great, concise & informative.

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RE: Tarot Forum, Everyone & everybody welcome! - 6/7/2013 4:24:13 PM   
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I totally agree with this assessment but I also find that the court cards can also mean someone that carries those characteristics. So I tend to say when a king pops up "an older male, or one who may seem wiser than their years". Usually the card surrounding it will flesh out who you, as the reader, are referring to. I also find that I can read book after book (and I have had many over the years) but it will always be my own intuition and the surrounding cards that tell the tale. I think card reading is as individual an art as the readings themselves.

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