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Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ?

Yes, and they're welcome.

6% (4)

Yes, and they should be stopped.

6% (4)

No, they always were the scene.

9% (6)

No, they just yap like they are.

9% (6)

I have read the entire post, yet you still don't make sense.

68% (43)

Total Votes : 63

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RE: Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ? - 6/26/2006 9:09:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sab

I haven't a fecking clue what he is on about!

Neither does he.

This world counts six billion philosophers and he is one of them. For some mysterious reasons each of them is convinced that they own the truths and that the truths of all other philosophers are wrong. Go figure...

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RE: Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ? - 6/26/2006 9:13:50 AM

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First, let's distinguish between feminine and masculine.

I know this is a cliche, in the sense that everyone knows all about it. I know you know all about it and are just going to skip this part. In that case, would you kindly go read something else, because nothing I can ever write will make sense if considered through arbitrary fixed ideas.

It is feminine to depend on your peers for validation. It is feminine to discuss things you have no intention of doing. It is feminine to discuss what other people should do. It is feminine to think a correct solution exists for every problem.

It is masculine to depend on yourself for validation. It is masculine to do things you have no intention of discussing. It is masculine to discuss what other people can do. It is masculine to think a correct problem exists to sink any solution.

Bearing in mind that any given person, irrespective of gender, can behave according to either line, and saying "feminine" or "masculine" we are only using a metaphor (btw, it's feminine to imagine by saying x is masculine we are saying males should do x), let's call a group that displays mostly feminine traits and virtualy no masculine traits, the sewing circle.

Now, is the sewing circle taking over the scene ?

Your concepts of masculine and feminine are absolutely fascinating. I'm interested to know what thought processes led you to these definitions?

IMO, these seem to be the very kind of "arbitrary fixed ideas" you are decrying. Unless you have some logical basis for concluding that a need for or indifference to validation are sexualized character traits, you may wish to reconsider your theory.

Then again, the "sewing circle" term seems clearly meant to disparage from on high. Perhaps you wouldn't mind giving some background as to your sense of superiority, so that we Sewers can applaud you, as is likely your due...

We would have to do so knowing that you shun our validation, but I imagine you're quite used to that and will bear up quite well.

Please do elaborate.

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RE: Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ? - 6/26/2006 9:15:37 AM

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I understood what you were saying.
But then, I'm not much into "let's rip apart ideas based on semantics".
People sometimes make things more complicated than they really are.
I think they do it to try to look smart.
Sometimes being smart is keeping it simple.
By the way, you look like a young Tom Hanks.

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RE: Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ? - 6/26/2006 9:31:23 AM

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well oedipus, they are arbitrary ideas alright, but they aren't fixed. if you don't like them, i have others :)

at any rate, i don't see that i sexualize character traits. but since you are fascinated by my writing, you might try freud. actually, the more your read in general, the more your fascination will increase, i'd expect.

now before the hydra starts wailing out of all it's available heads, i do not think freud is a respectable voice in the field of phychology. he is mentioned above only to show mr oedipus that thought processes that lead to sexualization of character traits are not all that rare, and in fact passed for science, downright, and not so long ago. oh, and by the way, guess who brought oedipus into the mainstream discourse ?

again, i clearly said i use the words as metaphores. it is a sickly bothersome habit we people with an actual education have, to refer things by their old names even if people new to this entire thinking business don't know them. feminine was used to denote passive, subservient and dependant for all of five millenia in virtually any respectable culture. i will still use the word for it's traditional meaning, and while i am more than willing to clearly say that it implies nothing about people or their roles, i really really don't care who doesn't get it.

the term sewing circle is certainly meant to disparage from on high. unless you are against any disparaging whatsoever, i don't see the problem.

now, explain to me how is it that you feel you have to take sides, personally, when what's discussed is completely impersonal ?

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RE: Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ? - 6/26/2006 10:01:56 AM

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Great post, OedipusRexIt.

He still hasn't 'a fecking clue what he is on about', though. Nor does he seem to have understood anything you said, considering his response.

It is time to get out the popcorn and a drink and watch the show, I suppose.
Where is Benji?

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RE: Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ? - 6/26/2006 10:12:18 AM

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I think it is quite wonderful when somebody volunteers to be the scapegoat. It is holy.

Now: TIME FOR THE SACRIFICIAL LAMB TO DIE!

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RE: Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ? - 6/26/2006 10:12:26 AM

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Now, is the sewing circle taking over the scene ?

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Now, to answer the question, no, the sewing circle is not taking over the scene. It is and always has been replete with new folks coming in with set ideas and ideals about what they want and what they want done 'to' them. For many, it's a fad ... a few years in, they get their rocks off and they are off to the next fad.. the pretty shiny that catches their eye. For those of us who stick around for a time, we tend towards growth and expansion. The more we experience, the more we want to experience until we find that place which is comfortable for us and we stay there. For those of us on the bottom end of things, we delve deeper into ourselves, our psyche and our submission. For those on the top side, we expand our view, our thinking.. and our demands for submission. We 'expect' more and tolerate less ... or we become as teachers, hoping to help those new on their journey on the path to self-awareness: advocating classes, real time interactions and education, etc.
Simply, the 'scene' is now more open and the light shines brighter and the doors are easier to see so the masses can find their way. The 'thinking' though... that which first calls many in, hasn't changed all that much. Many come in as 'do-me'.. and stay and turn into something different. Many who come in as 'do-me' end up leaving, whether because of fear, boredom or because their curiosity has been satisfied ... just like it's always been.

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RE: Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ? - 6/26/2006 10:18:51 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: zenofeller

First, let's distinguish between feminine and masculine.

I know this is a cliche, in the sense that everyone knows all about it. I know you know all about it and are just going to skip this part. In that case, would you kindly go read something else, because nothing I can ever write will make sense if considered through arbitrary fixed ideas.

It is feminine to depend on your peers for validation. It is feminine to discuss things you have no intention of doing. It is feminine to discuss what other people should do. It is feminine to think a correct solution exists for every problem.

It is masculine to depend on yourself for validation. It is masculine to do things you have no intention of discussing. It is masculine to discuss what other people can do. It is masculine to think a correct problem exists to sink any solution.

Bearing in mind that any given person, irrespective of gender, can behave according to either line, and saying "feminine" or "masculine" we are only using a metaphor (btw, it's feminine to imagine by saying x is masculine we are saying males should do x), let's call a group that displays mostly feminine traits and virtualy no masculine traits, the sewing circle.

Now, is the sewing circle taking over the scene ?

Just so you know, you might have had an easier time getting your actual question answered if you had bothered to seek the actual definitions for the words you intended to use, rather then placing a definition and deciding that you are going to call it by that word.
The definitions of the words “masculine” and “feminine” are as follows

Feminine

associated with women and not with men; "feminine intuition"
of grammatical gender
womanly: befitting or characteristic of a woman especially a mature woman; "womanly virtues of gentleness and compassion"
(music or poetry) ending on an unaccented beat or syllable; "a feminine ending"
a gender that refers chiefly (but not exclusively) to females or to objects classified as female

Masculine

of grammatical gender
associated with men and not with women
a gender that refers chiefly (but not exclusively) to males or to objects classified as male
(music or poetry) ending on an accented beat or syllable; "a masculine cadence"; "the masculine rhyme of `annoy, enjoy'"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

and most importantly;

It is a psychological description of behavior and mentality, which fits the stereotypes about men in contrast to those about women, feminine.

So, regardless of your ideas of what constitutes masculine or feminine, what you’re really asking is whether or not the scene is being taken over by people who depend on their peers for validation, discuss things they have no intention of ever doing, discuss what other people should do, and think a correct solution exists for every problem. Wouldn’t it have been simpler to just say that instead of trying to force definitions on words that are otherwise defined and piss a bunch of people off by doing so and being confusing in general? Next time you want to use a word as the symbol of a definition you made up, try seeing if there is actual a word for that definition already in existence, or make up a word to go with your made up definition. BTW dear, the correct word for someone who acts the way you described as “feminine” is “politician”.

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RE: Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ? - 6/26/2006 10:25:05 AM

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now artimis, i happen to know, and i agree, it would have been simpler. easier. faster. less effort.

by the same token, we have incidentally solved all bdsm problems and needs ever : "Go home, Get naked, Sit on a tack".

wouldn't it be simpler ? no, really ?

im new here, im trying to figure people out. do you mind ?

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RE: Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ? - 6/26/2006 10:29:35 AM

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May I interject quickly? I am not speaking on behalf of Artemis (what a wonderful name, by the way), but I for one do not mind your expressing yourself.

You have made me laugh, and greatly entertained me for the best of 20 minutes: thank you :-)

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RE: Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ? - 6/26/2006 10:32:59 AM

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Haaha I know plenty of men who need others for validation, who talk the shit but can't walk the walk, who say things and discuss things they have no intention of doing.

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First, let's distinguish between feminine and masculine.

It is feminine to depend on your peers for validation. It is feminine to discuss things you have no intention of doing. It is feminine to discuss what other people should do. It is feminine to think a correct solution exists for every problem.

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RE: Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ? - 6/26/2006 10:55:10 AM

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I think "the scene" is being taken over by people that feel an endless need to classify everything ... perhaps the illiterate literati, or unintelligent intelligentsia.

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RE: Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ? - 6/26/2006 11:25:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: zenofeller

now artimis, i happen to know, and i agree, it would have been simpler. easier. faster. less effort.

by the same token, we have incidentally solved all bdsm problems and needs ever : "Go home, Get naked, Sit on a tack".

wouldn't it be simpler ? no, really ?

im new here, im trying to figure people out. do you mind ?

First of all there is a great deal of difference between asking a question in such a way that it can be understood and answered and “Solving all bdsm problems and needs ever”. Pointlessly cluttering up writing with terms that detract from that writing’s purpose is exactly that – pointless. By doing so you will not only confuse people, but you also reduce the likelihood of (in the case of a question) finding an answer. Your pretentious attitude takes away from what you want to know and focuses people’s attention on you -and you’ll find that the majority of the attention you will receive by behaving that way is negative.

Secondly, if you think that all BDSM is about is nudity and pain, you’re in for a big surprise!

Third, if you are truly interested in figuring people here out then I’m sure you see the benefit in asking a question in the simplest and clearest manner possible and not alienating yourself from the very people you profess to be trying to understand.

Oh, and just so you know, by simpler, I meant less confusing by virtue of not being complicated.
Here are some definitions of simpler in case you were unsure:

having few parts; not complex or complicated or involved; "a simple problem"; "simple mechanisms"; "a simple design"; "a simple substance"
elementary: easy and not involved or complicated; "an elementary problem in statistics"; "elementary, my dear Watson"; "a simple game"; "found an uncomplicated solution to the problem"
bare(a): apart from anything else; without additions or modifications; "only the bare facts"; "shocked by the mere idea"; "the simple passage of time was enough"; "the simple truth"

Buy a dictionary.

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RE: Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ? - 6/26/2006 11:35:42 AM

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as a matter of fact, i don't see the benefit of keeping things simple if you want to get to know people.

i just explained to you how it doesn't distract from the purpose, and it's not pointless. your very aristotelian outlook interests me little, actually. stop aggitating yourself about how i should be doing things, i might find a lot more patience to enlighten you.

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RE: Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ? - 6/26/2006 11:37:43 AM

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It's too early in the morning. Thinking makes my head hurt and I haven't had my coffee yet.

I have to agree with ya there MrrPete, give me my coffee wench !!

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RE: Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ? - 6/26/2006 11:49:14 AM

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as a matter of fact, i don't see the benefit of keeping things simple if you want to get to know people.

The benefit is that you don't have 23 out of 35 answering "I have read the entire post, yet you still don't make sense."

How can you possibly believe you are going to get to know people who don't understand a word of what you write? More importantly, they certainly aren't going to get to know you if you speak Greek while everyone else speaks English.

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RE: Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ? - 6/26/2006 11:53:46 AM

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Pretty much my feelings on the subject. He's qualified himself right out of knowing many people (including his target audience) in a time when he should be attempting to qualify himself TO people. Speaking "I was a philosophy major" usually isn't a valid language unless you are speaking to a lot of other philosophy majors.

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RE: Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ? - 6/26/2006 12:01:49 PM

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I think females do tend to bond more as a group. Perfect example: Remember when you go out on a double date. Remember that the two females would always go to the restroom together, as if..it was a very big deal...? LOL...and the guys would say, "Why do they always go into the restroom in groups or pairs?"

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RE: Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ? - 6/26/2006 12:15:29 PM

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zenofeller since your poll does not have My opinion choice on it I am forced to state My answer here.It will be highly speculative and unsubstantiated journalistic fiction or fact depending on which side your needle loops. Which, for all we know at this point, is perfectly a true statement and as real as it gets for both you and Me. And yes I do know that in reality you are one of the sewing circle group because My aunt connie saw uncle verel that talked to cousin bernie who went to eat with brother crow who sits down with your sewing circle and yaps, AND THEY ALL SAID ITS TRUE
And based off of your opinion of whats defined as the sewing circle and since your choices are totally biased in what can be ticked off as a choice, I can but state one answer here without ticking anything off because I do not take part in gender bigoted arbitration that is not unilatteral, UNLESS the one taking such polls first bows and begs befor Me in a manner befitting a Mistress who would invoke such biased opinion out of a peon who can find no better way to express the opinion of a gender bigot then whats presented after having had his fingers all crushed under a blue patent leather stilletto. Can I get an amen OP.
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RE: Is the sewing circle taking over the scene ? - 6/26/2006 12:21:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: zenofeller

as a matter of fact, i don't see the benefit of keeping things simple if you want to get to know people.

i just explained to you how it doesn't distract from the purpose, and it's not pointless. your very aristotelian outlook interests me little, actually. stop aggitating yourself about how i should be doing things, i might find a lot more patience to enlighten you.

You consider my outlook to be that of a follower of Aristotle? What in particular would cause you to say that?

I apologize if I gave you the impression that I was telling you what you should be doing, or how you should be doing it. I was simply pointing out that should you conduct yourself a certain way you will likely have an easier time of finding what you seek (among other things). Also, I did not ask for enlightenment, it was you who requested it with your original question, though that question was a bit lost in the words you surrounded it with. If you are still confused about the benefits of keeping things simple, please refer to BitaTruble's response.

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