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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/28/2013 1:20:30 AM   
BamaD


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Status: offline 		That IS Georges defense......tho....


Except that it isn't.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/28/2013 1:23:42 AM   
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jif post 179: So far, the "trigger" event has not come out. That little fact is what I want to know, and if zimmerman isnt talking then he is hiding something.

Talking to who??? He's on fucking trial for god sake.
And BTW, 'that little fact' is absolutely not the 'little fact' you were seeking in your post 127. Which screamed for a sane reply.

<<If your moving target is now guessing at the flashpoint event . . . . it would be that they had words, and a fight broke out. Not rocket science.>>

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/28/2013 1:25:24 AM   
Owner59


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I think the hole thing sucks.No winners, only losers.


I`ve always said I feel sorry for the big fuck up.I wouldn`t want to see anyone go through this, George or him victims.


Less so now that he`s trying to weasel out of his massive,unfixable fuck up. Shows real hardcore cowardice and irresponsibility.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/28/2013 1:34:08 AM   
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and sometimes in the heat of the moment things like that could be forgotten, I never said the guy was perfect, with everyone's 20/20 hidsight, SURE it was a mistake, but that does not make it murder!


If I dont follow my training and someone dies, I dont get off that easy. I dont have anyone making excuses for me. If a cop doesnt follow his training, and someone dies, does he get off that lightly? If a fireman doesnt follow his training and someone dies, does he get off lightly?

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/28/2013 1:37:47 AM   
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The only proven racial profiling was when Martin referred to Zimmerman as a creepy ass cracker.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JKAid8Z-rA

Ok, i couldnt resist

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/28/2013 1:37:49 AM   
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You see the word SOURCE on my post, it is a funny shade of green or gold or whatever? put your curser over that and click. I know that recognizing an HTML link is typically hard for some people, and evidently you are one of those people.


yes I did miss it, no reason to be an ASS about it!

funny I did a search and found several links to this exact same story all from site to bit sites, none from sites like wash post or ABC, and NONE of them include an anctual link to the police report, which I'd prefer to read myself in its entirety

and I'll also say this, they guy had just been in a fight, maybe a lil dazed from getting his head banded onto concrete, and shot someone, I could see how he might have paraphrased what he thought was said

so wether he was LYING or just mistaken, I can't say, but the transcript of what was actually said is quite clear

I DID read the transcript of the 911 call and he was NOT told to not follow tray, he was told he did not NEED TO follow tray

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/28/2013 1:39:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		As opposed to him needing to follow... yeah.. I can see how you are confused on that.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/28/2013 1:39:49 AM   
Owner59


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Status: offline 		Amateurs are usually turned away from emergencies ,specifically to guard against them making things worse(George) or becoming someone who must also be rescued, putting 1st responders at additional and unnecessary risk.

I recall a thread years ago about a guy getting arrested "for trying to save someone".....


Reading in you learned that rescuers were already there (at a dangerous water hazard) and this guy kept jumping in the water.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/28/2013 1:46:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am confused about the jury at this point, a six member jury? for a criminal trial?

Well five of the women are white, one a minority, so...

Back to my prediction: Zimmerman will be acquitted, which will led to riots in all our cities which will force Obama to bring all troops home from overseas so he can deploy them in the cities to put down the riots, which will allow him to herd people into FEMA death camps, where they will be fed spam, creamed spinach and fried cabbage for every meal. Meanwhile the UN troops secretly stationed in the US in underground bases will mobilize and begin putting socialist thought police in our schools to turn our children into mindless people who believe in helping the needy, providing health care for everyone, and having the government declare all conservative political parties in the US as illegal.

This will lead to a banning of all religion in the US, the division of the country into districts, which will lead directly to Emperor Obama declaring the inauguration of a blood sport based on the book "The Hunger Games."

For the first few years, the "contestants" will be those conservatives who cannot or will not be re educated into following a more liberal way of thinking, eventually, when they run out of conservatives, they will chose "contestants" by drawing. Pardoned illegal aliens made citizens of the US will be exempt from these drawings, which will exempt the next six generations of their descendants.

Working for the New World Order and the Illuminati, Emperor Obama will lead the United Nations military forces on a mission to conquer the world, bringing all nations under the control of a benign and caring liberal government.

Under the new government, Emperor Obama will step down after enough 2nd class citizens become full citizens after serving in Federal service, which includes the first manned interstellar ships so we can find an alien to go to war against.

The above should satisfy the paranoid delusions of the foil hat crowd on these boards.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/28/2013 1:49:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

As opposed to him needing to follow... yeah.. I can see how you are confused on that.


not confused at all, saying you do not need to follow, is a clear as it can be, its thier way of saying, we aren't telling you NOT TO do it and we aren't telling you to do it, the CLASSIC we wash our hands of any responsibility statment

if she tells him DO NOT follow this guy and someone gets killed in a robbery the media would say, this may have been prevented if not got the bad advice of the 911 operator, if she tells him to follow the guy and something goes wrong as it DID, then the media says she told him to do it and look what happened, so they make it as NON COMMITAL as possible, so they are SAFE either way

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/28/2013 1:56:39 AM   
Extravagasm


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Status: offline 		Don't know who to reply to for this but . . . . NEWSFLASH :

This case is not about whether either man was supposed to be out doing what they were doing. Those would be very different charges, wouldn't they? It's about whether the killing was in self-defense AT THE TIME IT HAPPENED. Sorry you've spilled so much ink needlessly.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/28/2013 2:00:46 AM   
Owner59


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Status: offline 		If you start a fight, you don`t get to claim self defense......


Just common sense is all....



You start a fight, anything bad that happens......to yourself...... or the victim, even accidentally....is on you.



Not the guy you chased down.




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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/28/2013 2:07:16 AM   
Owner59


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ORIGINAL: BitYakin


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

As opposed to him needing to follow... yeah.. I can see how you are confused on that.


not confused at all, saying you do not need to follow, is a clear as it can be, its thier way of saying, we aren't telling you NOT TO do it and we aren't telling you to do it, the CLASSIC we wash our hands of any responsibility statment

if she tells him DO NOT follow this guy and someone gets killed in a robbery the media would say, this may have been prevented if not got the bad advice of the 911 operator, if she tells him to follow the guy and something goes wrong as it DID, then the media says she told him to do it and look what happened, so they make it as NON COMMITAL as possible, so they are SAFE either way

Disregarding what the police said....which was said plainly and understood by the killer, doesn`t bode well for someone`s good intentions, especially when there`s a dead kid lying there......

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/28/2013 2:08:48 AM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		You dont need to follow is not the same as.. follow if you want too.

Thats pretty basic.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/28/2013 2:15:05 AM   
Owner59


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Status: offline 		It took partially burning my neighbor`s garage when I was 8( and my subsequent capture and punishment) to finally take my folks advice, not the play with matches.


I was lucky.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/28/2013 2:44:32 AM   
Extravagasm


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Owner post 215: You start a fight, anything bad that happens......to yourself...... or the victim, even accidentally....is on you.

This notion, that you keep pushing, Owner, has no foundation in Common law or US law or common sense.
LOOK when I was just mugged last month. I did not stike first. I was hit twice, before I replied. But if I had killed them, without fear for my life, I would have been on trial. Don't you guys follow the law of the current century?
Maybe you've watched too much Walker Texas Ranger type TV. Those scripts please the crowds by letting the stars take the first punch and then beating the villains senseless with all kinds of martial arts, including opportunistic weapons such as poles, chairs, ropes, etc. Nonsense.

In other words the correct hallmark of 'self-defense' in law is not who 'started it', but reasonable fear for life. The right of self-defense, like all proper rights is one that all parties hold. Not just one side. Except against the police, but that is a more complex matter. Even if GZ had been violating a house arrest by being outside, or had been an escaped prisoner, he would not have forfeited his right to self-defense against his peers.

< Message edited by Extravagasm -- 6/28/2013 3:04:26 AM >

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/28/2013 2:58:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Extravagasm

quote:

Owner post 215: You start a fight, anything bad that happens......to yourself...... or the victim, even accidentally....is on you.

This notion, that you keep pushing, Owner, has no foundation in Common law or US law or common sense.

Actually it does, part of the legal basis for self defense is that you were not the aggressor. For instance in Florida
http://lawofselfdefense.com/statute/fl-776-041%E2%80%83use-of-force-by-aggressor-the-justification-described-in-the-preceding-sections-of-this-chapter-is-not-available-to-a-person-who/

Zimmerman has to argue that either his behavior doesn't rise to the legal standard of being the aggressor or that Martin was so violent that he falls under 2(a).

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/28/2013 3:16:48 AM   
Extravagasm


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DomKen post223: Zimmerman has to argue that either his behavior doesn't rise to the legal standard of being aggressor or that Martin was so violent that he falls under 2(a).

Good. I feel I've accomplished something. Now let us all conform to that binary standard in our further discussions of the facts. GZ likely meets both of those tests of innocence, though he only needs to meet one in Florida.
And don't intentionally confuse the force aggressor, with party who 'starts things' whatever that means to readers. For example a Florida woman doesn't forfeit self-defense when she jealously slaps and kicks a man outside a bar in a non-domestic relations incident.
. . . Or does she?


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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/28/2013 3:51:14 AM   
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f Zimmerman argues self defense he loses on the facts so he best not try it.


All the forensics back up his case, which is simple self-defense.
That is the only defense he is making, the only one that is applicable, and the only one he needs.
It seems everyone else but you realized months ago that SYG played no part in the legal niceties.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/28/2013 4:07:56 AM   
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Why was Zimmerman not drenched in Martin's blood after having shot him in the chest while Martin was on top of him?


I think that's an excellent question.
Do I remember something about the police letting GZ go to his house to clean up before they took him to the station? If so, that's the answer. If not, he needs some help from an expert witness or the M.E.

That, or his version of events may not hold up. (Unlike some, I'm trying to keep an open mind).

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